Suggestions

An NPC for getting eye type vials. The idea comes from reading a lot of complaints about natural eye types being barred from old dragons or most dragons in general just because they are so called natural. In the fifth anniversary lore for the new eye types it describes the eyes to be a result of magical surges so my idea for an NPC is a dragon who uses a magical item such as “a magically enchanted water basin to simply drains the magical excess from the dragon eyes where it can be bottled for a vial”. Meanwhile the dragon that went through this process has its eyes reverted to common. This npc can charge a fee for using their enchanted item as a good treasure sink. These vials come at a 1:1 ratio based off the dragon who is giving up the eye type so to speak. For special eyes like primal, faceted, goat or multi there will never be more vial than are hatched or gained by the original scattersights from the fifth anniversary. 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Same can be said for any other naturally occurring eye type and it will work the same way. Now these vials are not clanbound and the are hoard sellable. Not only are they that but each vial can be used to trade for a different rarer eye type vial with swipp (not including primal, faceted, multi, or goat.). As new eye types get added we could possibly see new eye types that require these vials for baldwin or swipp. [img]https://64.media.tumblr.com/641d01bb55f512222023d688b7f62d67/be7063dfa9de3052-26/s1280x1920/8329a76ad340a885bce81ff8a67880c7cd06ef93.jpg[/img] For example a heart eye or button eye type from swipp that could require a bunch or rare eye type vials and something from the coliseum or gathering to get. Or a baldwin eye type that requires some unusual eye vials in its recipe. This would solve the problem of older dragons not being able to get new eyes and offer a way to get these eyes on whatever dragon you wanted without decreasing their value as there wouldn’t be more special eye types like primal, multi, goat, and faceted than there are hatched naturally. As well as a good treasure sink and hopefully some ideas for spreading more eye types across site features and giving the vials other purposes like the proposed trades for new eye types added later on. Also I had an irl friend make me some art although they complained they haven’t done any art for a few years due to their depression they still gave me a concept! [img]https://64.media.tumblr.com/2b29b563aedc12b2b763fa0946fa1da8/4cd4b15e77f95465-d8/s1280x1920/f2c49339600637e9308073812155cfae0e4374fb.jpg[/img] Anyways this idea was based off things I’ve read in Alternative Methods for eyes which is another thread here in the suggestions forum. The idea of getting vials through exalting for a 1:1 ratio there but it’s often brought up that it would add more to exalting than need be by having the exalted pick between treasure or vials which can add extra clicks to the process of exalting because you would have to choose the option and it could make exalting more tedious. As well as making it confusing if an exalted dragon suddenly has common eyes or could they be exalted and restored for a second vial. An NPC with an explanation that the dragons eyes revert to common for a vial could clear this confusion and prevent more exalt harassment. Another issue I see brought up in that thread is a treasure sink and having it freely available. A treasure sink is alway good in my opinion and it’s obvious the site needs more treasure sinks anyways. While getting the vials for free from exalting even if it means not getting treasure makes them worth less I suppose but an NPC charging a fee is a treasure sink that many of us can agree would be great for the gem to treasure ratio. Last of all is having them not be completely worthless after a while is having them also be spread throughout the site. Which is where my idea for future eye types to require these vials comes from, by making the more eye type vials useful In order to get new eye types from both Baldwin and Swipp they wouldn’t necessarily be as useful as if they just started piling up over time. Which is also why having them hoard sellable is also a great option. All new natural eye types would also be included in being able to get a vial at a 1:1 ratio through this NPC as well and would only be available for as many dragons are hatched with the eye type. So say you hatch an all new natural eye type in the future the same day when more are added And you want it on a different dragon you could go to this NPC to get a vial from that dragon but it’s eyes revert to common. This way no dragon has to be completely barred from natural eyes if it wasn’t born with them. And for more special natural eye types there would be no more vials than dragons hatched with those eyes in the first place which would preserve their rarity. Also ugly primals or fodder primals could exchange their eye type for a vial and instead of being considered unlucky to get a fodder primal it could in some way still feel like getting that jackpot feeling because the own could get a vial to put on say their progens or to sell on the auction house. I’m open to read for all sorts of discussion about the topic but reminder this is just a suggestion and everything is up to staff who probably still feel the salt of how badly people reacted to only getting two goat vials.

Cue G1 primal/multigaze prices crashing to the floor and hatching a pretty primal feeling less special.

As much as I’d like for these vials to exist, I’d rather they just bring back scattervials as a coliseum drop. (I know they said before that they aren’t coming back but staff have changed their minds in the past)

