Flight Rising Discussion

@Dragoness, and given that you can't read tone over text, someone could wind up assuming you're all hot and bothered or snarking them when in reality you're not.

Very true. Sometimes dogged pursuits of discussion are interpreted by others as "someone getting on my case" xD

[quote name="Technicolor" date="2013-06-23 15:14:22" url="main.php?p=mb&board=frd&page=3&id=134582#137294"]@Bloodspun Holy smokes good job, you've got this site by the reigns. You must lay waste to those runes/puzzles, [b]but unfortunately not everyone's good at them[/b]. I think that's where part of our problem lies. I hope the new games coming offer a little more range of play for others.[/quote] ^This. I'm not good at memory games, and jigsaws only infuriate me. I only really use fairgrounds to top off my money if I'm short on a payment. But, even then, without selling any hatchlings (I just traded them for unrelated ones), I've managed to earn about 150k so far. Grinding in the coli really pays off when they drop an in-demand ability or familiar. My experience with petsites? Sometimes, breeding is too easy. Wajas and Khimeros were such sites. People breed just to breed, and ultimately only Gen1s and [i]maybe[/i] Gen2s have any significant value. With the only feasable way to get Gen1s being to shell out a bunch of real money for them, the site becomes inaccessible to most users and you're still unable to reach your goals. Other sites, reaching your goals is too easy. I joined one petsite, and within a month all my goals had been reached. I got bored and quit. Then you have the sites that hook you. Reaching your goals is almost never too easy or too hard. Windrose, Aywas, and Dragon Cave have been like that for me. Interestingly enough, all three of those sites have limits on breeding. Windrose requires somewhat rare items and a few random events to breed, Aywas has breeding items that can get pretty expensive, and Dragon Cave has ratios that influence the outcome of a breeding based on how many of the breed are on the site. In addition, breeding is not the main focus of Windrose or Aywas. Both have a focus on getting Gen1s via gameplay and scheduled events. On those sites, Gen2+s tend to be just as valuable as Gen1s. On Dragon Cave, the main focus is on collecting, but users often collect dragons based on their lineage. Sometimes, a Gen7 with a well planned lineage is worth more than an otherwise identical Gen1. Many values are dictated by personal preference. And, finally, the breeding cooldown: It's one week. However, you will either get one egg or no egg, except during certain special events. It sometimes takes well over a month for some of the rarer dragons to finally breed true - much longer than even the wildclaw's cooldown! And yet nobody complains. Back to FR: It's harder to get baby dragons, so they're worth more. But if you simply reduce the cooldown time, you'll have more baby dragons that end up being worth less. If you must reduce breeding cooldown, the only way to keep the balance would be to make large clutches less likely.

This is an interesting discussion, and one that I don't think has an easy answer,

To be completely honest, I don't think that the cool downs are going to change at all, no matter how much people request it (even if its in a rational, well reasoned manner).

Yes it is frustrating to get a one egg clutch and have to wait so long for another shot (I have just got 3/4 clutches as one eggers, one of them was on a snapper/pearlcatcher nest that I had to work hard to save up and earn the scrolls for).

Despite this disappointment, I still don't think I'd vote for changing the cool downs. Its part of the game, and it makes getting a good clutch/nice looking hatchies more rewarding for me.

I guess people are wanting something like this:
Maybe winning or having a rare item or a scroll to confer a shorter cool down, or reduce the chances of one clutch eggs? I know there are already 'fertility statues' that you can dig up, so kinda like that but they have a real effect on your clan or a certain dragon?

In suggesting the above though, I really doubt that the devs would put something in like that. They have already said there would never be a 'get rid of cool down' boon so yeah, doubt it will ever happen.

The point about people needing to be able to express honest concerns/complaints is a true one, its horrid that the person on FB acted like this. It is true that the admins are lovely people, who don't deserve irrational hatebashing for things out of their control, but its also true that they are setting this site up to run as a business, and dealing with unhappt customers is a part of that. They will have things in mind for it too, but if hyper-defensive fans step in and start offending people then they are denying the devs the chance to deal with it properly and everyone ends up offened.

I have nothing to complain about so far, and I'm glad that I supported the game at the kickstarter, but if pepple have legit complaints then surely part of having a friendly community is those people being allowed to speak without being flammed?

I haven't followed the entire thread but there is always the problem of sheer numbers, the math and the system behind it.

The economy just wouldn't be able to sustain such a huge influx of dragons if breeding goes so fast. It's already an exponential increase as is. If you think about all of the users and all of the thousands of dragons well - in the long run, it will produce a lot of problems.

I don't see the point of shortening the breeding cooldown when within a month or two, dragons are going to be so plentiful that everyone is going to be able to have a full lair and full nests practically every day.

I also don't see the point of people complaining that they have no treasure because they don't have any time to do anything on the site. The game model, free to play with cash shop, supports two playstyles: people who have time as their main resource, who become competitive in the game by spending time on it, and people who have money as their main resource, who have less time to spend on the game but become competitive by spending money on it. Ideally the people who have only time and the people who have only money should be fairly equal in the game. I feel that Flight Rising is pretty close to this ideal and is inclusive of damn near everyone who wants to play. If you don't fit into the game model because you have neither time nor money, you are probably not to blame for that, but neither is Flight Rising's game model.

@Fulgora, since I'm one of the ones who mentions instant gratification:

There have not only been rational discussions on the matter, there have also been "well this is boring, they're too long!" with comparisons to other pet sites.

It gets old.

And, yeah, my first two nests were one and two eggs respectively. It was disappointing but I made it work because I was well aware the site was new, the mechanic was new, the population was new and just starting out, everything was new and I also knew it was working as intended and to keep faith that the devs had a plan. I also listened to the alpha and beta testers and devs who promised it would get better and it is.

Basically, if you (GENERAL) won't give it a chance for it to work as intended because you aren't getting what you want right then and there, it really starts to feel like a demand for instant gratification.