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Stuff The Waystone Says
Apr 01, 2020, 22:23:29
The AI has started commenting occasionally on select baked goods. I don't know where it gets these ideas...
On mobile there is no switch bottom
Apr 01, 2020, 07:06:42
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Kaepora
Thanks for the report @DarkYnx do you see it on mobile now?
Which Waystone PRO Edition
Apr 01, 2020, 06:54:08
EmpyreaSol wrote on 2020-04-01 06:51:23:
uh staff


Status Update
Apr 01, 2020, 06:43:01
Site Status | By Aequorin
The Which Waystone PRO Platinum Edition is now live and available for our mobile players!
Which Waystone PRO Edition
Apr 01, 2020, 06:41:17
reshiram5875 wrote on 2020-04-01 06:34:00:
I'm on mobile and the waystone is showing up for me
(This sort of Reminds me of that paperclip ai that Microsoft had that just sat on your screen and gave useless info)

Waystone PRO platinum edition is now live and supports mobile screens.
Which Waystone PRO Edition
Apr 01, 2020, 06:23:23
iiSwizzle wrote on 2020-04-01 06:01:21:
also what about mobile players we don’t got which waystone on the side of our screens

Unfortunately, the Which Waystone has been difficult to implement on mobile from the start (due to the vast complexity of devices and screen sizes) and we're sorry this negatively impacts the experience for some of you.

That being said, we’re actively working on resolving in a temporary way for mobile. We're not certain it will work, given the reason above, but we'll do our best! We want everyone to experience the trial run of the Which Waystone PRO!

Which Waystone PRO Edition
Apr 01, 2020, 05:59:40

As we race ever toward the technological singularity, we derive more and more support from artificial intelligence in how we work, live, and play. Stormlight Workshop is proud to introduce its own foray into the burgeoning world of AI with the Which Waystone PRO Edition.

Which Waystone PRO Edition

The team here at Flight Rising is always on the lookout for ways to implement new technologies into our game, especially if we feel they can positively augment the player experience.

Today, we're proud to unveil the first of hopefully many companion products: the Which Waystone PRO Edition.


Leveraging AI

Artifical intelligence—let's face it—is going to rule the world some day. So rather than be hesitant, let's embrace that cold metallic future with open arms!

Which Waystone PRO Edition analyzes the combined playstyles of thousands of Flight Rising players. Combining repeating habits with a proprietary system we're calling Pixel Dragon Personalities, the program will generate quirky, relevant responses to even further guide players in effective ways to play the game.

And don't worry, we've gone to painstaking lengths to verify that at no point will this program ever achieve sentience. For once, mistakes weren't made, and we couldn't be more proud of the result!

Free 24-Hour Trial!

As a lucky member of the Flight Rising community, you have been selected to take part in a free 24-Hour trial of this awesome new program. Upon logging in and visiting pages across the website, you'll find that your original Which Waystone has already been upgraded and will begin interacting with you immediately.

The free trial will end on April 2nd at 06:00 server time, at which time the Which Waystone will revert to the Basic Edition, and you'll need to purchase the PRO Edition at full cost. We'll provide more details on that as long as our digital overlords allow us to.

(NOTE: And don't worry, if you'd rather not participate in the trial, you can always toggle the Which Waystone itself to OFF by visiting the page itself and flipping the switch in the top right corner.)

Marva's Back!

It wouldn't be early April without the illustrious Marva leaving some goodies around Sornieth.

As of this post, all Flight Rising players can visit Galore's Glorious Gifts and pick up a mysterious item. Galore will stop offering this gift on Friday, April 3rd @ 06:00 server time, at which point its true purpose will be revealed, so feel free to investigate its contents in the mean time!

(NOTE: Similar to previous years, this item contains an item that likewise contains the previous item, and will loop infinitely until the date and time listed in the previous paragraph. After that point, whatever item you have in your Hoard will transform its contents into something new.)

Mar 31, 2020, 18:57:43 March over already...?

Status Update
Mar 30, 2020, 15:45:57
Site Status | By Aequorin
Dragon Share Theme Week: Middling Merchants!
400 bad request error?
Mar 30, 2020, 12:27:12
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron
clockworkMoose wrote on 2020-03-30 10:23:33:
Ghostery was one of my extensions, although I had turned it off once the 400 errors started, so that's SOMEWHAT concerning that it might have still been causing issues anyways? What's the point of an off button??

