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honest thoughts on the everlux
Nov 14, 2024, 07:42:27
We're putting a time-out on the overall topic of Everlux dislike/disappointment, which includes threads discussing the dislike or group of players who dislike the breed. Please see my post in the primary thread for Everlux disappointment. Thank you.
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 14, 2024, 07:38:21
aludesh wrote on 2024-11-14 06:25:49:
I'm just curious to see if staff will make any changes to it now if this many people dislike it. is it too late to go back and edit/ change a breed after its already been released? if they do, then I wonder if that might open the door to people asking for changes to the rest of the breeds as well, which I'd imagine would quickly become overwhelming


At this stage of the game's life and with the number of breeds and genes we have, line art is set once a dragon is released.


BassetBites wrote on 2024-11-14 06:59:10:
I really hope this whole debacle doesn't dissuade staff from releasing more mold-breaking, weird ancients in the future. Many members in the community have been asking for more unique dragons for a while, and we finally get just that. Some of us are thrilled. Some of us aren't. It is what it is, but I LIKE the direction we're going in.


Every breed release has its detractors; this is normal and expected behavior, and why we remind folks to keep their feedback constructive. I've mentioned it before, but if you've ever worked retail, you can reasonably expect to please upwards of 90% of your customers 90% of the time, but never 100% of your customers 100% of the time. It's impossible, because no one group, no one community of people, is a monolith. Everyone will have their own views and experiences. This is always taken into consideration, as well as actual player activity and gameplay on our site itself.


So, housekeeping. Everlux released two days ago, and players have been able to have and share their initial reactions. We're going to go ahead and lock this thread for now.

This is not to say players who dislike Everlux can't share their feedback with us. Given the discourse the topic currently attracts on both sides, we do ask that you send that feedback directly to us through Contact Us.

I will also be locking the other threads touching on this particular area of Everlux feedback as some are already running up on the line of inflammatory discourse or callouts.

Thank you.

Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 13, 2024, 15:21:33
Almedha wrote on 2024-11-13 15:19:57:
To put it in a way that might eliminate the confusion, these are creatures that did not pop randomly into existence and pledge their allegiance to whichever deity suited their personalities best. These are creatures that the Lightweaver designed and crafted according to what she likes or wants and what her Flight needs. Why did she make dragons that looked this way?

@Almedha, those are lore story questions!
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 13, 2024, 15:16:36
xobrynnx wrote on 2024-11-13 14:37:50:
it did not, but thanks. i wanted an answer as to why they deviated so far from other dragons of the flight, not the lore.

Hi @xobrynnx, in what way?
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 13, 2024, 15:04:26
As a heads up to anyone in this thread who has shared their experience or journey with their body, there's a very good chance that this thread will ultimately be locked for the long term. Please take this time to remove any information you don't want frozen in the thread.
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 13, 2024, 15:01:44
@Contaminate, @Anky, possible gene errors need to be submitted to the Everlux Breed Release Gene Errors thread in the Bug Reports forum so that Undel and the art team can review them and determine if there is an issue. Posting about them here will not get the information in front of the right people. Thank you.
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 13, 2024, 14:34:55
xobrynnx wrote on 2024-11-13 13:55:13:
Aequorin wrote on 2024-11-13 13:48:58:
xobrynnx wrote on 2024-11-13 13:45:43:
i have a genuine question, though. why has every ancient followed their flights aesthetics and matched the dragons of their element except this one? /nbr

Hello @/xobrynnx, how do you mean?

every other ancient has had similar traits or looks to the other dragons native to their flight; why does this one get a pass to look so different? a lot of us were expecting something with ties to angels or luminax, as that was the standard set by the site, as seen from all the light fest items and dragons. it doesn't make any sense to me. /nbr

i'll quote my previous post here:
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a dragon matching its flight aesthetic is crucial, and all past ancients have done so. undertides have fins and specifically ocean oriented terts, velispuns have long manes and bug wings that match the shadowy forest witch/fairy aesthetic, gaolers are stocky with lots of fur which makes sense for large, guardians of a frozen prison, aethers are curious, semi-eldritch bug eyed explorers which again, fits with the space aesthetic, abberations are multi-headed with sharp claws and fangs: i could go on. the concept of the flight is knowledge, yes, but it feels like there was no thought to the consistency of the flight.


