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TOPIC | Ganondorf's Breeding Log
Hello. I am an avid breeder, and specialize in acquiring difficult and rare combinations. I run the Dragonwish Foundation, and the majority of my breeding projects are for the wishes there. A few of my projects are for myself.

I have also written a guide on breeding projects, so if you're reading this log and it all seems like gobbledygook, check out the guide to figure out the methods to my madness.

Additionally, I grumble and complain and get exasperated with my projects. If you are a wisher at the Dragonwish Foundation, especially if I am working on your dragon, please know that I do not mean any ill will or resentment towards you. You are allowed to ask for whatever you want! Here, you get a behind-the-scenes peek at just what chaos happens to get that dragon for you, and I hope it will be an entertaining read.

If you wish to peek at the dragons who are involved in the projects, please check both my lair and den, as I do play musical lair spots in order to make enough room for so many projects. Additionally, I keep my notes in the bios of two dragons. Carrotboy holds my non-DWF project notes, while WishWish holds my DWF project notes.
This is a male Veilspun dragon who has a bright orange body with light and dark gradients, and wings that fade in a gradient from pink to dark blue. He has jewelry on his feet, face, and shoulders, and braids in his hair.This is a female Aether dragon who has dark blue-green to green gradients on the body, white to green gradients on the wings with white speckles, dark swirly markings all over, which are the Wish gene, and bright green eyes.
Hello. I am an avid breeder, and specialize in acquiring difficult and rare combinations. I run the Dragonwish Foundation, and the majority of my breeding projects are for the wishes there. A few of my projects are for myself.

I have also written a guide on breeding projects, so if you're reading this log and it all seems like gobbledygook, check out the guide to figure out the methods to my madness.

Additionally, I grumble and complain and get exasperated with my projects. If you are a wisher at the Dragonwish Foundation, especially if I am working on your dragon, please know that I do not mean any ill will or resentment towards you. You are allowed to ask for whatever you want! Here, you get a behind-the-scenes peek at just what chaos happens to get that dragon for you, and I hope it will be an entertaining read.

If you wish to peek at the dragons who are involved in the projects, please check both my lair and den, as I do play musical lair spots in order to make enough room for so many projects. Additionally, I keep my notes in the bios of two dragons. Carrotboy holds my non-DWF project notes, while WishWish holds my DWF project notes.
This is a male Veilspun dragon who has a bright orange body with light and dark gradients, and wings that fade in a gradient from pink to dark blue. He has jewelry on his feet, face, and shoulders, and braids in his hair.This is a female Aether dragon who has dark blue-green to green gradients on the body, white to green gradients on the wings with white speckles, dark swirly markings all over, which are the Wish gene, and bright green eyes.
Current Projects
I currently have 14 projects going!
This male Imperial dragon has a brown body with a sparkling yellow belly, bright blue and pink insect-like wings, and light green eyes. DWF Wish:
Imperial Male with Driftwood (any gene), Cerulean Bee, Metals Glimmer and any eyes.

Start Date: December 13, 2023
Status: We're on grandparents!
This male Coatl dragon has a smooth black body, red wings with faint stripes, a segmented, red tail that gets lighter towards the end, and white eyes. DWF Wish:
Coatl Male with Obsidian Metallic, Vermilion Stripes, Vermilion Glowtail and Ice eyes.

Start Date: December 28, 2023
Status: The hardest part is finding Ice nests...
This baby Aether dragon has a mix of pastel colours, most predominately blue and purple, with pink, yellow, and a faint bit of green. The eyes are a pastel green. Personal Project:
Aether pair with Sky Flaunt, Rose Flicker, Mist Wish, and any eyes.

Start Date: January 18, 2024
Status: We got a 1 in 8 pair now!
This hatchling Imperial dragon has a black body with dark rounded rectangular markings, checker patterns of light and dark red with some blue on the wings, golden filigree on the face, body and wing tips, and red eyes. DWF Wish:
Imperial pair with Obsidian Pharaoh, Garnet Jester, Amber Filigree and Plague, Light, or Fire eyes. (Plague preferred.)

Start Date: March 10, 2024
Status: Both trees progressing well!
This male Obelisk dragon has a bright red body with petal markings, glossy dark green wings, mane, and tail tuft, and dark red lace pattern on the wing and belly edges, and white eyes. DWF Wish:
Obelisk male with Cherry Petals, Shamrock Alloy, Berry Lace and Ice eyes.