I did enable ghostery and then disable the human web checkbox. And then ended up disabling ghostery again because it was messing with pinterest's search bar. But I haven't had any 400 errors since the 27th. Saying that though I'm probably inviting issues now. >x<

I'm going to enable the rest of my extensions again and see if the 400s start popping up again to see if there are any other culprits.

@clockworkMoose Just for information's sake: turning the extension off as a whole from the extensions screen should stop this problem from reoccurring continuously (edit: As should turning off the "Share Human Web data" checkbox based on our limited testing), but we have not verified that pausing Ghostery using its own UI or trusting a site will stop it. Additionally, the cookie "gunk" that builds up during Ghostery use will persist after you turn it off and could leave you running dangerously close to getting a 400 later if cookies are not cleared, although if you clear it once after turning off Ghostery it should be gone for good (assuming Ghostery is the only cause.)

We are not 100% certain there are no other extensions that cause this problem, but we are certain that Ghostery can cause it, because we have been able to reproduce it locally. If you find any other extensions that correlate with this issue, please let us know.

Thank you!
400 bad request error?
Mar 30, 2020, 09:38:37
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron
Hello @Vark

Sorry you are still having trouble. I am going to need to ask you to help us out with providing some info next time this happens. Can you please do the following when you get a 400 next:
  1. Take a screenshot of what the error page looks like
  2. Note down the time and date including your local time zone
  3. Save a copy of the problematic request to a file
    1. Open the developer tools using F12
    2. Navigate to the Network tab
    3. Try to load another Flight Rising page or refresh the current page. You should get another 400. It should show up in the tab in red as long as "Filter" is empty and either "Doc" or "All" are selected to the right of "Filter".
    4. Right click the request which is showing in red and choose "Copy -> Request Headers," and paste it into a file. (See screenshots below.)
    5. Do not post the request headers into this thread. They contain private session information that should not be posted publicly. You will be sending them via Contact Us in a later step.
    6. (These instructions are for Chrome but I suspect they are similar in Brave.)
  4. Record what IP you are visiting Flight Rising from at that moment using a site like or
  5. Send all the above information to us in a Contact Us ticket.
    • Please set the subject line as "Vark 400 errors" or similar so we can find it rapidly.
    • Attach the screenshot and request header file as attachments.
    • The direct link to the current Contact Us form is which should work even if you are getting 400s on Flight Rising.

Screenshots for how to copy the request headers to clipboard:


You may need to screenshot or otherwise save this information, as this thread will not be available when you are getting 400s on Flight Rising.

I apologize for the involved steps. We had to add specialized logging to diagnose this problem, but it works by IP address due to the nature of this error. Due to VPN usage we cannot anticipate what IP address you will have an error on.
400 bad request error?
Mar 29, 2020, 17:31:56
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron
Glad to hear it is working now!
400 bad request error?
Mar 29, 2020, 13:43:14
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron
Rebekah wrote on 2020-03-29 10:29:33:
I'm really bummed to be the person who comes in to say this, but I'm unable to get this to work.

I've disabled the Sharing Human Web Data option on Ghostery, visited the cookie-test site, and cleared all my cookies for Flight Rising, and I still get a 400 Bad request when I try to visit Flight Rising on Chrome (at least, in a regular window, and not in incognito).

@Rebekah Did you get any successful page loads at all after clearing cookies, or have you been stuck on getting 400s both before & after this?

Edit: The reason I ask is that it sounds like it's possible that there are cookies that were still not cleared. We have primarily seen cookies from be the cause, which will show up under a different bucket than in Chrome's settings, so you may have to clear them separately. But it is possible although less likely that there are too-large third party cookies being sent too. The most thorough option would be to clear ALL cookies entirely (making sure to choose "For All Time" in the dialog so you don't just clear recently set ones), but I recognize that can be an interruption as it logs you out from other sites. If it does not resolve after a full cache + cookie clear then it is likely something else and we would have to get some more information about the request being sent by your browser.
Status Update
Mar 29, 2020, 07:10:30
Site Status | By Mutron
Players experiencing unexpected logouts and/or 400 errors who are using Ghostery on a Chrome/Chromium-based browser are recommended to try the workaround described in this thread.
400 bad request error?
Mar 29, 2020, 07:03:22
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron
Hello all. We believe we have a workaround for those of you who are having logouts and/or 400 errors and have Ghostery installed in a Chromium based browser.
  1. Click the Ghostery icon in the top right area of your browser.
  2. Click the "..." button in the top right of the Ghostery popup window.
  3. Choose "Settings"
  4. Select "Opt In / Out" in the left hand menu
  5. Uncheck the box labeled "Sharing Human Web Data"
  6. Use the "Clear Excess Auxiliary Cookies" button at to clear out any excess cookies that may have been left over.
  7. If you cannot visit the above page due to a 400 error, you will have to clear all cookies for from Chrome's settings.