This [i]sounds[/i] good, I like the concept overall. I think there should be some randomness to it a bit? Otherwise everyone would suddenly drain fodder primals just for primal vials and the overall value would depreciate. Let's remind everyone [b]this is a breeding game[/b]. The whole point is to breed dragons. 1:1 would be a bit unfair considering how natural eye types work. They're random based on a percentage. Perhaps something like Baldwin and how certain materials have a certain percentage of dropping. So let's say you drain a primal: "The magical essence was drained from -dragon-. It seems to have diluted during the process. You get a Rare Eye Vial. -dragon- now has the Common eye type." Primal Vials [i]may[/i] still appear in this method and may feel more like sacrifices with the occasional blessing. Reminds me of RNG and unhatched eggs. I would maybe like this more if it was clarified or required to only be able to [b]drain dragon eyes with special eyes[/b]. Where you're unable to take a dragon with Unusual eyes and use the water basin. I [i]personally[/i] think Multi-Gaze should be out of the picture since taking them to extract the essence would be also removing eyes from the body of the dragon? You can already replace Multi-Gaze with other vials but just imagining the extraction of multiple eyes seems painful. With vials and Swipp, I'm a bit iffy about. Those types would become quite abundant already. [quote name="Shinyumbreon" date="2021-02-02 18:58:08" ] As much as I’d like for these vials to exist, I’d rather they bring back scattervials as a coliseum drop. [/quote] ^^^ I would prefer this where they fix the scattersight so you don't get the same eye type twice in a row. You may get it again, but you won't get an uncommon eye type right after getting the uncommon eye type or if the dragon has the uncommon eye type.

Actually, if anything, the price of primal-eyed dragon of any color, specie, or gene would go up with an idea like this as players would want to use them for their primal eyes.

I would much rather either have Scattersights returned or the three common natural eye types (Uncommon, Unusual, and Rare) put into the Treasure Marketplace like Common is. It's such a simple solution that would be a great treasure sink in general.

While scatters add more special eyes than are hatched and thus decreases the value of naturally hatched special eyes dragons I like the 1:1 ratio. No to mention I don’t like the idea of scattering a dragon dozens of not a hundred times over for one eye type.

My favorite inclusion in this idea is making the vials more interesting in the vials work for other functions on the site like swipp. By having different types and then making them also tradable for new eye types with swipp or for recipes in baldwin for more new eye types. We have plenty of eye suggestions and this would be a great way to add them in like people are asking but a little more interesting as well.

While scattersights may be annoying to use several if not disheartening vials for each eye type would be boring if it weren’t for the inclusion of making them also useful elsewhere on the site. It would just be that much more exciting than scatters in my opinion.

Not to mention adding scatters back would be like a slap in the face or literally rubbing salt in the wound of the fact we were ignored during the 5th anniversary when we first brought up our concerns.

To be honest, I am not fond of an NPC, though it is better than nothing.

1. I feel it would be very confusing, on the front of 'I took a light primal dragon, why can't I give my arcane dragon light primal!?' front.

2. I also feel that it is pretty overly complicated as a solution. We don't really need another NPC for something like this, as there are a lot of other ways that I feel would be more interesting and better for the site as well.

3. One of the biggest things is that it would reduce the eye to common. I feel that would be a HUGE community divider, because players, especially younger or newer players would sell their 'special babies' and then find out that their eyes 'have been stolen'. While drama isn't really enough of a reason to not do this, I do feel it would factor in, especially as there have been ways introduced in the other thread that would have much less drama surrounding it.

All in all, if this is all we got, I would be okay with it, but I would vastly prefer Exalting for eyes with inverse rarity (IE, you exalt a primal dragon you get a primal vial all the time, but as the eyes become more common to breed for, the chance of getting one from exalting goes down), because it would incentivize exalting (and I think it should count for dom and the player should get the treasure as well), and it would allow the dragons to 'keep their eyes' so there wouldn't be 'my baby had its eyes stolen' (yes there would be 'someone exalted my baby! but we get that now). Plus, it would potentially lift the value of random non-gen1 fodder level dragons because players would want them for the eye vials they could obtain. The last reason is that exalting would tie it directly to breeding/hatching, so that the number of natural eyed dragons on site would never exceed* the number of dragons hatched (*There is potential that someone could use their once in three months unexalt option to get two vials, but that could be dealt with in other ways, if it is considered a big problem)

Alternatively to the exalt drop could be an exalt shop, which is something I want regardless of whether we get eye vials in it. Natural eye vials could be stuck in there for varying points. This would tie it somewhat to breeding, as you could, naturally, only exalt dragons that have been hatched, but it has the potential to increase the number of primals (which is usually the eye type people don't want to be available except through breeding) far beyond the number hatched, since players could exalt thousands of non-primal dragons to buy a primal vial that costs 1000 points.

If the staff don't want it tied at all to exalting, my next method would just be scatter them through the various mechanics to give item and treasure sinks.


AGain, if this is all we get, then fine, but I just feel it isn't necessarily the best way (but that is my opinion :P)

I honestly dunno why people have as much of an issue with this, it feels pretty similar to the exalting idea except it'd probably... make more sense to players new to the natural eye vials now existing? Because the NPC would just explain what's up, exalting would have to come from word of mouth with other players. It would also maybe make more sense to me in lore. Why would an exalted dragon leave behind a vial of its eye type?
That said, I don't support this then also having Swipp vials? I think that IS too confusing and complicated.

But yeah, I can get behind an NPC that lets you either switch eye types between dragons, or turn a dragons eye-type into a vial.
There is of course the argument about how it'll just make special dragons kinda worthless, but like.... to be honest? I'd actually spend more money on buying people's special eyed dragons. If hatching one is a requirement to get a vial regardless of how the vial is gotten, then I WILL buy special eye dragons or breed for them. They will actually have value to me and I'm sure plenty of other players.
I also wanna argue that RNG isn't an issue, because you still rolled the dice in even hatching a special eyed dragon in the first place. You still got lucky. I shouldn't have to hit the jackpot twice in a fix for an unfair feature.