Flight Rising Discussion

Yesterday I was grinding in Coli and then suddenly I got a peculiar drop



A gene scroll! A parchment, rather - "Ancient Gene Parchment: Papillon" But I couldn't remember it at all, what it looks like, who can wear it, so I headed to AH. (Because database is a social construct) (it's a joke, I use it all the time, but it's usually quicker for me to look for the gene on AH dragons)

By the way, I thought for some reason it was a secondary, so I skimmed through secondaries on the ancient genes list, but nope, Papillon is a primary. I KNOW they're color coded, but I can't remember which is which qvq This silly is on me, but I wish they would put primary/secondary/tertiary in the tooltip rather then "Ancient" part ANYWAYS this is not important now

Finally I scrolled for a while through the primaries menu (why is it so long oh boy) and found it aaaand it only has an Everlux variant. Kinda underwhelming. Yeah, I get it, parchments are made in advance, so when it will get an expansion for other breeds we can swap them fast and easy, but now it's an illusion of choice, so it's a bit funny to me. Oh, and then I tried to figure it's secondary counterpart, I think it's Swallowtail lkddfgkh It's not as hard as Vipera/Hypno combo, but not 100% obvious

ANYWAYS HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY
There are so many ancients and their genes, and moderns are getting updates all the time, so I'm constantly discovering and forgetting new genes. I just can't remember. I don't know which genes belong to which breed, can't remember their counterparts, can't remember how they look, don't know cool color combos they might have. Sometimes I want to see how a particular gene looks on other breed and - surprise-surprise! it's not available for this breed! Wait for next expansion, it may or may not be in there. (I swear there was Wolf for Gaos but it's an Undertide exclusive???)
And all the menus with the genes? They are now kilometer long, as well as ancient genes marketplace section. I know devs are trying to deal with it, like, they separated ancients from moderns categories, they did GlassGloss, but ancient's genes are still way too overwhelming :(

NOW'S A QUESTION
Do you find ancient's genes overwhelming? If you remember how they all look like and to whom they belong to... please, teach me your ways :'D Is there a mnemonic trick for it? Or you just don't care for any other breeds except for your favs?
And most importantly, what would you do with ancient's gene bloat if you were a dev?
OH and also. Do you dread the upcoming Wind ancient? Because I certainly do :'D And we might also be getting an unaligned or two-elements breed beside that, so, yeah...

This topic is not in the suggestions because I have nothing to suggest except maybe for parchments to have prim/sec/tert in tooltip, I'm kinda concerned about me getting out of loop, so I mostly just wanted to nag lkj;dg

Uhm, while I do agree with your rambling of waaaaaay too many different genes on ancient breeds we do got Game Database for that reason - as well as the search function in marketplace, ah and game database.

I can't help with remembering which gene belongs to who. I spend a lot of time in the scrying workshop, so over time my brain just mentally stored that information in the crevices of my brain. Say I get a Sailfish drop from the Coliseum, I intuitively know that it's a primary gene that Sandsurges and Dusthides can display. It's just getting super familiar with each of the genes that each breed has. Though I can see how that can be overwhelming for some.

@Neoseptem
I mean, those QoL things are great, I use Game Database all the times actually, but it won't lessen my disappointment about Wolf being an Undertide exclusive :'D

While I kinda agree that it’s tricky to remember which Ancient has what gene, that’s kinda.. what the database is for, haha! Always good to get in the habit of using it— especially since before we had the FR database we had to either dig through forum guides or the fanmade database in a website that’s blocked here.

The gene bloat is simply something that we’ll (unfortunately) have to deal with until we get to the point where all dragon breeds finally have matching genes. But.. we’ll probably never get to that ‘completion’ point because staff keeps pumping out new dragon breeds.

@icepunk
Database is a life-saver, but the thing is - I wouldn't have known Papillon gene even exists if it hadn't dropped yesterday. And yeah, I agree, checking genes straight on AH is kinda stupid habit of mine sdklsflkjj

Also. I don't think we'll EVER get all genes for all breeds, because some genes are pretty clearly are not ment for other breeds. Like, Everluxe's Harp only works because their central horn. I mean... They can add horns liberally on other breeds, ok. But Luxes also have Eclosion and I struggle a lot trying to imagine Gaoler with Eclosion :'D

Thinking about how we will have to wait actual years for all of the ancients to get all the fest genes..... pain. suffering even.


I just want everyone to get chorus/choir aaaaaa

personally, I remember most ancient genes, just because I spend way too long in the scrying workshop. I have too much spare time on my hands lol.

it helps if you're around for an ancient release. for like a week after release, Dragon Share is just wall-to-wall "scry my clanbound hatches pls" and I get a lot of practice in. even after that initial period wears off, a new ancient is like a new toy, and for the next couple months I will often default to scrying anyone's g1 as the new ancient/new genes because it's fun and exciting.

my recall isn't perfect. for instance, everluxes have swallowtail and silkspot and I can never remember which is which. also I recently spent a ton of time refreshing the treasure MP for display before I consulted the game database and found out it was Baldwin. but in general I feel like I know my way around the scryshop, and can't want for more ancient genes to be parallel ported.

lastly, I am excited for the wind ancient! though with slight reservations because everluxes still feel brand new to me. I wish they'd slow down the breed release cycle a bit and give each breed more time to settle. but I know I'll be hyped when it comes. I already have a few dragons in reserve just waiting/hoping they'll scry well as the wind ancient.

@Achaius
oh I see! I'm there for every ancient launch, but I don't go to Dragon Share much. I'm not really into sCrying and only spend a couple of tries on each dragon ahha. Have to do it more thoroughly and more often :D

Oh yeah, many new genes are mixing up for me @_@ I can't tell one heavily-spotted gene from another lkgdgfjsf;glj I need more experience with these oof

As for the Wind ancient, I'm actually excited for it, too! I vibe with the Wind, my fav breed (Spirals) are Wind! So I ACTUALLY want to see it! I'm scared for new genes (but I think they will be AWESOME, esp terts). But I don't think devs will pump it soon-soon, like before Windfest, probably. I think they'll be out before FR anniversary, tho so it's a plenty of time before then. And many players think devs will slow with new breeds down after Wind ancient, and I can totally see it

Yeah it’s genuinely hard to keep track of. I mostly do ok because I’ve been around for years and only have to learn a new gene every couple months but if I was a new player? I’d nope out through sheer overwhelm. Also, FR’s a game for fun; sometimes I just refuse to dig through the database to find info that should be right in the tooltip. It’s needlessly inaccessible and honestly a huge mistake to rely on community-made guides, many of which will eventually go defunct/never be found by players who don’t think to check the forums for guides.

We desperately need:

- a visual masterlist of which genes are available for which breed in the encyclopedia
- optional icons/color coding—something that delineates gene pairs in the scrying workshop
- to have genes organized by rarity in the scrying workshop; this would make remembering them much easier