With these steps, I was able to leave Ghostery on overnight without getting a logout or a 400, whereas after checking that box, they started showing up in under an hour.

Please note that this may explain why "pausing" Ghostery or "trusting" Flight Rising would still result in this issue -- it is very possible that the background activity Ghostery was doing would still run in those cases.

Thank you @Hawkfeather for bringing Ghostery to our attention as a likely cause, and of course thanks to all of you for your patience and helpful responses!
400 bad request error?
Mar 28, 2020, 20:52:06
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron
brevityis wrote on 2020-03-28 20:21:22:

This explains a lot! I came back as I was just about to say that I noticed it took far longer for me to get logged out/400'ed out when I had Ghostery off, but leaving it off long-term is a bit of a struggle. I wonder if it would help if I submitted a bug report to them directly?

@brevityis We are currently experimenting with some of the Ghostery settings -- it might be possible to avoid this problem by tweaking them. It will take a bit to test, we will let you know afterward.
400 bad request error?
Mar 28, 2020, 20:14:13
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron
Hello all! I have some (sort of) good news.

With all the additional logging we have added, we have been able to narrow down the majority of the problems we are seeing to requests originating from Google Chrome (or Chromium) extensions.

While we can't tell what extension they are coming from from our server logs, we were able to reproduce the random logouts and 400 issues with Ghostery. As far as we can tell, this is not a problem with Chrome as a whole, but actually specific extensions that:
  1. Make requests to Flight Rising from a background context, without sending cookies
  2. Then use the responses to modify the cookies transmitted to Flight Rising.
So while we know Ghostery will cause problems, it is possible that other extensions have similar issues.

The downside is that because this is a result of extensions behaving incorrectly, this is not an easy thing to fix. It may be possible to reduce the 400 errors, but without major effort, it would still be possible for Ghostery to cause 400s if left to its own devices long enough. We may have to actually rely on Ghostery to fix their extension. We are looking at our options now.

Some notes about what we see Ghostery doing: it appears to be kicking off requests to other pages on Flight Rising, not linked from or related to the current page, apparently while the browser is idle. I am not sure why it is doing this, or how it is choosing the pages to request.
Community Update, March 2020
Mar 28, 2020, 13:04:45
Lahabrea wrote on 2020-03-28 12:30:09:
I think it's a bit odd that Ancient Breed #3 should follow the conventional dragon configuration because it's a gem breed. If anything, a gem breed should break these conventions.

It does seem that way, doesn't it? But here's the thing—if we did that, we'd be placing a long requested and much desired breed design behind premium currency.

Banescale are the start of our 1 head/2 wing/4 limb convention breaking breeds. More are coming and they'll also be accessible outside of the gem marketplace.

Community Update, March 2020
Mar 28, 2020, 12:15:20
ChasingFeathers wrote on 2020-03-28 12:10:25:
I'd like to know if you're going to ban the names Coronavirus and COVID-19 or not???

@ChasingFeathers, they already are. If you've come across any dragons with these names, they were named before the names were banned. Please report them to our Support team through Contact Us. When you do, please include links to the dragons you're reporting.
Community Update, March 2020
Mar 28, 2020, 11:38:16
Chrisondra wrote on 2020-03-28 11:21:59:
I don't suppose you could confirm that the Ancient Breed will *not* be Nature.

It would be pretty rough for Nature to only have a cycling gem breed and a gem ancient breed.

Good question! Because Ancient Breed #3 is a gem breed, its elemental alignment will not be Nature. @Chrisondra
Community Update, March 2020
Mar 28, 2020, 11:12:19
Glacecakes wrote on 2020-03-28 11:08:48:

Does it?

