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January 16, 2024 16:54:34

@ReactorFour I can! Since it's just color-picking, it's pretty easy to do. Although, I'm going to have to change the icon, since apparently the word is okay but not the religious imagery of the cross? So let me know if you have ideas of what to replace it with, and I'll see if I'm able to make it into a new icon

@fluffmoth Ohh, I see. I didn't realize you originally didn't want them here, I'm sorry for involving you with this :/
"please avoid sharing what i've said as if it's official information" Noted! I did so originally because it would have felt redundant to ask staff myself since somebody had already asked, but I see now that it might've been better to check myself if in doubt

@Aequorin Hello! Sorry about the tag by the way. I post my buttons on Tumblr for hosting purposes only originally, and only tagged them as 'flight rising' to make them easier for me to find later on my own blog - since I don't usually interact with the FR community on Tumblr, it hadn't occurred to me how public that made my posts. I'll likely used the X-Kit tag replacer to change the tag to something more specific to myself (such as 'fract flight rising' or something like that) so as to avoid making things this public in the future when they are not intended to be. (Edit: Update: Done! Replaced it with the new tag I mentioned above. It should help keep these kinds of posts less public so it doesn't attract as many people next time, but you'll still be able to look the tag up if needed, since I make buttons regularly.)
I'll be making buttons to replace these ones as well, since the icon counts as religious imagery (Edit: Currently thinking I may make versions with the Flight symbols of the users asking for the buttons - would that be okay?)

@Bashett Apparently the cross symbol itself is going to be an issue though (hadn't realized that religious imagery counted), so I'm probably going to be taking my original post down or editing it or something with new buttons that follow site rules more closely. It won't break the link, but let me know what kind of symbol you think would work best to replace it if you have any ideas

Last edited on Jan 16, 2024 17:14:47 by Fractee

@ReactorFour @Bashett Or - I just realized, but if you want I can just make versions that have the icon for your respective Flights. Like, a button that says 'catholic' but has the shadow or the lightning icon. Since buttons with these icons already exist (just with different text), that could be a short solution for me and one that should efficiently avoid risking imagery that is too religious for the site rules. (I'm still open to other suggestions though, if you come up with something that isn't really catholic but evokes it for you personally, or that you think would otherwise look good on your profile. I'm still bad at pixel art, but I can always try)

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January 16, 2024 17:11:38

@ReactorFour @Bashett Or - I just realized, but if you want I can just make versions that have the icon for your respective Flights. Like, a button that says 'catholic' but has the shadow or the lightning icon. Since buttons with these icons already exist (just with different text), that could be a short solution for me and one that should efficiently avoid risking imagery that is too religious for the site rules. (I'm still open to other suggestions though, if you come up with something that isn't really catholic but evokes it for you personally, or that you think would otherwise look good on your profile. I'm still bad at pixel art, but I can always try)

@Fractee : hey, no worries! i was thinking just the lightning flag/emblem we already have with the word 'Catholic' too if that is alright with you? :} thank you very much for your kindness in wanting to make these, i hope it hasn't been too stressful for you [emoji=familiar heart size=1]

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January 16, 2024 19:25:46

@Fractee : hey, no worries! i was thinking just the lightning flag/emblem we already have with the word 'Catholic' too if that is alright with you? :} thank you very much for your kindness in wanting to make these, i hope it hasn't been too stressful for you

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@ReactorFour No problem! Thank you to you too for being so flexible with the request! Will probably be tackling this in a couple of days at most :)

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January 16, 2024 20:01:37

@ReactorFour No problem! Thank you to you too for being so flexible with the request! Will probably be tackling this in a couple of days at most :)

Another idea could be to have a heart as the icon? Not to hard to draw (probably + we probably already have buttons I can base myself on + fairly generic)

(Don't mind me, I'm just brainstorming in case someone wants alternatives)

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January 16, 2024 20:03:58

Another idea could be to have a heart as the icon? Not to hard to draw (probably + we probably already have buttons I can base myself on + fairly generic)

(Don't mind me, I'm just brainstorming in case someone wants alternatives)

Hi @Fractee!

