Drawing out a couple of my dragons with their given stats for length and wingspan. Things just don't add up here...
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Both of those Wildclaws are full grown adults! Granted, Vune is a midget and is near the shortest possible length but it's still ridiculous! Does this bother anyone else? With such hard rules for length and wingspan it means only the smallest of the breed can ever realistically fly (for breeds capable of flight). This makes it ridiculously hard to find a good wind rep as a wc only lair not to mention carrier drags whose sole clan job is to deliver messages/transport goods via flight.
Bonus quesiton; who has a WC under 3.62m long?
Drawing out a couple of my dragons with their given stats for length and wingspan. Things just don't add up here...
Both of those Wildclaws are full grown adults! Granted, Vune is a midget and is near the shortest possible length but it's still ridiculous! Does this bother anyone else? With such hard rules for length and wingspan it means only the smallest of the breed can ever realistically fly (for breeds capable of flight). This makes it ridiculously hard to find a good wind rep as a wc only lair not to mention carrier drags whose sole clan job is to deliver messages/transport goods via flight.
Bonus quesiton; who has a WC under 3.62m long?
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The numbers for dragon sizes are randomly generated within given ranges for each breed, so it's possible to end up with some funky numbers. There's a thread out there somewhere with a masterpost of average and record dragon sizes.
One of my fae, for example, has a wingspan about half her body length so I don't know how well she can realistically fly. But since they're just arbitrary numbers we're free to ignore them lore-wise. (Though I do find it funny that by the numbers, my clan leader is one of the smallest fae in my lair, period.)
The numbers for dragon sizes are randomly generated within given ranges for each breed, so it's possible to end up with some funky numbers. There's a thread out there somewhere with a masterpost of average and record dragon sizes.
One of my fae, for example, has a wingspan about half her body length so I don't know how well she can realistically fly. But since they're just arbitrary numbers we're free to ignore them lore-wise. (Though I do find it funny that by the numbers, my clan leader is one of the smallest fae in my lair, period.)
You and 99% of this site forget 2 key items before determining whether your dragons can fly or not?
Thing 1: SORNIETH IS NOT EARTH ...ergo the laws of SORNIETH aviation can differ from Earth's meaning that larger creatures can indeed fly. (Like how humans are 5X lighter on the moon)
Thing 2: MAGIC As a creature who lives in an obviously magic based world, who can spit elemental magics at whim? Obviously they can use their innate magics to fly? Or perhaps they use something else to lift off and stay lifted and use their wings only to steer? There is a fake documentary about dragons. It says that they lived on earth and used methane in a special air bladder to achieve lift (and that methane also was the fuel for them to breathe fire).
Believe what you want but jeezus I feel like I'm the only one that makes the MAGIC and NOT EARTH connections. Especially when the site lore says only snappers and bogs cant fly/dislike flying. Ergo there MUST be something about Sornieth that makes it so Imps and all them other fellas can fly regardless of size? Unless you are trying to say that the site admins know nothing about what they cooked up out of their own imaginations?
You and 99% of this site forget 2 key items before determining whether your dragons can fly or not?
Thing 1: SORNIETH IS NOT EARTH ...ergo the laws of SORNIETH aviation can differ from Earth's meaning that larger creatures can indeed fly. (Like how humans are 5X lighter on the moon)
Thing 2: MAGIC As a creature who lives in an obviously magic based world, who can spit elemental magics at whim? Obviously they can use their innate magics to fly? Or perhaps they use something else to lift off and stay lifted and use their wings only to steer? There is a fake documentary about dragons. It says that they lived on earth and used methane in a special air bladder to achieve lift (and that methane also was the fuel for them to breathe fire).
Believe what you want but jeezus I feel like I'm the only one that makes the MAGIC and NOT EARTH connections. Especially when the site lore says only snappers and bogs cant fly/dislike flying. Ergo there MUST be something about Sornieth that makes it so Imps and all them other fellas can fly regardless of size? Unless you are trying to say that the site admins know nothing about what they cooked up out of their own imaginations?
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3.52 m = Until now I did not know that he was a small-claw.
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[quote name="VermontVampyre" date=2017-09-27 18:04:33]
Believe what you want but jeezus I feel like I'm the only one that makes the MAGIC and NOT EARTH connections. Especially when the site lore says only snappers and bogs cant fly/dislike flying. Ergo there MUST be something about Sornieth that makes it so Imps and all them other fellas can fly regardless of size? Unless you are trying to say that the site admins know nothing about what they cooked up out of their own imaginations?
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jeez dude, calm down. they were just pointing out some funky proportions....
AHEM. for the actual thread-
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I have this fella, Conquest. Hes big, [size=3][b]fierce[/b][/size], [size=6][b]and...[/b][/size]
Length
31.11M
Wingspan
15.67M
oh....
he has to flap his wings like that caterpillar from A Bugs Life.
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or maybe....