Community Update, March 2020
Mar 28, 2020, 10:57:17
As always, please remember to stay on topic! If you have any (non-rule/policy) suggestions, be sure to share them with us in the Suggestions Forum!
Community Update, March 2020
Mar 28, 2020, 10:55:54

It's time for a long overdue Community Update! Today we've got an update for you on our team's status, Ask the Team answers, FRFanArt spotlights, and more!

NOTE: Due to the length of this update we will not be recapping elemental festivals. When the 2019-2020 elemental holiday year ends with Greenskeeper Gathering we will do a full recap of all the player created festival events!

Team Update

We want to give you a brief update on Flight Rising’s development status during the covid-19 outbreak here in the States.

Development continues as planned. We did not have to make adjustments to work remotely as we have been doing so from the start. Our team members are taking every precaution to remain safe and healthy. They are following the recommendations and orders from the CDC and their local governments.

We will update you if something happens that could significantly delay game development. We hope that won’t happen but we're discussing and preparing for that possibility. We truly wish you and your loved ones make it through this global crisis safely and in good health.

Development Stream

Earlier this month we introduced the Development Stream hosted on our official YouTube channel. As the reality of our changed world settled in, we found we wanted to bring some positivity and fun to everyone, ourselves included.

How the stream progresses over time, we don’t know yet. There are multiple possibilities and directions we could take it in. You’ll just have to stay tuned (and if you’re on YouTube, subscribe) to find out!

What you can expect:
  • Streams will not run on a set schedule, to allow our team flexibility.
  • Streams will be announced on all our social media channels, as well as in the Site Status box on the front page.
  • They will generally last around an hour or two.
  • If you miss a stream, that’s okay—you’ll be able to watch the streams on our channel after they’ve concluded!
  • Sometimes work will be recorded in advance and uploaded to YouTube instead of live-streamed. See: flexibility
  • Comments, questions, and feedback about the stream can be posted in the discussion thread found here in Flight Rising Discussion.

Chat and comments on YouTube are currently and will remain disabled for now. We know chat helps viewers interact with the streamer, but it's important to us that our team members have flexibility on when they stream. The goal is to share with you insight on our development process. Disabling chat and comments allows us to focus on that goal, and not moderation.

Ancient Breed #3

We kicked off our Development Streams with the concept work for our next ancient breed! We know many of you want ancient breeds that don’t follow the four limbs, two legs, one head convention. We know that because we told you ancient breeds would break convention. Those dragons are coming, but not for Ancient Breed #3. As this ancient breed will be available in the gem marketplace it will follow a more conventional limb/head configuration. To those of you who want non-conventional ancient breeds—don’t worry, they’re on their way.

Gene scrolls for the breed will still follow the same rules as previous ancient breeds: parallel genes will match the acquisition methods of their modern gene equivalents, and unique genes will be offered via a variety of methods (treasure, gems, gameplay), etc.

The elemental alignment for this breed has not been determined yet. We can tell you that it will be an element that only has one (1) dragon breed associated with it as of the time of this Community Update.

This ancient breed does not have a release date but it will release in 2020* and it is not our anniversary feature.

*It's possible that covid-19 could delay this release but we are doing our best to ensure it does not.

Ask the Team

Do you have a burning question about Flight Rising lore that hasn't been addressed yet? Are you curious about our development process or philosophy? Maybe you're interested in learning more about the game itself?

If you do, send us a message through Contact Us using the category Ask the Team!

How It Works
  1. Navigate to our Contact Us webform.
  2. Select the "Ask the Team" category in the dropdown menu.
  3. Fill out the required fields, including your question.
  4. Submit your completed webform.

You will receive an automated reply confirming receipt of your question. When you use the "Ask the Team" category your question is tagged for the team to review.

Ask the Team Answers

Questions submitted to us through the "Ask the Team" category will be answered in our Community Updates.

Note: While we won't be able to answer every question sent to us, all questions are documented for the Flight Rising team to review, both now and in the future.

As Always

We don't provide estimated release dates, privileged information, or discuss account actions with third-parties.

We understand there may be a preference for the weekly/bi-monthly stickied thread. Our goal with this new format (Contact Us webform category and answers in Community Updates) is to answer more than a small (and rushed) handful of questions at a time.