Angels as the Light aesthetic or concept is fanon or head canon, not official canon.

Fanon/headcanons are valid for your own personal gameplay, but not what we base our development decisions on. We are also not responsible for player fanon or head canon.

Officially, Light Flight is about knowledge, scholarship, philosophy—not angels or seraphim. The Light dragons of the Sunbeam Ruins are philosophers. They prefer to be unbiased and logical, revealing the nature of the world as do the rays of the sun. Of all the dragons, Light dragons are the most scholarly, holding the pursuit of truth as the highest virtue a dragon might aspire to. Scrolls and relics are their favored treasures.

I should note here that many of your examples require the support of the accompanying lore articles and stories. Granted, Dusthide and Everlux currently don't have stories—and we plan on addressing that in the future—but even with just the breed articles, we can see where Everlux fit in.

They are bookwyrms. They are dedicated archivists. They live and move with grace, mindfulness, and elegance. I encourage you to read the Everlux encyclopedia entry for more information on them at your earliest convenience:


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Social
Many Everlux enjoy writing one another notes or speaking face-to-face, but they are also adept at communicating at a distance. They are able to convey complex ideas to any others in line of sight by using dextrous, nuanced movements of their antennae, legs, and wings.

Recording and sharing knowledge is a cornerstone of Everlux society and they value the thrill of sharing information of all types! While Everlux dragons meticulously catalog historical records and indexes of verifiable facts, they place just as much importance on sharing personal experiences, opinions, passions, and idle curiosities.

As a result of this drive to satiate the mind and connect with past, present, and future loved ones, each Everlux makes a ritual of chronicling their daily lives. While the primary archive in Sunbeam Ruins was filled with historical facts, records, and other vital teachings, an overwhelming majority of it was filled with tomes from all the Everlux in times gone by. There is no hard and fast rule about how much or how often one should record their day-to-day, but all seek to write down what they find to be notable. Thus, an Everlux dragon's life is often split into literal "chapters". It's up to the individual to determine when they have moved on to a new segment of their life; many do so at similar milestones (births and deaths, unions, new studies, etc), but anyone can deem a moment to be the "right" time to close one chapter and open another.

These transitions are often marked by a celebration, even if the change that prompted it was grim or difficult in nature. Everlux take joy and comfort in sharing all parts of life with their clan, especially during dark times. Many of these celebrations take the form of a symposium, where Everlux gather to connect, feast, and engage in prompted discussions or friendly debates. Until recently, most of these events have remained within Everlux populations alone—not out of any desire for exclusion, but simply because the Everlux are notable homebodies and did not often travel until Luminax's destructive path threatened their homes and archives.


Lairs
While Everlux lairs resemble great woven cocoons, they build their structures as open-air as possible for the sake of letting in light. Families and individuals reside in their own pockets, which are draped with silk that can pull closed for undisturbed resting, reading, or weaving. These draperies are often decorated with dyes or trinkets and can just as easily be drawn open for communicating via the flutter of wings and twist of antennae. Personal dwellings contain silk hammocks for sleeping, lounging, and crafting.

Most lairs also have communal areas for the sake of keeping records and holding symposiums. Using their ability to create wooden structures, many Everlux build impressive shelves and cases for their collections, which are often secured or even hung from the ceiling with sturdy weaves of silk. These areas are decorated with clan members' creations, ranging to anything from delicately-folded paper art to intricately-crafted blankets to knitted toys for hatchlings.


I hope this helps!