Start Date: March 12, 2024
Status: Mistakes were made, and one of my grandparent pairs doesn't have alloy. Oops.
This female Coatl dragon has a bright green glossy body and wings with sparkly splotches of green and blue. Personal Project:
Multiple triple Radioactive female Coatls with different gem genes, all unrelated to each other.
3/9 dragons acquired.

Start Date: July 2, 2024
Status: Okay, this one is steadily growing now...
This male Skydancer dragon has a brown and white checkered body, blue checkered wings, and red striped throat and legs. DWF Wish:
Skydancer Male with Ginger Harlequin, Splash Jester, Cherry Okapi and Light eyes.

Start Date: July 18, 2024
Status: We're actually making good headway! Overlapping with the Cherry/Shamrock/Berry doesn't hurt.
This male Wildclaw dragon has a cream-coloured body with light and dark splotches, a light belly, and wings that fade from dark to light, with blue and green spots scattered on them. DWF Wish:
Wildclaw Male with Ivory Chrysocolla, Buttercup Blaze, Maize Glimmer and Lightning eyes. White, Antique also okay for tertiary.

Start Date: August 24, 2024
Status: Starting with grandparents is nice!
This female Obelisk dragon has a dark blue body with rosette markings, with glossy cerise-coloured mane and wings with floral markings, cerise and purple splotches all over, and orange eyes. DWF Wish:
Obelisk Female with Abyss Jaguar, Carmine Paisley, Carmine Koi and Fire eyes.

Start Date: August 27, 2024
Status: I have a couple dragons on loan whose offspring I am trying to prioritize pairing off. They aren't cooperating, naturally.
This female Spiral dragon has a purple body with orange gradients, orange wings with light purple gradients, a blue tail, and white eyes. DWF Wish:
Spiral Female with Orchid Fade, Sunshine Noxtide, Cornflower Glowtail and Ice eyes.

Start Date: September 19, 2024
Status: A 16-pair start has been set up.
This male Skydancer dragon has cream and brown coloured body with stripes and jagged swirl markings, teal blue starry wings, and grey filigree with amber gems on the wings, face, neck, and flank. DWF Wish:
Skydancer Male with Ivory Cherub, Azure Constellation, Smoke Filigree and Lightning or Water eyes. Colours most important, can get scrolls.

Start Date: November 1, 2024
Status: We've got a colours-only 1 in 8 pair!
This male Coatl dragon has a white faceted body, light green butterfly-patterned wings, with green curly filigree markings on the head, neck, flank, and wing tips, and light green eyes. DWF Wish:
Coatl Male with White Crystal, Peridot Butterfly, Fern Filigree and Wind eyes.

Start Date: November 7, 2024
Status: Setting up...
This male Wildclaw dragon has a patternless creamish white body and green eyes. Personal Project:
Multiple male Wildclaws with all gem genes with different mixes of White and Antique.
4/8 dragons acquired.

Start Date: November 9, 2024
Status: Decided to knock this one off the list, since it'll be a set 8 dragons.
This male Ridgeback dragon has a yellow and orange body, dark brown wings, and bright yellow splattered markings all over. Personal Project:
Ridgeback male with Marigold Flaunt, Oilslick Current, Grapefruit Crackle and Fire eyes.

Start Date: December 4, 2024
Status: We're going with Brand because I so do not have the nest space for Lissandra.
Inactive Projects
These will only be nested when convenient, but take a back seat to the above.
Currently, there are none!
Current Projects
I currently have 14 projects going!
This male Imperial dragon has a brown body with a sparkling yellow belly, bright blue and pink insect-like wings, and light green eyes. DWF Wish:
Imperial Male with Driftwood (any gene), Cerulean Bee, Metals Glimmer and any eyes.

Start Date: December 13, 2023
Status: We're on grandparents!
This male Coatl dragon has a smooth black body, red wings with faint stripes, a segmented, red tail that gets lighter towards the end, and white eyes. DWF Wish:
Coatl Male with Obsidian Metallic, Vermilion Stripes, Vermilion Glowtail and Ice eyes.

Start Date: December 28, 2023
Status: The hardest part is finding Ice nests...
This baby Aether dragon has a mix of pastel colours, most predominately blue and purple, with pink, yellow, and a faint bit of green. The eyes are a pastel green. Personal Project:
Aether pair with Sky Flaunt, Rose Flicker, Mist Wish, and any eyes.