Now on to your questions!

Everyone knows that Pearlcatchers value their pearls as much as if not more than their own lives, and that they carry them everywhere. In their breed art, both sexes are shown carrying it in their talons. My question is, do they ALWAYS hold it in their talons, or do they create bags and other ways to carry it in a way that frees their talons up? I would think it would be difficult to walk from place to place if you always had one or two paws holding onto this pearl, even if it were strong enough to support their weight as they walked like in the male breed art.

Pearlcatchers have long come up with creative ways to keep their pearls close, and that definitely includes tools like satchels, slings, and backpacks. The art depicts the dragons physically holding them because the pearls are such a focal importance to the breed and its identity.

I notice that with the first release and tease of ancient breeds, Goalers are an ice themed/lore breed. I expect there are more flight-aligned ancient breeds to come, but is there a possibly of neutral themed ones or even Shade or corrupted beasts?

We don't have any plans for Shade or corrupted dragons, but unaligned dragon breeds are definitely a possibility! That said, we do want to also focus on getting more of the elements two breeds under their belts.

From our Developer Update introducing the Ancient Breed System:

Many of these archaic creatures were crafted by the gods when they first began to vie for territory. Hastily designed, these creations were needed to carve the land into distinct realms, and remain very different from one another to this day. Not all ancient dragons were created by the elemental gods—others sprang forth from pure coagulated magic, owing no allegiance at all.

The last hints that we got had been Roulette, Firefly, Superb, and Wheel. I was wondering have all the things that they had been hinting at been released by this point? And if they have, do you have anymore hints about what is to come?

Everything but superb was revealed because these little floofs, Superb Gryphlets, went off exploring on their own but now they're back! You can find them right now over at Baldwin's Bubbling Brew, available to alchemists level 25+!

Here's the new list of hint words:
  • Goldfish
  • Portal
  • Fairy
  • Landscape

Flight Rising started out after a successful kickstarter in 2013 and has become one of my favorite sites in the web to use. Going strong for a good 6 years now, how did your ideas and goals for the site change over the years and do you have any sneak peaks for us about what's to come?

We've gotten a lot better about forward planning and project scoping, which has helped us a great deal in making assurances to our players that we can realistically follow through on. When we started out, we were very new to game development and couldn't be as accurate with our goals. While we still have a lot to improve on, the growth of the team and an evolution of how we plan the site out month-to-month has been really helpful. As for sneak peeks, we'll continue to showcase them in our Developer Updates, so stay tuned!

Is there an official name for the gem on a skydancers head? The encyclopedia entry for skydancers describes it as being a 'bony sphere' and a 'gem-like orb' though I was unable to find a word that a dragon would use to refer to it directly

Actually, come to think of it, no! We haven't given that particular feature an official term. What do you think it should be called?

once the site rehaul/redo/update is done, is dark theme at least a possibility? i love flight rising with all my heart but it's incredibly hard to play due to major sensitivity stemming from disability, and having an official dark theme would be a life saver for me and many others with disabilities like mine.

Good question! As you noted, the site rebuild has to be completed first before we can address any suggestions like themes or dark mode. In the interest of transparency, we should let you know that there are complications with much of the artwork used across the site with regards to dark mode, but it is something we're considering as we move forward.

The possible Coliseum PVP sounds awesome!

How can I be one of the testers?

We don't have any information to share on Coliseum PVP testing at this time. When we have more information on this, we will update the community.

How do you choose which fest items to recolor for Joxar? Is there a pattern, like, "Oh, we don't have enough recolors from 2015, we need to get to that next?" Or is it based on what there's demand for? Or is just whatever the artists randomly get inspired to work on?

There's no real set pattern, though we do try to take equal elemental representation into account whenever possible.

Does the scrying workshop Imperial have a name?

The art for Scrying Workshop was some of the earliest we created, and a bit before we started thinking about expanding the NPC roster of Flight Rising. So, no, just a random Imperial to showcase how the workshop is used!

Someone close to me died and they really loved Flight Rising. Can you keep their dragons fed or transfer their favorite dragons to me so I can keep them fed?