(@xobrynnx)
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 13, 2024, 13:48:58
xobrynnx wrote on 2024-11-13 13:45:43:
Aequorin wrote on 2024-11-13 13:01:54:
@/NAKoo, @/MonsoonTheHybrid, I have already addressed the issue of flight concept and lore. Thank you.
i have a genuine question, though. why has every ancient followed their flights aesthetics and matched the dragons of their element except this one? /nbr

Hello @xobrynnx, how do you mean?
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 13, 2024, 13:28:51
@pandakitty1, I had already removed those posts. Do not bring up posts from before the lock.
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 13, 2024, 13:25:21
Folks, commenting on yesterday's vitriol is not constructive. Your fellow players who dislike the breed are staying focused on constructive feedback and they deserve a space to share that feedback. Thank you.


(@wonderswan)
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 13, 2024, 13:17:27
Hello @Contaminate, please be sure to report any possible gene errors on Everlux to the Everlux Breed Release Gene Errors thread for review, thank you.
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 13, 2024, 13:15:18
@LadyRaptor, do not bring up posts from prior to the lock, please and thank you.
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 13, 2024, 13:01:54
@NAKoo, @MonsoonTheHybrid, I have already addressed the issue of flight concept and lore. Thank you.
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 13, 2024, 12:59:16
Aequorin wrote on 2024-11-13 12:58:16:
@/Thulcandran, do not bring up posts from prior to the lock, please.

@McAlli, the same for you, please.
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 13, 2024, 12:58:16
@Thulcandran, do not bring up posts from prior to the lock, please.
Encyclopedia error?
Nov 13, 2024, 12:29:25
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Undel
The male has lemon stained. :)
Status Update
Nov 13, 2024, 12:28:38
Site Status | By Undel
Tertiary Everlux Gene: Rift had is rarity changed from limited to uncommon because it's a treasure gene.
Everlux Breed Release Gene Errors
Nov 13, 2024, 12:20:26
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Undel
@Gene Error Updates

The following fixes went in yesterday, and the error thread has been updated.
  • Primary: Lionfish (Everlux M) - The stripes on the M pose were slightly transparent. This has been corrected.
  • Tertiary: Eclipse - This gene was briefly unavailable for a correction.
  • Tertiary: Space (Everlux H) - The gene was offset. It should now line up with the template again.
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 13, 2024, 11:30:05
Lallyhop wrote on 2024-11-13 11:11:17:
This little edit really does a lot to make them look better! It's such a small tweak that I really hope staff will consider it, though I know that would mean redrawing a lot of genes so it would still be difficult.

We understand players like to create their own mockups redesigning a breed to their own vision, but if the purpose of the feedback is to pressure us into changing the lineart of a released breed, that will not happen.

At this stage of the game's life and with the number of breeds and genes involved, the line art and design of a dragon is set once released. Player feedback about newly released dragons is documented for review for future dragon breed designs. (@Lallyhop)


@Commander, your rant is off-topic and inflammatory. Please remove it from your post.
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 13, 2024, 10:04:48
Unlocking this thread, so that players who would like to share their constructive feedback as to why they are unhappy with or dislike the Everlux release can do so.

For reference, constructive feedback includes both positive and negative feedback; even if it is only negative feedback, it should be designed and worded to build up and improve the focus of the feedback, not tear it down.


A few notes to keep in mind before posting:

First, Light Flight is about knowledge and scholarship, not angels or seraphim. The Light dragons of the Sunbeam Ruins are philosophers. They prefer to be unbiased and logical, revealing the nature of the world as do the rays of the sun. Of all the dragons, Light dragons are the most scholarly, holding the pursuit of truth as the highest virtue a dragon might aspire to. Scrolls and relics are their favored treasures.

We understand players can and do have their own headcanons, and that's fine as long as everyone remembers that our design decisions are based on our vision and world-building of our game.

Second, please be mindful of your words and refrain from, avoid leaning into the idea of a Flight Rising style or version of body determinism.

Third, it's okay if you don't like bugs and don't like the Everlux as a result. That's valid. It's not okay to be gruesome or graphic about your dislike.