Start Date: January 18, 2024
Status: We got a 1 in 8 pair now!
This hatchling Imperial dragon has a black body with dark rounded rectangular markings, checker patterns of light and dark red with some blue on the wings, golden filigree on the face, body and wing tips, and red eyes. DWF Wish:
Imperial pair with Obsidian Pharaoh, Garnet Jester, Amber Filigree and Plague, Light, or Fire eyes. (Plague preferred.)

Start Date: March 10, 2024
Status: Both trees progressing well!
This male Obelisk dragon has a bright red body with petal markings, glossy dark green wings, mane, and tail tuft, and dark red lace pattern on the wing and belly edges, and white eyes. DWF Wish:
Obelisk male with Cherry Petals, Shamrock Alloy, Berry Lace and Ice eyes.

Start Date: March 12, 2024
Status: Mistakes were made, and one of my grandparent pairs doesn't have alloy. Oops.
This female Coatl dragon has a bright green glossy body and wings with sparkly splotches of green and blue. Personal Project:
Multiple triple Radioactive female Coatls with different gem genes, all unrelated to each other.
3/9 dragons acquired.

Start Date: July 2, 2024
Status: Okay, this one is steadily growing now...
This male Skydancer dragon has a brown and white checkered body, blue checkered wings, and red striped throat and legs. DWF Wish:
Skydancer Male with Ginger Harlequin, Splash Jester, Cherry Okapi and Light eyes.

Start Date: July 18, 2024
Status: We're actually making good headway! Overlapping with the Cherry/Shamrock/Berry doesn't hurt.
This male Wildclaw dragon has a cream-coloured body with light and dark splotches, a light belly, and wings that fade from dark to light, with blue and green spots scattered on them. DWF Wish:
Wildclaw Male with Ivory Chrysocolla, Buttercup Blaze, Maize Glimmer and Lightning eyes. White, Antique also okay for tertiary.

Start Date: August 24, 2024
Status: Starting with grandparents is nice!
This female Obelisk dragon has a dark blue body with rosette markings, with glossy cerise-coloured mane and wings with floral markings, cerise and purple splotches all over, and orange eyes. DWF Wish:
Obelisk Female with Abyss Jaguar, Carmine Paisley, Carmine Koi and Fire eyes.

Start Date: August 27, 2024
Status: I have a couple dragons on loan whose offspring I am trying to prioritize pairing off. They aren't cooperating, naturally.
This female Spiral dragon has a purple body with orange gradients, orange wings with light purple gradients, a blue tail, and white eyes. DWF Wish:
Spiral Female with Orchid Fade, Sunshine Noxtide, Cornflower Glowtail and Ice eyes.

Start Date: September 19, 2024
Status: A 16-pair start has been set up.
This male Skydancer dragon has cream and brown coloured body with stripes and jagged swirl markings, teal blue starry wings, and grey filigree with amber gems on the wings, face, neck, and flank. DWF Wish:
Skydancer Male with Ivory Cherub, Azure Constellation, Smoke Filigree and Lightning or Water eyes. Colours most important, can get scrolls.

Start Date: November 1, 2024
Status: We've got a colours-only 1 in 8 pair!
This male Coatl dragon has a white faceted body, light green butterfly-patterned wings, with green curly filigree markings on the head, neck, flank, and wing tips, and light green eyes. DWF Wish:
Coatl Male with White Crystal, Peridot Butterfly, Fern Filigree and Wind eyes.

Start Date: November 7, 2024
Status: Setting up...
This male Wildclaw dragon has a patternless creamish white body and green eyes. Personal Project:
Multiple male Wildclaws with all gem genes with different mixes of White and Antique.
4/8 dragons acquired.

Start Date: November 9, 2024
Status: Decided to knock this one off the list, since it'll be a set 8 dragons.
This male Ridgeback dragon has a yellow and orange body, dark brown wings, and bright yellow splattered markings all over. Personal Project:
Ridgeback male with Marigold Flaunt, Oilslick Current, Grapefruit Crackle and Fire eyes.

