[quote name="Hrim" date="2024-12-14 17:45:09" ]
Even with a good rooster, infertile eggs are an unavoidable occurrence. Reptile eggs are different, of course... but they still require exacting criteria for their environment. No matter the species, there will always be infertile eggs. So if people are that worried about 'hatchling death', just call it 'discarding an infertile nest/egg'.
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yep, this. reptile eggs still end up simply infertile sometimes, or they don't develop correctly and don't end up hatching (or hatch uh... in a way in which they will not survive). with many of our dragons being avian and reptilian this is a very easy way to explain it. and regardless, they're also magical creatures on a fantasy planet.
if they want a lore explanation, which imo isn't necessary at all (if we needed palatable explanations for all features... we would have way fewer features lol), the eggs could simply have been infertile or for whatever reason the parents abandoned the nest. happens in nature constantly.
in any case, full support, though i do think it should be free so people don't have to be punished for mistakes. cooldown should remain to prevent abuse. there is really no good reason to not have this after 11 years imo.
Hrim wrote on 2024-12-14 17:45:09:
Even with a good rooster, infertile eggs are an unavoidable occurrence. Reptile eggs are different, of course... but they still require exacting criteria for their environment. No matter the species, there will always be infertile eggs. So if people are that worried about 'hatchling death', just call it 'discarding an infertile nest/egg'.
yep, this. reptile eggs still end up simply infertile sometimes, or they don't develop correctly and don't end up hatching (or hatch uh... in a way in which they will not survive). with many of our dragons being avian and reptilian this is a very easy way to explain it. and regardless, they're also magical creatures on a fantasy planet.
if they want a lore explanation, which imo isn't necessary at all (if we needed palatable explanations for all features... we would have way fewer features lol), the eggs could simply have been infertile or for whatever reason the parents abandoned the nest. happens in nature constantly.
in any case, full support, though i do think it should be free so people don't have to be punished for mistakes. cooldown should remain to prevent abuse. there is really no good reason to not have this after 11 years imo.
[quote name="Tserin" date="2024-12-16 17:14:25" ]
reptile eggs still end up simply infertile sometimes, or they don't develop correctly and don't end up hatching (or hatch uh... in a way in which they will not survive). [/quote]
I didn't mean to imply that reptile eggs couldn't be infertile! I phrased my comment in the wrong way. In fact, the LAST thing most people on this site would want is for reptile (snakes in particular!) reproduction to be used as a reference, though. 1) Retained sperm. Two snakes mate once. The female has the ability to store and retain the male's sperm in a viable state for up to FIVE YEARS, meaning that any offspring during those five years could be fathered by that one snake, no matter what other snakes might be paired with it after that. 2) Parthenogenesis. Reptiles have the (rare but possible) chance to produce fertile eggs without mating. Each of the offspring is a clone of the mother.
Just imagine if you went to breed your dragons, and discovered a single female with eggs in the nest that you had never intended to breed. All of the eggs hatched female, identical to the mother. Or carefully selecting two dragons to breed, only to have the hatchlings show a different male entirely as the sire...
However, to get back on topic: not only can reptile eggs be infertile, they are, if anything, more likely to be infertile or die in development than bird eggs are, and are extremely sensitive to disturbance. Rolling over a reptile egg will almost always kill the embryo unless it's returned to the exact original position quickly, whereas bird eggs need to be turned regularly.
Incidentally, on the subject of rot, unless mishandled or damaged, bird eggs won't rot even if left out for months. They just dry out. The last stage of processing the egg before it exits the bird's body is to apply the 'bloom', a thin layer of fast-drying membrane that coats and protects the egg, so that even if it's covered in filth after being laid, bacteria doesn't get inside. Reptile eggs, on the other hand... whew.
Tserin wrote on 2024-12-16 17:14:25:
reptile eggs still end up simply infertile sometimes, or they don't develop correctly and don't end up hatching (or hatch uh... in a way in which they will not survive).
I didn't mean to imply that reptile eggs couldn't be infertile! I phrased my comment in the wrong way. In fact, the LAST thing most people on this site would want is for reptile (snakes in particular!) reproduction to be used as a reference, though. 1) Retained sperm. Two snakes mate once. The female has the ability to store and retain the male's sperm in a viable state for up to FIVE YEARS, meaning that any offspring during those five years could be fathered by that one snake, no matter what other snakes might be paired with it after that. 2) Parthenogenesis. Reptiles have the (rare but possible) chance to produce fertile eggs without mating. Each of the offspring is a clone of the mother.
Just imagine if you went to breed your dragons, and discovered a single female with eggs in the nest that you had never intended to breed. All of the eggs hatched female, identical to the mother. Or carefully selecting two dragons to breed, only to have the hatchlings show a different male entirely as the sire...
However, to get back on topic: not only can reptile eggs be infertile, they are, if anything, more likely to be infertile or die in development than bird eggs are, and are extremely sensitive to disturbance. Rolling over a reptile egg will almost always kill the embryo unless it's returned to the exact original position quickly, whereas bird eggs need to be turned regularly.
Incidentally, on the subject of rot, unless mishandled or damaged, bird eggs won't rot even if left out for months. They just dry out. The last stage of processing the egg before it exits the bird's body is to apply the 'bloom', a thin layer of fast-drying membrane that coats and protects the egg, so that even if it's covered in filth after being laid, bacteria doesn't get inside. Reptile eggs, on the other hand... whew.
Support.
Due to that one glitch, I mistakenly bred two dragons that very much were not suppose to. Months. Many months ago. They're still nesting, because I'm waiting for the nest cancellation feature.
Hell, it doesn't need to be a rotten or infertile egg thing. It could be that you ~send the eggs off to another lair~ or even to your deity. Egg stork.
Devs have told us to not incubate the nests in the meantime and have had us waiting for quite awhile.
Support.
Due to that one glitch, I mistakenly bred two dragons that very much were not suppose to. Months. Many months ago. They're still nesting, because I'm waiting for the nest cancellation feature.
Hell, it doesn't need to be a rotten or infertile egg thing. It could be that you ~send the eggs off to another lair~ or even to your deity. Egg stork.
Devs have told us to not incubate the nests in the meantime and have had us waiting for quite awhile.
[quote name="Almedha" date="2024-12-14 12:15:07" ]
My preferred method is to be able to discard one egg per day until there's one during the incubatuon period. On the last day of incubation, you can either discard all or hatch what's left.
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[font=cambria]i would love an option to reduce the number of eggs also, yes. being able to discard an egg every day would be great. not to add eggs, only to remove them. for lore things and such.
dragons keeping their cooldowns and nests being unusable for a period afterwards is absolutely worth it to be able to cancel nests tbh.
Almedha wrote on 2024-12-14 12:15:07:
My preferred method is to be able to discard one egg per day until there's one during the incubatuon period. On the last day of incubation, you can either discard all or hatch what's left.
i would love an option to reduce the number of eggs also, yes. being able to discard an egg every day would be great. not to add eggs, only to remove them. for lore things and such.
dragons keeping their cooldowns and nests being unusable for a period afterwards is absolutely worth it to be able to cancel nests tbh.
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