Suggestions

[quote name="Almedha" date="2022-06-14 16:09:20" ] That's why I settled on saying it makes a little sense. It doesn't categorically make good sense. And it does seem a bit disingenuous to say that "all dragons have" a lineage marker like a G1 does. They don't. Sure, it has a function beyond just marking. Still, you have to admit, that function is a moot point for many for whom the "none" lineage is, in fact, better; many G1's intended to be trophy customized dragons are purposely not bred for the lineage marker, and therefore their functional difference may as well not exist. [/quote] Well... My original post was talking from an angle of UI design, with an emphasis on how icons are reserved for points of important dragon information for elements that can alter a dragon's functionality. Lineage is not marked with an icon, but it does affect a dragon's functionality in the breeding mechanic. The UI was designed so that we have the parent names (and links, on the dragon page) at a glance. Those markers were designed and implemented for a functional purpose well before players assigned any value onto lineage or generation. (and since all accounts start with progenitor dragons who have no parents, the "none" distinction was important from the very start.) User play styles evolved and subjective values changed in the player base (as happens within any game economy), but I believe the presentation remains just as valid.

Seems like a lot of work for a marker that so few dragons would even have... Is there even such a thing as dragons who hatches and then their owner(s) never do anything with them? Not even change their genes?? I know I wouldn't use such a thing, I can't think of a single dragon I've owned who would fit the bill.

[quote name="ColonelChicken" date="2022-06-16 07:20:00" ] Seems like a lot of work for a marker that so few dragons would even have... Is there even such a thing as dragons who hatches and then their owner(s) never do anything with them? Not even change their genes?? I know I wouldn't use such a thing, I can't think of a single dragon I've owned who would fit the bill. [/quote] I know two of my five first page dragons for that bill. I bought them hours old and I've never changed them. Twenty-five of the dragons on the next page are the same story, or I hatched them myself. Have you really changed the genes of a hundred dragons? You haven't found a single dragon that you bought and liked as-is?

I agree with Ironbeast. People will use this to say Identical Dragon A is better than Identical Dragon B and is therefore worth more prestige/treasure/ego/whatever. We saw it with the terminology used during similar suggestions after the eyepocalypse fix. There simply is no way this won't be used for elitism, which is why I'll never support it.

[quote name="gemajgall" date="2022-06-16 08:46:15" ] I agree with Ironbeast. People will use this to say Identical Dragon A is better than Identical Dragon B and is therefore worth more prestige/treasure/ego/whatever. We saw it with the terminology used during similar suggestions after the eyepocalypse fix. There simply is no way this won't be used for elitism, which is why I'll never support it. [/quote] This means we are fine with the exclusive elitism for only G1/raffle dragons, only old dragons, and only the literal one in a hundred million dragons. There is no way for G2+ dragons to be worth the prestige/treasure/ego/whatever. We already have dragons that are visually identical to one another that are "better" in that they are worth more. I'm not pressed about it, but if this type of exclusivity is bad because it's one that G2+ dragons only can participate in, then I guess it is.

[quote name="ColonelChicken" date="2022-06-16 07:20:00" ] Seems like a lot of work for a marker that so few dragons would even have... Is there even such a thing as dragons who hatches and then their owner(s) never do anything with them? Not even change their genes?? I know I wouldn't use such a thing, I can't think of a single dragon I've owned who would fit the bill. [/quote] I usually buy dragons that are 'complete' as is. Only when new genes come out do I look to see if the dragon might look better with the new genes, but rarely have change it. The issue with the 'elitism' with gen1s and that is that is a player run market based upon a functionality of the dragon. In pretty much every site I have played, the players will find *some* way of creating 'elitism', whether it means obtaining only 'gen1s' or 'customs' or 'max stats' or whatever. Gen1s have an indicator because that is a indicator of their functionality. A non-bred gen1 can breed with every single dragon on site that is the opposite sex. Gen2+ and bred dragons have further restrictions on who they can breed with. Old dragons are, again, a player market. Just as Special ID dragons are. This is again the same on most sites I have played, where people are willing to pay extra for these dragons. But, again, ID is a site function to identify that dragon. An indicator that only said 'hey, at some point in this dragons' existence on site, someone applied *something* to it' does nothing. It indicates no unique function of that dragon, it isn't something that the site needs to identify the dragon. The main, and nearly only, reason to add it (especially as opposed to an optional 'log' of changes that people can completely opt out of/wipe) is to try to create a player run market for 'unchanged' dragons. In addition it would both bolster the whole issue of the 'natural primal' market that was brought up when the eye vials were brought out, and it would upset people who have 'natural special eyed' dragons because it would now mean those primal gen1s? can't be gened. Otherwise there would be no indicator that they didn't have a primal vial applied along with the genes. Which would most likely lead to the suggestion to have the ability to indicate WHAT was done to a dragon (did it have an eye vial applied? Gene Changed? Breed Changed? what), which then DOES lead to issues with elitism about which dragons are 'better'. I would support an optional log for each dragon that was visible only to the owner of the dragon and that could be wiped clean (as in even if you gave the dragon to someone else, THEY couldn't see what you wiped). It could have things like 'hatched on XXX' 'Applied Guardian Breed Change on YYY' and things like that. If someone didn't want that to be logged, they could turn it completely off (not recorded in 'secret' but just not recorded at all) and wipe it from dragons they obtain (orthat they had recording before they decided to turn it off).