Start Date: December 4, 2024
Status: We're going with Brand because I so do not have the nest space for Lissandra.
Inactive Projects
These will only be nested when convenient, but take a back seat to the above.
Currently, there are none!
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Alright, so, what prompted me to make this thread? In truth, I had been meaning to make it for a while now. I have a tumblr blog that I made a few posts on, but could never consistently post on it, due to the format. So this thread is meant to be a replacement for that, as it both reaches a large audience, and is also easier for me to get to. Here, I plan to share the ups and downs of having an insane number of breeding projects, from daily ramblings to longer stories. But, what finally lit a fire under my tail and got me to sit down and make this thread, is probably my latest project, which is the Red/Red/Goldenrod or Metals project. Because it is, in many ways, very reminiscent of a certain infamous project I once had. I go into detail about it on [url=https://cryingbecausecoatls.tumblr.com/post/157026597031/coatls-makin-me-cry-pt-1]my[/url] [url=https://cryingbecausecoatls.tumblr.com/post/168134153011/coatls-makin-me-cry-pt-3]blog[/url], but here is a more concise version. Crimson/Crimson/Violet, Crystal/Facet/Circuit Coatl female. Today, you might have a little difficulty with breeding one, but not to the extent that it'd go down in infamy among all your friends. That's because today, there do exist dragons that are near these colours with appropriate genes, and we also have this luxuriously easy to use Auction House now. When I started this project on May 26, 2016, in addition to using the old Auction House, [s]which operated like the Dragon Search does now (which is horrible and I wish they'd update it like the Auction House)[/s] (June 8, 2019: oh hey wish granted), a lot of the dragons you see today in that colour range simply did not exist. [size=2]Except for that one super expensive breeding pair, whose market I inadvertently destroyed in the process of completing this project. [i]Oops?[/i][/size] Crimson/Crimson/X are a dime a dozen, and were a dime a dozen even back then. The trouble was, that X, was exclusively between Ice and Lemon. Even among the red ranges, the tertiary never strayed beyond those two colours, and if you go and check, you'll find that, when paired together, those two colours, the closest options I had, would not cover the purple range. This project was, quite literally, impossible, until I found Torn, a month and a half after starting the project: [center][url=http://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/24080757][img]http://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/350/240808/24080757_350.png[/img][/url][/center] Take a look at her parents; she was a fluke baby in the red range for primary and secondary, and, Jungle, her tertiary colour, could finally pair with Ice. From there, this insane project unfolded. Because I literally had exactly one possible pairing, I couldn't do a normal [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gde/2630512#post_37684943]pyramid project[/url], so I had to go with breeding 5 generations of dragons, back and forth across the purples - if the next generation was on the Nightshade side of Violet, I find them a yellow-tert partner; if they were on the Grape side of Violet, I find them a partner in the whites. Meanwhile I was breeding Torn and her partner over and over again, trying to get a dragon as close to Violet as possible, and created multiple bloodlines in the process, that, well over a year later, finally got to the point of being able to be bred together. In the end, I had multiple pairs producing super close babies, and it was only a matter of time and luck before I would get the final baby, 18 months after I started. [center][url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=37681403] [img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/350/376815/37681403_350.png[/img] [/url][/center] With careful counting, I discovered I bred 186 dragons in the process. At first, they sold like hotcakes, 50-80k each, constantly. Many of those dragons went on to create their own pairings as this once-impossible niche became exposed. Then it slowed. And slowed. By the end of the project, I could barely sell any dragons for above fodder prices. Two years later, you'll find that the prices of triple gem gene red-range/red-range/purple-range Coatls are no longer fodder prices, but they aren't the 800k they once were. The project, while it was in progress, was endlessly frustrating. But, it sure made for one hell of a memory, and has brought me a lot more amusement the more I look back on it. And, y'know what was one of those lessons I took away from it? Your Iron Man dragon is really, really not special. It is super common, so common that it, along with other popular combinations, floods the market, and shoves aside anything outside the norm, which makes it very difficult to acquire new and unique combinations - if they don't exist, then one needs to create them through breeding far-ranged dragons and hoping the babies hatch with colours anywhere near the goal, and as illustrated in this story, sometimes that isn't even possible. The Dragonwish Foundation gets a lot of really odd and interesting dragon requests, simply because people don't know how to make them happen otherwise, or it is very difficult, and I guess we've proven that no matter [i]how[/i] difficult, we'll still get the dragon. So, colour me surprised when someone submits a request for an Iron Man dragon... and actually makes it different enough from the norm, to be very, very difficult to get, indeed.
Alright, so, what prompted me to make this thread? In truth, I had been meaning to make it for a while now. I have a tumblr blog that I made a few posts on, but could never consistently post on it, due to the format. So this thread is meant to be a replacement for that, as it both reaches a large audience, and is also easier for me to get to. Here, I plan to share the ups and downs of having an insane number of breeding projects, from daily ramblings to longer stories.