Due to regulations, privacy laws, as well as our own Privacy Policy and Terms of Use, we can't make changes to an account or release information based on the word of a third-party. We understand that may sound harsh and we apologize. Losing a loved one is terrible and we are sorry to hear of your loss. While we can't transfer dragons or maintain an individual account, the account will otherwise remain untouched and unchanged. Specifically that no dragons or items will be removed from the account, nor (barring a rule violation) will their account name, dragon names, and anything they've written on the site be changed or removed.

When artists share fanwork of Flight Rising, does the social media team mind if the artists tag the Flight Rising social media accounts in their postings?

Feel free to tag us! We love seeing your fan art!

Hello, when giving credit to SFW art, is it okay to link to sites such as Deviantart and Furaffinity profiles? I know you're not supposed to link to NSFW sites, but these sites aren't NSFW by default, just when the artist also does NSFW work (which I believe is also not visible without an account but I'm not 100% sure on that). Is it always okay to link to such an art profile? Only when they post SFW stuff? Only when the NSFW stuff is not visible without an account? I'd like some clarity on this before I link to something that's not allowed. Thank you!

Our rule regarding links posted on our site pertain to what you see when following the link. We've given some examples below, but this rule includes but is not limited to these examples:

If "NSFW," aka Not Safe For Work, images or content can be easily viewed when visiting the link, it would be removed from our website.

If "NSFW" art commissions are openly offered when visiting the link, it would be removed from our website.

If explicit directions on how to find or commission "NSFW" art are readily available when visiting the link, it would be removed from our website.

Note: As this is a rules question, per our policy we will not be responding to any follow-up questions in this announcement post.

What sort of homes do the Beastclans typically inhabit, other than the ones elaborated on in the Encyclopedia? For example, do some races live out in the open, underground, or in treetops, or do most construct buildings based on their culture and environment? Do any of them parallel known types of dragon lairs?

The beastclans have had to be extremely adaptable to hold their own in the age of the dragonkind. This means that their choices for building homes and communities can vary heavily based on the region or subregion they're living in.

I was curious if we could know the official biggest and smallest naturally possible sizes/weight for dragons? Specifically I was curious about the imperial breed. Thanks if you can answer

Faes are the smallest breed. Imperials are the longest. Guardians are the heaviest.

Fan Art Fridays

For our social media communities, we've introduced Fan Art Friday on Twitter, Tumblr, and Deviant Art!

How to Participate

Participation is simple—just add #FRFanArt when you post your Flight Rising fan art!

Why use the hashtag?

Using this hashtag communicates to us that it is okay to reblog, retweet, or even spotlight your work on the Flight Rising website!

The Community Update spotlight consists of a thumbnail that links directly to your fan art and your Flight Rising username.

We only spotlight fan art that doesn't contain profanity, nudity, etc. If your username or the post itself has that, your fan art is not eligible for a spotlight.

While we may not be able to share all posted fan art, using #FRFanArt is also a way to show off your fan art to new people and fellow players when they browse the tag.

Why Social Media?

There are many of our players who don't visit the forums regularly and instead spend their time on various social media platforms. It also means artists can share their art on the platform of their choice and followers can easily find their work.

FRFanArt Friday Spotlight!

Click on the preview to be taken to the artist's post!
@AlpineHell...boop @azurebolt ...boop @BlackRayser


@Bluekea........boop @dransnake...boop @fruitcube


@Gouldiae......boop @Koobi.....boop@Lokenosse


@MaficMystery......boop @Match......boop @MaybellMay


@Nioell......boop @Noodlestuff......boop @Owleics


@pheelthemomentboop @semolina...boop @Serpentarius


Miscellaneous Notes

April Fools Day

Flight Rising will again be participating in the fun of April Fools day with our own site activities! We feel that, given what's going on in the world, it's especially important that we have the opportunities to laugh and smile. As with past events, we don't aim to deceive anyone, but rather bring a much needed infusion of levity to what is sadly shaping up to be a very rough, serious, and uncertain time for so many.

As far as timing this year, expect things to get started at 6:00 server time (rather than at rollover) as this is when the majority of the development and community teams are working on the website.

400 Error Update

Over the past few weeks a very small number of players have been consistently experiencing 400 errors when trying to access the website. We've been unable to reproduce the issue as of today, making it difficult to diagnose and fix.

We are actively working on identifying the cause, and we are now able to see when it is occurring in our logs. We're in the process of adding more logging so we can figure out why it happens. In the meantime, if you are one of our players experiencing this error, please clear your cookies/browser cache for at least

We want to get this fixed for you as fast as possible, and thank you for hanging in there with us while we play whack-a-400-error-mole.

