[quote name="Vendrus" date="2021-12-28 14:40:13" ]
No. Obvious errors should be fixed.
All known errors need to be communicated ASAP, and ones that aren't found until later (because they're not obviously errors) need to be discussed with the playerbase.
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Vendrus wrote on 2021-12-28 14:40:13:
No. Obvious errors should be fixed.
All known errors need to be communicated ASAP, and ones that aren't found until later (because they're not obviously errors) need to be discussed with the playerbase.
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[quote name="Realcottoncat" date="2021-12-29 10:03:14" ]
No support. Obvious errors should be fixed. Most not-so-obvious errors should be too.
Obelisk manes are an exception, not the rule. Imo this is for a few reasons.
1. They were in the banner art, so the staff clearly was okay with the appearance of flair at one point. Additionally if its being used as the main example of the gene, then it makes sense to assume that there is no error with it.
2. Coatl feathers have a similar gradient to the "incorrect" obe manes, so obelisk manes were not alone in having this gradient style. Wildclaws seem to have the "correct" gradient style indicating that the feathers are likely treated the same as fur. Skydancers I can't really tell because I am not sure whether to count their "mane" as fur or feathers.
3. It had been 4 months and in that time the staff never announced it was an error, and there also was not a significant enough number of players who realized and warned the community of the error. With other gene fixes we usually have plenty of warning (either from staff or observant players) so we can plan accordingly.
4. Slight breed inconsistencies are common in this game and are not usually considered errors.
Genes like giraffe/hex on obelisks were very obviously bugged and both the community and staff knew about it shortly after the release. Usually gene errors are very obvious like this and get found out within minutes - a few weeks of their appearance, so even if they don't get fixed for months most people already know they are bugged and don't scry/ gene dragons with the gene bugs (or if they do, they understand someday it will change).
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No gene bug fixes ever again? No support.
The Obelisk Flair backlash (and the Butterfly gene fix backlash), was caused by poor communication. It’s not that we don’t want bug fixes. We just want a warning for when genes will eventually change. Staff already has made a step in the right direction by posting a list of gene bugs.
Realcottoncat wrote on 2021-12-29 10:03:14:
No support. Obvious errors should be fixed. Most not-so-obvious errors should be too.
Obelisk manes are an exception, not the rule. Imo this is for a few reasons.
1. They were in the banner art, so the staff clearly was okay with the appearance of flair at one point. Additionally if its being used as the main example of the gene, then it makes sense to assume that there is no error with it.
2. Coatl feathers have a similar gradient to the "incorrect" obe manes, so obelisk manes were not alone in having this gradient style. Wildclaws seem to have the "correct" gradient style indicating that the feathers are likely treated the same as fur. Skydancers I can't really tell because I am not sure whether to count their "mane" as fur or feathers.
3. It had been 4 months and in that time the staff never announced it was an error, and there also was not a significant enough number of players who realized and warned the community of the error. With other gene fixes we usually have plenty of warning (either from staff or observant players) so we can plan accordingly.
4. Slight breed inconsistencies are common in this game and are not usually considered errors.
Genes like giraffe/hex on obelisks were very obviously bugged and both the community and staff knew about it shortly after the release. Usually gene errors are very obvious like this and get found out within minutes - a few weeks of their appearance, so even if they don't get fixed for months most people already know they are bugged and don't scry/ gene dragons with the gene bugs (or if they do, they understand someday it will change).
No gene bug fixes ever again? No support.
The Obelisk Flair backlash (and the Butterfly gene fix backlash), was caused by poor communication. It’s not that we don’t want bug fixes. We just want a warning for when genes will eventually change. Staff already has made a step in the right direction by posting a list of gene bugs.
Art errors that could be fixed without player input:
- stray pixels/clipping
- genes that cause broken images
- extreme oversaturation
- eye type errors
Art errors that should be put to community poll and/or discussion:
- genes that are inconsistent for one pose of one breed (guardian F petals, tundra M scales), and have been for multiple years to the point where projects and sentimentals rely on the dragon looking the way it currently does
- genes that are released with errors in certain colors/genes on certain breeds or poses that add value and enjoyment of the dragon without disrupting the game aesthetic
- gene overhauls
If a majority of people who own dragons with non-aesthetic breaking genes want them to stay the way they look now, why waste time and energy fixing them? Especially when it could just result in more backlash to deal with, and take focus away from other, more requested site additions.
Art errors that could be fixed without player input:
- stray pixels/clipping
- genes that cause broken images
- extreme oversaturation
- eye type errors
Art errors that should be put to community poll and/or discussion:
- genes that are inconsistent for one pose of one breed (guardian F petals, tundra M scales), and have been for multiple years to the point where projects and sentimentals rely on the dragon looking the way it currently does
- genes that are released with errors in certain colors/genes on certain breeds or poses that add value and enjoyment of the dragon without disrupting the game aesthetic
- gene overhauls
If a majority of people who own dragons with non-aesthetic breaking genes want them to stay the way they look now, why waste time and energy fixing them? Especially when it could just result in more backlash to deal with, and take focus away from other, more requested site additions.
If it goes for years without being fixed, and at that point people have lairs full of the "bugged" dragons because they like how they look, no you shouldn't pull the rug out from under them at that point.
If it goes for years without being fixed, and at that point people have lairs full of the "bugged" dragons because they like how they look, no you shouldn't pull the rug out from under them at that point.
No support for ending art fixes.
The errors just need to be identified and fixed as soon as possible so the playerbase doesn't invest in the error version both monetarily and emotionally.
[quote]playerbase request it to be fixed over and over[/quote]
I, as a member of the playerbase, request that all the gene errors be fixed.
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playerbase request it to be fixed over and over
I, as a member of the playerbase, request that all the gene errors be fixed.
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[quote name="LordJeanliness" date="2022-01-01 04:02:25" ]
[quote]playerbase request it to be fixed over and over[/quote]
I, as a member of the playerbase, request that all the gene errors be fixed.
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LordJeanliness wrote on 2022-01-01 04:02:25:
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playerbase request it to be fixed over and over
I, as a member of the playerbase, request that all the gene errors be fixed.
I second this
No, if something is wrong, it should be fixed.
No, if something is wrong, it should be fixed.
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[quote name="Andraya" date="2021-12-28 13:47:06" ]Its not a bug it's a feature[/quote]
That’s basically it. It all comes back to trust. If the players think it’s a feature, you’ve led them to believe it’s a feature, and they’ve invested their hopes in it, it’s a feature. If you take the artistic liberty to “fix” the “problem” at that point, your so-called solution will do more harm than good. You’ll break the game. Good games are built on player trust. Creator vision is important, but player trust is more important. Almost always.
Andraya wrote on 2021-12-28 13:47:06:
Its not a bug it's a feature
That’s basically it. It all comes back to trust. If the players think it’s a feature, you’ve led them to believe it’s a feature, and they’ve invested their hopes in it, it’s a feature. If you take the artistic liberty to “fix” the “problem” at that point, your so-called solution will do more harm than good. You’ll break the game. Good games are built on player trust. Creator vision is important, but player trust is more important. Almost always.
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Errors should be fixed, but less obvious errors (like the recent butterfly and flair issues) should be handled on a case by case basis. Now that we have the known errors thread, hopefully it’ll be a little easier to handle these things going forward because ideally people will know their dragon might change in the future when they choose to use a gene that has a known error.
Errors should be fixed, but less obvious errors (like the recent butterfly and flair issues) should be handled on a case by case basis. Now that we have the known errors thread, hopefully it’ll be a little easier to handle these things going forward because ideally people will know their dragon might change in the future when they choose to use a gene that has a known error.
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