But, what finally lit a fire under my tail and got me to sit down and make this thread, is probably my latest project, which is the Red/Red/Goldenrod or Metals project. Because it is, in many ways, very reminiscent of a certain infamous project I once had.

I go into detail about it on my blog, but here is a more concise version.

Crimson/Crimson/Violet, Crystal/Facet/Circuit Coatl female. Today, you might have a little difficulty with breeding one, but not to the extent that it'd go down in infamy among all your friends. That's because today, there do exist dragons that are near these colours with appropriate genes, and we also have this luxuriously easy to use Auction House now.

When I started this project on May 26, 2016, in addition to using the old Auction House, which operated like the Dragon Search does now (which is horrible and I wish they'd update it like the Auction House) (June 8, 2019: oh hey wish granted), a lot of the dragons you see today in that colour range simply did not exist.

Except for that one super expensive breeding pair, whose market I inadvertently destroyed in the process of completing this project. Oops?

Crimson/Crimson/X are a dime a dozen, and were a dime a dozen even back then. The trouble was, that X, was exclusively between Ice and Lemon. Even among the red ranges, the tertiary never strayed beyond those two colours, and if you go and check, you'll find that, when paired together, those two colours, the closest options I had, would not cover the purple range.

This project was, quite literally, impossible, until I found Torn, a month and a half after starting the project:
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Take a look at her parents; she was a fluke baby in the red range for primary and secondary, and, Jungle, her tertiary colour, could finally pair with Ice.

From there, this insane project unfolded. Because I literally had exactly one possible pairing, I couldn't do a normal pyramid project, so I had to go with breeding 5 generations of dragons, back and forth across the purples - if the next generation was on the Nightshade side of Violet, I find them a yellow-tert partner; if they were on the Grape side of Violet, I find them a partner in the whites.

Meanwhile I was breeding Torn and her partner over and over again, trying to get a dragon as close to Violet as possible, and created multiple bloodlines in the process, that, well over a year later, finally got to the point of being able to be bred together. In the end, I had multiple pairs producing super close babies, and it was only a matter of time and luck before I would get the final baby, 18 months after I started.
With careful counting, I discovered I bred 186 dragons in the process. At first, they sold like hotcakes, 50-80k each, constantly. Many of those dragons went on to create their own pairings as this once-impossible niche became exposed. Then it slowed. And slowed. By the end of the project, I could barely sell any dragons for above fodder prices.

Two years later, you'll find that the prices of triple gem gene red-range/red-range/purple-range Coatls are no longer fodder prices, but they aren't the 800k they once were. The project, while it was in progress, was endlessly frustrating. But, it sure made for one hell of a memory, and has brought me a lot more amusement the more I look back on it.

And, y'know what was one of those lessons I took away from it? Your Iron Man dragon is really, really not special. It is super common, so common that it, along with other popular combinations, floods the market, and shoves aside anything outside the norm, which makes it very difficult to acquire new and unique combinations - if they don't exist, then one needs to create them through breeding far-ranged dragons and hoping the babies hatch with colours anywhere near the goal, and as illustrated in this story, sometimes that isn't even possible.

The Dragonwish Foundation gets a lot of really odd and interesting dragon requests, simply because people don't know how to make them happen otherwise, or it is very difficult, and I guess we've proven that no matter how difficult, we'll still get the dragon.