That is it for this update. Thank you for being a part of our community and all our love to you and yours!
400 bad request error?
Mar 28, 2020, 10:17:04
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron
We are investigating a possibility that this is related to Chrome's preloading feature, which could possibly be invoked in the URL bar or some other situations. We are adding additional logging to determine if this is the case.

Edit: Logging for this case has been added.

If you want to help, experiment with loading pages via the URL bar in Chrome (typing/autocomplete/history) rather than navigating the site by our sidebar links or bookmarks, to see if that triggers logouts or 400s more often -- this will help contribute to our logging picture.
400 bad request error?
Mar 27, 2020, 15:29:16
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron
Hello all, I have a quick update!

We were able to capture some instances of the unexpected logout issue which appears to be related to the 400 issue, and we are a little closer to understanding how these two events are interacting.

In the cases we have been able to inspect closely, it looks like the logouts occur because the browser literally stops sending cookies to our site. However, in these cases the browser appears to still be receiving and processing cookies we send back, which eventually pile up. When they are actually finally sent, an HTTP 400 because of too much cookie data in the request.

It is possible this is caused by antimalware or privacy programs/extensions, but at this point we are investigating whether the SameSite changes in Chrome 80 (and likely other browsers using the same base engine) are possibly causing these logouts. The timing and relation to cookies is suspicious. We will be posting some instructions soon to help determine if this is the case.
400 bad request error?
Mar 27, 2020, 10:47:35
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron

Did you experience an issue just recently at approximately 10:29 Server Time? And if so what pages were you trying to view & what symptoms did you see?
400 bad request error?
Mar 27, 2020, 08:49:03
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron
@Vark @wittykitsune @OverlordPony

When you have trouble what is the first symptom? Do you get a 400 suddenly, or are you suddenly logged out and then only receive the 400 after several page loads?

Thanks for your patience everyone -- we are getting closer.
400 bad request error?
Mar 26, 2020, 19:28:55
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron
clockworkMoose wrote on 2020-03-26 19:22:06:
Yes, I did! I had been checking cookies every 10-15 minutes all morning long, but then stopped for 3-4 hours. The only FR tab I had up was the cookie page. I clicked the homepage logo, got a 400 error, tried to back button to get the cookie page again, but it loaded up a 400 error there too, so I just cleared cookies, refreshed the cookie page (now with 0 cookies) and logged in. I haven't gotten any errors or extra cookies since.

Since I didn't have any cookie screenshots from near before or after, I didn't post. But I did, the timeline matches up pretty well to when I came back to my computer.

@clockworkMoose Okay, and to confirm, these were 400s you received, as opposed to just a page where you were logged out?

We are getting closer, thank you (and all the other posters!) for your responses.
400 bad request error?
Mar 26, 2020, 18:26:58
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron
clockworkMoose wrote on 2020-03-26 18:21:06:
forgot to add! The only extensions I have on chrome right now are New Xkit for Tumblr, View Image for google search, and Adblock plus, which I've disabled for FR for now, but am not disabling all together because I enjoy having my laptop disease free. Everything else I've disabled.


Did you experience an unexpected logout or a 400 a little bit ago, between about 17:43 and 17:58 Server Time approximately? We are seeing requests that are arriving at our site with what appears to be zero cookies attached at that time, but no 400 or obvious reason why several requests in a row should have no cookies, which is very curious.
400 bad request error?
Mar 26, 2020, 14:58:49
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron
Please continue browsing as normal and reporting anything that may be interesting. We have some additional tracing that may help us isolate exactly where the core issue is happening.
400 bad request error?
Mar 26, 2020, 12:50:01
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron
Kumatora wrote on 2020-03-26 12:43:52:
For anyone else having this issue, using an incognito tab is a quick fix to desktop browsing. When I get a chance I'll try to upload my own stats to help fix this. Where can I find them?

@Kumatora Please see this post:
400 bad request error?
Mar 25, 2020, 21:26:55
Forum Post | Bug Report Forums | By Mutron

Thanks for your update -- do you know about how many pages can you visit after clearing cookies before you get a 400? It seems like it is happening very rapidly for you.
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