Fourth, be specific about why the design or line art isn't doing anything for you. Discrimination against larger bodies is deeply ingrained in Western cultures. People can, and often do, engage in that bias without ever realizing they're doing it. People who've experienced that discrimination can quickly pick up on the code and language.

If you don't like the Everlux because it's a fat dragon...well, it's okay to keep that one to yourself. It's not constructive or helpful.

Finally, if you like the Everlux, you're not required to reply to this thread.


We don't expect every release to be a hit with 100% of our community. We do expect feedback to be constructive and for players to be respectful of each other when in our forums.

Thank you.
The most divisive Ancient so far?
Nov 13, 2024, 06:54:01
This thread is now locked, we want players to take a break from rehashing this topic and certain complaints. Thank you.
Summarizing every Everlux complaint
Nov 13, 2024, 06:52:35
Yesterday's thread was locked for a reason, and it's disappointing to see threads popped up overnight to rehash the topic we wanted people to take a break from. This thread is now locked. Thank you.
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 12, 2024, 16:05:07
FlowerOfFire wrote on 2024-11-12 15:56:12:
@neocardinia Of course. Im just saying that some Light members voiced their opinion that the new breed doesnt feel Light adjacent, and some non-Light members jump to lecture them about what Light flight concept is. It just feels patronizing in rude way


Hi @FlowerOfFire, we think they meet the concept of Light Flight, because the Flight concepts, the elemental forces of Sornieth, are more than just the shape of the body.


And now it's time for a time-out. This thread is moving fast and is once again starting on a downward spiral. Everyone take a break, take a breather, and we can revisit this thread and the overall topic in the morning.
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 12, 2024, 15:07:31
@Orcalot, @McAlli, that's enough.
Anyone else disappointed in the Everlux?
Nov 12, 2024, 15:00:45
We want to reaffirm people are absolutely allowed to dislike a content update, a dragon design, etc, and express that dislike. Thank you to everyone who's taken the time to share their disappointment or dislike with the new ancient constructively today.

With that said, there are some valid concerns that folks may be leaning on the use of the descriptor "not elegant" to describe their dislike, when it's really being used as a euphemism for "is fat" — whether they realize they're doing it or not. If that is how someone is using it, that needs to stop, immediately. Being elegant is more than simply being lithe or dainty in body. The same goes for focus on health concerns — these are 2D fantasy insect-inspired dragons in a magical setting.

Thank you.
alot of dragons
Nov 12, 2024, 14:35:12
I literally gasped. I love it.
Ancient Breeds: Everlux Dragons
Nov 12, 2024, 13:41:55
Yokudl wrote on 2024-11-12 13:02:30:
@Aequorin wrote:
Hi there Yokudl, we understand not every release is going to be liked by everyone, but I'm not sure what you mean by "disgusting"? Could you please clarify?
They are insect-looking. Insects are disgusting.
As if a whole new insect-themed coliseum venue wasn't enough...

Hello @Yokudl, thank you for clarifying!
Post your grievances about the new one
Nov 12, 2024, 12:38:40
Hello @WyverniClouds! There's an active thread on the topic of Everlux and disappointment here. Thank you!
Ancient Breeds: Everlux Dragons
Nov 12, 2024, 12:27:12
Yokudl wrote on 2024-11-12 12:24:31:
Yet another severely disappointing ancient breed... Unlike the other ones, however, this one also looks disgusting.


Hi there @Yokudl, we understand not every release is going to be liked by everyone, but I'm not sure what you mean by "disgusting"? Could you please clarify?
Ancient Breeds: Everlux Dragons
Nov 12, 2024, 10:39:50
Forum Post | Announcements & News | By Romion
0hzarks wrote on 2024-11-12 10:24:30:
psst staff, small typos in the encyclopedia page

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edit: one more

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Leave it to a bug-dragon release to have text bugs slip through... Should be fixed now!
Ancient Breeds: Everlux Dragons
Nov 12, 2024, 10:30:41
peppermints wrote on 2024-11-12 10:29:55:
Kind of disappointing for the light ancient imo

look at them a couple more times