So, colour me surprised when someone submits a request for an Iron Man dragon... and actually makes it different enough from the norm, to be very, very difficult to get, indeed.
Alright, so what's the deal with the Iron Man project? For clarity, we're talking about this one: [quote][columns] [img]http://www1.flightrising.com/dgen/preview/dragon?age=1&body=62&bodygene=17&breed=12&element=5&eyetype=0&gender=0&tert=41&tertgene=17&winggene=17&wings=62&auth=61ca2b336a72081fca2be29df7d22c1fb45a16a8&dummyext=prev.png[/img][nextcol] [b]DWF wish:[/b] Red Metallic/Red Alloy/Goldenrod or Metals Opal Lightning Male Coatl; name parents Howard & Maria. [/columns][/quote] What are the problems here? What are the challenges? After all, like I said previously, Iron Man dragons are super, super common. Well, first, what strikes me immediately is the colours. Yes, the colour range - red-range/red-range/yellow-range - is very, very common. However, when you've been on this site for 6 years like I have, you know that, in a twist of irony, Red is the least popular red. Most people who breed dragons like this, have their pairs exclusively between Crimson and Blood. This creates a problem with finding dragons that'll actually pair up to include Red in their range. Goldenrod, or Metals? This is the least of my concerns for this project - Goldenrod is outside the normal range and I cannot reasonably get it, but Metals, being right next to Gold, and between Gold and Banana/Lemon, is very attainable. For colours, this project actually has the opposite problem that the Crimson/Crimson/Violet project had. Next up is the genes. At first, I did not imagine I'd have any difficulty with the genes, especially Opal, as I figured, that, since, in general, Metallic, Alloy, and Opal are more popular than say, Iridescent, Crystal, Shimmer, Facet, or Circuit. Not for this colour range. Apparently, most people still prefer Crystal/Facet/Circuit for their Iron Man dragons, or at least, no one has tried to do anything different before. And, of course, having to go into the pinks to get pairs that'll actually reach Red, I am flooded with Petals, Butterfly, and Glimmer. Lastly, it's a Coatl. Coatl projects are never easy. Even when they look like they'd be easy, they're not. You are limited to two breeds, at best, for your pool of dragons to choose from, and even though Coatls are one of the most popular breeds in the game, it seems that people who have them as hatchery pairs aren't going to have a 35-day cooldown pairing that strays too far from what sells well, so even though there are large amounts of Coatls out there, their [i]variety[/i] is surprisingly choked. Because of that, it should be no surprise that many Coatls that are within the same sort of look, are pretty closely related to each other. Normally, I won't buy any dragons that are related to each other for the same project, as I'll be needing to pair their kids to each other, but if I were to do that with this project, I'd have at most 3 or 4 pairs so far. With careful consideration, I have, instead, 10 pairs currently, and 15 out of 21 of the dragons I've acquired are related to someone. Yes, this is a tangled mess. In total, because of the extreme lack of genes, the difficulty in getting Red, and the fact that we're messing with Coatls, I have decided upon a 16-pair start and the [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gde/2630512#post_37684943]pyramid method[/url] for this project. 16-pair starts are absolutely overkill, and I've only done it once before, for the Sunset/Plum/Banana-Ivory project, whose colours were so rare I was starting from 40+ colours away from the goal for some pairs. However, overkill will definitely be needed here - across the 10 pairs I currently have, I only have 5 dragons with Opal, 5 dragons with Metallic, and just 2 dragons with Alloy. And those two, I had to find waaaay off the goal colours: [url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=51907786] [img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/350/519078/51907786_350.png[/img] [/url] [url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=52065378] [img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/350/520654/52065378_350.png[/img] [/url] Ouch. I hope the last 12 dragons I am looking for will have some more Alloy...
Alright, so what's the deal with the Iron Man project? For clarity, we're talking about this one:
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dragon?age=1&body=62&bodygene=17&breed=12&element=5&eyetype=0&gender=0&tert=41&tertgene=17&winggene=17&wings=62&auth=61ca2b336a72081fca2be29df7d22c1fb45a16a8&dummyext=prev.png DWF wish:
Red Metallic/Red Alloy/Goldenrod or Metals Opal Lightning Male Coatl; name parents Howard & Maria.

What are the problems here? What are the challenges? After all, like I said previously, Iron Man dragons are super, super common. Well, first, what strikes me immediately is the colours. Yes, the colour range - red-range/red-range/yellow-range - is very, very common. However, when you've been on this site for 6 years like I have, you know that, in a twist of irony, Red is the least popular red. Most people who breed dragons like this, have their pairs exclusively between Crimson and Blood. This creates a problem with finding dragons that'll actually pair up to include Red in their range.

Goldenrod, or Metals? This is the least of my concerns for this project - Goldenrod is outside the normal range and I cannot reasonably get it, but Metals, being right next to Gold, and between Gold and Banana/Lemon, is very attainable. For colours, this project actually has the opposite problem that the Crimson/Crimson/Violet project had.

Next up is the genes. At first, I did not imagine I'd have any difficulty with the genes, especially Opal, as I figured, that, since, in general, Metallic, Alloy, and Opal are more popular than say, Iridescent, Crystal, Shimmer, Facet, or Circuit.