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Believe what you want but jeezus I feel like I'm the only one that makes the MAGIC and NOT EARTH connections. Especially when the site lore says only snappers and bogs cant fly/dislike flying. Ergo there MUST be something about Sornieth that makes it so Imps and all them other fellas can fly regardless of size? Unless you are trying to say that the site admins know nothing about what they cooked up out of their own imaginations?
jeez dude, calm down. they were just pointing out some funky proportions....
AHEM. for the actual thread-
I have this fella, Conquest. Hes big, fierce, and...
Length
31.11M
Wingspan
15.67M
oh....
he has to flap his wings like that caterpillar from A Bugs Life.
or maybe....
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[quote name="VermontVampyre" date=2017-09-27 18:04:33]
Believe what you want but jeezus I feel like I'm the only one that makes the MAGIC and NOT EARTH connections. Especially when the site lore says only snappers and bogs cant fly/dislike flying. Ergo there MUST be something about Sornieth that makes it so Imps and all them other fellas can fly regardless of size? Unless you are trying to say that the site admins know nothing about what they cooked up out of their own imaginations?
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Woah there, I think that was a bit uncalled for?
Believe what you want but jeezus I feel like I'm the only one that makes the MAGIC and NOT EARTH connections. Especially when the site lore says only snappers and bogs cant fly/dislike flying. Ergo there MUST be something about Sornieth that makes it so Imps and all them other fellas can fly regardless of size? Unless you are trying to say that the site admins know nothing about what they cooked up out of their own imaginations?
Woah there, I think that was a bit uncalled for?
@Serpenthyne
I know, that's kinda my point. Because it's all randomly generated it results in some weirdly proportioned dragons! If only dragons lengths didn't include the tails!
@VermontVampyre
What the hell is up with your attitude? I didn't forget anything, you just [b]assumed[/b] I did. No, Sornieth is not earth. It has 1.5x the circumference of earth but "slightly" less gravity. I saw that documentary many times being the dragon enthusiast that I am. The ONLY reason they could fly was because of the methane stomachs. Their wings alone were not enough. There has been no indication that any breed has such an organ.
What about there being magic means dragons with short wings can fly? Please tell me how Isha can fly with those tiny wings and her weight of over 1,400lbs. The only thing I've ever seen lore wise that could justify this would be unicorn dust; [item=unicorn dust]. If their flight is partially magic (ex. as in Eragon) than fine, I'll accept that without issue, but that's never been said. We have no hard rules on how magic works on Sornieth and I find it silly and a bit of a cop-out to let magic explain and allow anything.
Imps have an even bigger issue since their lore and listed stats go against each other. They're said to have impressively large wings yet many have very tiny wings. Bogsneaks and snappers are the only breeds in which no one can fly. For other breeds, given their listed stats it would seem some can but not all. Vune certainly can, but I see no way Isha could. It's amusing considering official art for flying breeds show dragons with wingspans at least double their length yet very few do. And that's all I'm saying, I find this amusing, as in funny, as in "haha, look at these silly dragons! How are they flying?". No need to get upset at how other players take canon lore and stats into their playstyle.
Until we have official lore on dragon flight I'll be going more on realism rather than assuming magic rules that may or may not exist.
I know, that's kinda my point. Because it's all randomly generated it results in some weirdly proportioned dragons! If only dragons lengths didn't include the tails!
What the hell is up with your attitude? I didn't forget anything, you just assumed I did. No, Sornieth is not earth. It has 1.5x the circumference of earth but "slightly" less gravity. I saw that documentary many times being the dragon enthusiast that I am. The ONLY reason they could fly was because of the methane stomachs. Their wings alone were not enough. There has been no indication that any breed has such an organ.
What about there being magic means dragons with short wings can fly? Please tell me how Isha can fly with those tiny wings and her weight of over 1,400lbs. The only thing I've ever seen lore wise that could justify this would be unicorn dust;
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. If their flight is partially magic (ex. as in Eragon) than fine, I'll accept that without issue, but that's never been said. We have no hard rules on how magic works on Sornieth and I find it silly and a bit of a cop-out to let magic explain and allow anything.
Imps have an even bigger issue since their lore and listed stats go against each other. They're said to have impressively large wings yet many have very tiny wings. Bogsneaks and snappers are the only breeds in which no one can fly. For other breeds, given their listed stats it would seem some can but not all. Vune certainly can, but I see no way Isha could. It's amusing considering official art for flying breeds show dragons with wingspans at least double their length yet very few do. And that's all I'm saying, I find this amusing, as in funny, as in "haha, look at these silly dragons! How are they flying?". No need to get upset at how other players take canon lore and stats into their playstyle.
Until we have official lore on dragon flight I'll be going more on realism rather than assuming magic rules that may or may not exist.
Nobody wants to tell you why discipline is so important. Discipline is the strongest form of self-love. It is ignoring current pleasures for bigger rewards to come. It's loving yourself enough to give yourself everything you've ever wanted.