Overall, we're not thrilled about players using real world religion-specific buttons, as it formalizes a topic we are not equipped to moderate on our website. When it comes to our art/IP, we are a game focused on breeding 2D pixel dragons, based in a fantasy world. To answer your question, our IP and artwork has never been directly associated with any real-world religion and we do not want it to be, even in buttons.

And on a more general note for everyone: The most important point that I want to make clear is that this standpoint (about our art, religious imagery, buttons) is for the protection and long-term well-being of our community and players. In this case, once an artist starts accepting commissions for religious buttons, they must be willing to accommodate all religious groups. If someone reports to us that their religious group was discriminated against, our Support team must then investigate the report under our Rules & Policies. I want to make sure anyone involved understands the liability that they are exposing themselves to under our rules. To be clear: A player absolutely may choose to share their personal religion, religious choice, or identity in their Clan Profile or forum signature. There's a significant difference between when a player posts text in their own profile or forum signature, and staff being contacted for formal permission/endorsement of stylized buttons for religious affiliations.

And yes, ideally this is a topic we'd typically reroute to Contact Us, but the potential for the artists to be harassed over this topic is significant which is why I want you to have public-facing staff posts to point to, for your own safety. I know that these seem like harmless identity buttons, but please remember that there is a lot that you do not see as our team performs our daily tasks of moderating and administrating our website.

I hope this answers any remaining questions and addresses any lingering concerns regarding this issue. Thank you.

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January 17, 2024 09:56:26

Hi @Fractee!

Overall, we're not thrilled about players using real world religion-specific buttons, as it formalizes a topic we are not equipped to moderate on our website. When it comes to our art/IP, we are a game focused on breeding 2D pixel dragons, based in a fantasy world. To answer your question, our IP and artwork has never been directly associated with any real-world religion and we do not want it to be, even in buttons.

And on a more general note for everyone: The most important point that I want to make clear is that this standpoint (about our art, religious imagery, buttons) is for the protection and long-term well-being of our community and players. In this case, once an artist starts accepting commissions for religious buttons, they must be willing to accommodate all religious groups. If someone reports to us that their religious group was discriminated against, our Support team must then investigate the report under our Rules & Policies. I want to make sure anyone involved understands the liability that they are exposing themselves to under our rules. To be clear: A player absolutely may choose to share their personal religion, religious choice, or identity in their Clan Profile or forum signature. There's a significant difference between when a player posts text in their own profile or forum signature, and staff being contacted for formal permission/endorsement of stylized buttons for religious affiliations.

And yes, ideally this is a topic we'd typically reroute to Contact Us, but the potential for the artists to be harassed over this topic is significant which is why I want you to have public-facing staff posts to point to, for your own safety. I know that these seem like harmless identity buttons, but please remember that there is a lot that you do not see as our team performs our daily tasks of moderating and administrating our website.

I hope this answers any remaining questions and addresses any lingering concerns regarding this issue. Thank you.

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@Aequorin I'm sorry for pinging you again, I just wanted a clarification on something, so as to make sure I understand this fully to avoid being unclear on this in the future :/ Just wanted to ask, by "To answer your question, our IP and artwork has never been directly associated with any real-world religion and we do not want it to be, even in buttons", Do you mean that having the flight icons on the buttons, right next to the name of a religion for instance, may accidentally associate your website with the religion and come off as endorsement to some people, which could cause problems? If so, would for instance a heart symbol with simply a color palette that matches the different flight be okay, since it is a lot harder to associate with the artworks that are specific to this website and its lore? (Since it seems allowed, I'd like to be able to help others display this kind of thing on their profiles, but would rather make it as compliant with and inoffensive to the website as possible. Sorry again for all the trouble - I know I can come off as nitpicky and pedantic with all my questions, but I swear I'm not doing this on purpose to cause you problems :/ And thank you again so much for your time)

(Sorry also to fluffmoth for currently keeping the discussion here, since apparently moving it 'contact us' isn't necesarily a good idea :/)

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