Not for this colour range. Apparently, most people still prefer Crystal/Facet/Circuit for their Iron Man dragons, or at least, no one has tried to do anything different before. And, of course, having to go into the pinks to get pairs that'll actually reach Red, I am flooded with Petals, Butterfly, and Glimmer.

Lastly, it's a Coatl. Coatl projects are never easy. Even when they look like they'd be easy, they're not. You are limited to two breeds, at best, for your pool of dragons to choose from, and even though Coatls are one of the most popular breeds in the game, it seems that people who have them as hatchery pairs aren't going to have a 35-day cooldown pairing that strays too far from what sells well, so even though there are large amounts of Coatls out there, their variety is surprisingly choked.

Because of that, it should be no surprise that many Coatls that are within the same sort of look, are pretty closely related to each other. Normally, I won't buy any dragons that are related to each other for the same project, as I'll be needing to pair their kids to each other, but if I were to do that with this project, I'd have at most 3 or 4 pairs so far. With careful consideration, I have, instead, 10 pairs currently, and 15 out of 21 of the dragons I've acquired are related to someone. Yes, this is a tangled mess.

In total, because of the extreme lack of genes, the difficulty in getting Red, and the fact that we're messing with Coatls, I have decided upon a 16-pair start and the pyramid method for this project. 16-pair starts are absolutely overkill, and I've only done it once before, for the Sunset/Plum/Banana-Ivory project, whose colours were so rare I was starting from 40+ colours away from the goal for some pairs.

However, overkill will definitely be needed here - across the 10 pairs I currently have, I only have 5 dragons with Opal, 5 dragons with Metallic, and just 2 dragons with Alloy. And those two, I had to find waaaay off the goal colours:

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Ouch. I hope the last 12 dragons I am looking for will have some more Alloy...
[center] [url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=52246228] [img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/350/522463/52246228_350.png[/img] [/url] [i][b]I have made a grave mistake![/b][/i] [/center] Alright, so, was looking at potential new mates, and as I was checking bloodlines, I usually go in order of whatever my lair is, because that's easy. Male, female, male, female, all my pairs are arranged this way, with the male first, so I can, quickly and at a glance, see who is paired with whom. Except, my subconsciousness registered that something was [i]wrong[/i] as I was going through the dragons, scrying each one's bloodline compared to whoever I was contemplating buying. I had 3 males in a row. I look back. This dragon, who I swore up and down was female, was actually male. Panic ensued, but I eventually found a new partner for 'her' intended mate, and for 'her', making two new pairs. In addition to them, I've got 1 1/2 more pairs as well, for a total of 12 1/2 now. So if you find Maria the male Coatl, and his mate Howard, the female Coatl in my lair, well, now you know what happened.

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I have made a grave mistake!

Alright, so, was looking at potential new mates, and as I was checking bloodlines, I usually go in order of whatever my lair is, because that's easy. Male, female, male, female, all my pairs are arranged this way, with the male first, so I can, quickly and at a glance, see who is paired with whom.

Except, my subconsciousness registered that something was wrong as I was going through the dragons, scrying each one's bloodline compared to whoever I was contemplating buying. I had 3 males in a row.

I look back.

This dragon, who I swore up and down was female, was actually male. Panic ensued, but I eventually found a new partner for 'her' intended mate, and for 'her', making two new pairs. In addition to them, I've got 1 1/2 more pairs as well, for a total of 12 1/2 now.

So if you find Maria the male Coatl, and his mate Howard, the female Coatl in my lair, well, now you know what happened.
Wow, dragon search update! That is, perhaps, the more important update than the ancients' release, as neat as the Gaolers are, at least, from a breeder's perspective. Once all the hype dies down and the site is usable again, I'll be taking a good look at it and seeing if I can arrange a few breedings to help speed along some of my projects. I used to do that more, especially when the Auction House was of similar quality, but when the Auction House revision went in, the Dragon Search because much more tedious and time-consuming by comparison, so I stopped. It'll be nice to be able to get head-starts once again, instead of being limited by only the dragons currently listed for sale. But, I have something else to talk about - or should I say, [i]vent[/i] about. Check out these trolls. They come from a Nocturne/Imperial pair, and this pair is for the Fog/Blood/Wine project. [center][url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=52474311][img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/avatars/524744/52474311.png[/img][/url][url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=52474312][img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/avatars/524744/52474312.png[/img][/url][url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=52474313][img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/avatars/524744/52474313.png[/img][/url][/center] This nest is the second nest from this generation in this project to give me nothing but Imperials, when I need Nocturnes - and the cherry on top is the kid with Facet, when I need Toxin. At first, I thought he had exact colours, but 'thankfully', he's one off on the secondary. What trolls.
Wow, dragon search update! That is, perhaps, the more important update than the ancients' release, as neat as the Gaolers are, at least, from a breeder's perspective. Once all the hype dies down and the site is usable again, I'll be taking a good look at it and seeing if I can arrange a few breedings to help speed along some of my projects.