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Nobody wants to tell you why discipline is so important. Discipline is the strongest form of self-love. It is ignoring current pleasures for bigger rewards to come. It's loving yourself enough to give yourself everything you've ever wanted.
[quote name="VermontVampyre" date=2017-09-27 18:04:33]
You and 99% of this site forget 2 key items before determining whether your dragons can fly or not?
Thing 1: SORNIETH IS NOT EARTH ...ergo the laws of SORNIETH aviation can differ from Earth's meaning that larger creatures can indeed fly. (Like how humans are 5X lighter on the moon)
Thing 2: MAGIC As a creature who lives in an obviously magic based world, who can spit elemental magics at whim? Obviously they can use their innate magics to fly? Or perhaps they use something else to lift off and stay lifted and use their wings only to steer? There is a fake documentary about dragons. It says that they lived on earth and used methane in a special air bladder to achieve lift (and that methane also was the fuel for them to breathe fire).
Believe what you want but jeezus I feel like I'm the only one that makes the MAGIC and NOT EARTH connections. Especially when the site lore says only snappers and bogs cant fly/dislike flying. Ergo there MUST be something about Sornieth that makes it so Imps and all them other fellas can fly regardless of size? Unless you are trying to say that the site admins know nothing about what they cooked up out of their own imaginations?
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The salt is real.
You and 99% of this site forget 2 key items before determining whether your dragons can fly or not?
Thing 1: SORNIETH IS NOT EARTH ...ergo the laws of SORNIETH aviation can differ from Earth's meaning that larger creatures can indeed fly. (Like how humans are 5X lighter on the moon)
Thing 2: MAGIC As a creature who lives in an obviously magic based world, who can spit elemental magics at whim? Obviously they can use their innate magics to fly? Or perhaps they use something else to lift off and stay lifted and use their wings only to steer? There is a fake documentary about dragons. It says that they lived on earth and used methane in a special air bladder to achieve lift (and that methane also was the fuel for them to breathe fire).
Believe what you want but jeezus I feel like I'm the only one that makes the MAGIC and NOT EARTH connections. Especially when the site lore says only snappers and bogs cant fly/dislike flying. Ergo there MUST be something about Sornieth that makes it so Imps and all them other fellas can fly regardless of size? Unless you are trying to say that the site admins know nothing about what they cooked up out of their own imaginations?
The salt is real.
To be totally honest... I really ignore the "canon" sizes of my dragons and just headcanon them whatever size I want. xD
After all, they are literally just random numbers. They have nothing to do with "laws of Sornieth" or anything like that. Because I'm pretty sure "It's just random" is a pretty terrible law.
Which is weird, considering that, canonically, we know that dragons do have genes and species that they pass down, but for some reason this doesn't apply to size? Those only in a yes/no sort of way. Why don't sizes work like that? Like, why aren't little dragon kids exactly the same size (maybe to proportion, if a different species) as their parents like genes do? Granted, it would make way more sense if size worked more to a range like colors do. But that's not how it works either, apparently. Even these are both already "laws" established in Sornieth biology.
As in... no need to get testy over it. Not only is Sornieth apparently not all that physically different from Earth, it doesn't even follow its own rules in regards to size.
Here's my own weirdo. He's big, with tiny wings, and is fairly chunky for a Tundra. That's okay, though. More to hug, you know.
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EDIT:
OKAY but I was now playing around with the [url=https://emcall.github.io/dragonsizes/]dragon-sizes visualizer thing[/url] and it turns out that this mother/daughter duo is... hilarious. Turns out the mother is the smallest Guardian in my lair by [i]a lot[/i]. Her daughter is the third longest, longer than her mother by 8 meters. But their wings? Just about the same size. Her mother's wings are about half a meter longer.
This is hilarious.
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To be totally honest... I really ignore the "canon" sizes of my dragons and just headcanon them whatever size I want. xD
After all, they are literally just random numbers. They have nothing to do with "laws of Sornieth" or anything like that. Because I'm pretty sure "It's just random" is a pretty terrible law.
Which is weird, considering that, canonically, we know that dragons do have genes and species that they pass down, but for some reason this doesn't apply to size? Those only in a yes/no sort of way. Why don't sizes work like that? Like, why aren't little dragon kids exactly the same size (maybe to proportion, if a different species) as their parents like genes do? Granted, it would make way more sense if size worked more to a range like colors do. But that's not how it works either, apparently. Even these are both already "laws" established in Sornieth biology.
As in... no need to get testy over it. Not only is Sornieth apparently not all that physically different from Earth, it doesn't even follow its own rules in regards to size.
Here's my own weirdo. He's big, with tiny wings, and is fairly chunky for a Tundra. That's okay, though. More to hug, you know.
EDIT:
OKAY but I was now playing around with the dragon-sizes visualizer thing and it turns out that this mother/daughter duo is... hilarious. Turns out the mother is the smallest Guardian in my lair by a lot. Her daughter is the third longest, longer than her mother by 8 meters. But their wings? Just about the same size. Her mother's wings are about half a meter longer.
This is hilarious.
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