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[quote name="Tserin" date="2021-01-03 17:24:37" ] As far as I know McAfee is a notoriously... not very effective AV these days so I wouldn't be surprised if something got past it. [/quote] This. I took a few IT courses in college and my information security professor said that he did not recommend McAfee at all. For removing malware, he recommended Malwarebytes, but I don't remember what (if anything, it was a long time ago so I may have forgotten) he recommended as a general antivirus to prevent malware from infecting the computer in the first place. I'm told by tech savvy people who work in IT that Windows 10's built-in antivirus is surprisingly good these days, and I've had luck with it detecting malware that another highly-rated antivirus (Avast, Avira, or Bitdefender, I forget which one) didn't detect (I didn't try Malwarebytes that time because I didn't know I had malware until I was just testing Windows 10's built-in antivirus, so I didn't think I needed to). It wasn't a false positive either, it was a legit trojan that I looked up just to be sure it wasn't a false positive. I was pretty surprised. If you have the latest update of Windows 10 and your system is up-to-date, it's worth a try. But first, I'd give Malwarebytes a try. Unlike most antiviruses, Malwarebytes can run alongside a primary antivirus and doesn't cause conflict, according to my IT buddies and experts on tech support forums. I haven't needed to use it in a while and I don't know if it's changed, so take that with a grain of salt.

I’d recommend it the other way around- run a Windows Defender full scan first since you don’t need to deal with any additional software and see if it can identify the problem, then if it’s not able to find anything download Malwarebytes (the free version is more than enough for your purposes) and have that run a full scan. Both should be able to work around McAfee but McAfee is a notorious trouble causer on all levels so it’s possible it’s blocking the routine Windows Defender scans from running properly.

[quote name="Darksilverhawk" date="2021-01-03 22:06:01" ] I’d recommend it the other way around- run a Windows Defender full scan first since you don’t need to deal with any additional software and see if it can identify the problem, then if it’s not able to find anything download Malwarebytes (the free version is more than enough for your purposes) and have that run a full scan. Both should be able to work around McAfee but McAfee is a notorious trouble causer on all levels so it’s possible it’s blocking the routine Windows Defender scans from running properly. [/quote] Good idea.

[quote name="AnpuRa" date="2021-01-04 05:34:04" ] @Darksilverhawk How do I run a scan with Defender? I found the program in my system but not seeing any options to run a scan [/quote] I think what used to be Windows Defender might be called Windows Security now. If you open that, and then press the virus & threat protection part, there should be a scan option.

[quote name="AnpuRa" date="2021-01-04 06:14:08" ] @Cinspawn All that does is open McAfee [/quote] I highly recommend you uninstall McAfee first, and you might need a guide from google to do so, as McAfee (and other antiviruses) are notorious for being hard to remove from the computer. Also @AnpuRa pinging so you see it, make sure you're opening Windows Security, not McAfee Security (as that seems to be a thing as well). But I still highly recommend uninstalling McAfee.

@AnpuRa I've got some pictures for you. Looks like when they changed it to Windows Security, they added the option to run both Windows Sec and an external AV together! When you open the Security settings, it should look like this. [img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/757456683709628426/795713558444900372/unknown.png[/img] See the options at the bottom? Click on that and you'll get this. [img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/757456683709628426/795713598725947462/unknown.png[/img] Toggle it to `On` and you'll get a pop up asking if Windows Security can modify your system. This allows it to remove any threats it finds, so say yes. The window will refresh, and now you'll have more options that look like this. [img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/757456683709628426/795713675389567026/unknown.png[/img] Open `Scan options` and you'll be presented with a list of different levels of scans. [img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/757456683709628426/795713775063400458/unknown.png[/img] You can start with the `Quick scan`, but from what I've heard of this malware, you may need to do the `Windows Defender Offline scan` if that doesn't find it. You can leave Windows Security running alongside of McAfee if you [i]really[/i] want to keep it, but like we've already said, Windows has a perfectly acceptable AV nowadays. Tagging @Cinspawn since they were also helping out.

@AnpuRa If you click on the Gear Icon you can go to Hoard Settings. Uncheck "Hoard footer will stick to the bottom of the screen while scrolling" and that should help some with the squashing. You also can click the magnifying glass to minimize/open the search menu.

It might also be helpful to review the announcement thread from the Hoard launch.

Don't feel like you wasted our time. I'm glad it (mostly) works for you now!