I used to do that more, especially when the Auction House was of similar quality, but when the Auction House revision went in, the Dragon Search because much more tedious and time-consuming by comparison, so I stopped. It'll be nice to be able to get head-starts once again, instead of being limited by only the dragons currently listed for sale.

But, I have something else to talk about - or should I say, vent about. Check out these trolls. They come from a Nocturne/Imperial pair, and this pair is for the Fog/Blood/Wine project.
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This nest is the second nest from this generation in this project to give me nothing but Imperials, when I need Nocturnes - and the cherry on top is the kid with Facet, when I need Toxin. At first, I thought he had exact colours, but 'thankfully', he's one off on the secondary.

What trolls.
I.... love the dragon search update. With it, I was able to easily request a breeding that would massively help me acquire a fandragon I want to make: [center][img]https://flightrising.com/rendern/350/538147/53814633_350.png[/img][/center] Having gotten that baby, now named Ponjaf, I found a mate for him, and now have a 1 in 4 pair who just need to grow up. I am excited! (I will be buying a Tundra scroll for him, obviously. Because it's cheap, unlike these gene scrolls. It also would be thematically entertaining if his father was a very large breed like an Imp.) [center][url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=52732478][img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/avatars/527325/52732478.png[/img][/url][url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=52714623][img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/avatars/527147/52714623.png[/img][/url][/center]
I.... love the dragon search update. With it, I was able to easily request a breeding that would massively help me acquire a fandragon I want to make:
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Having gotten that baby, now named Ponjaf, I found a mate for him, and now have a 1 in 4 pair who just need to grow up. I am excited! (I will be buying a Tundra scroll for him, obviously. Because it's cheap, unlike these gene scrolls. It also would be thematically entertaining if his father was a very large breed like an Imp.)
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You know, something always told me breeding projects were difficult.

I also had a random thought that Quiso looks way different without her accents than the pic in her bio. Though i did put a small effort into giving her similar-ish apparel.

I have had an odd taste of color ranges with the pairs i chose for my own lair, as by pure accident aka not paying any attention at all plenty of them have blue range terts. I have thought about becoming more familiar with how the color wheel works but i'm generally lazy and i don't have a major reason to at the moment.

At any rate, good luck Ganon!
You know, something always told me breeding projects were difficult.

I also had a random thought that Quiso looks way different without her accents than the pic in her bio. Though i did put a small effort into giving her similar-ish apparel.

I have had an odd taste of color ranges with the pairs i chose for my own lair, as by pure accident aka not paying any attention at all plenty of them have blue range terts. I have thought about becoming more familiar with how the color wheel works but i'm generally lazy and i don't have a major reason to at the moment.

At any rate, good luck Ganon!
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@Eyesofblue, the skin I had for Quiso is actually Skin: Salve Kamaitachi, which can be found in the Mire, and is pretty cheap on the AH, if you wanted to fully mimic it. She is pretty different without it, I agree. xD She actually came from one of the pairs in the very first breeding project I've currently got listed here, the White/Sanguine/Swamp.

But yes, breeding projects can be very difficult. xD Sometimes, they're easy, like with this new White/White/Ice project, but... those are only the case when I'm looking for very common colour combinations, such as, anything in the white range, lol.
@Eyesofblue, the skin I had for Quiso is actually Skin: Salve Kamaitachi, which can be found in the Mire, and is pretty cheap on the AH, if you wanted to fully mimic it. She is pretty different without it, I agree. xD She actually came from one of the pairs in the very first breeding project I've currently got listed here, the White/Sanguine/Swamp.

But yes, breeding projects can be very difficult. xD Sometimes, they're easy, like with this new White/White/Ice project, but... those are only the case when I'm looking for very common colour combinations, such as, anything in the white range, lol.