[quote name="GrimoireBlack" date="2024-01-24 16:44:17" ]
Telling a disabled person "Well, you don't HAVE to do this" in response to them asking for accommodations, even if that ask is related to something that's purely a fun thing that may not have meaning in the grand scheme of things, is super gross and not okay.
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That [i]isn't[/i] what's happening though. Bonding with every familiar you own isn't intended behavior. They don't [i]want[/i] to encourage it by making it easier for anyone. Since the dragon profile update it's much easier to bond, and you can create a custom keybind for mouse-clicks with user-end software.
GrimoireBlack wrote on 2024-01-24 16:44:17:
Telling a disabled person "Well, you don't HAVE to do this" in response to them asking for accommodations, even if that ask is related to something that's purely a fun thing that may not have meaning in the grand scheme of things, is super gross and not okay.
That
isn't what's happening though. Bonding with every familiar you own isn't intended behavior. They don't
want to encourage it by making it easier for anyone. Since the dragon profile update it's much easier to bond, and you can create a custom keybind for mouse-clicks with user-end software.
[quote name="Contaminate" ]
...and you can create a custom keybind for mouse-clicks with user-end software.
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Until the mods release a crystal clear statement on whether that's against ToS or not, I'd be careful recommending that to people. Using rebound keys is disallowed in the coliseum and may also be banned sitewide.
One of the reasons people want solutions implemented in-game is to avoid relying on grey areas like this which might get their account locked (plus, software like that isn't nearly as accessible for mobile users)
Contaminate wrote:
...and you can create a custom keybind for mouse-clicks with user-end software.
Until the mods release a crystal clear statement on whether that's against ToS or not, I'd be careful recommending that to people. Using rebound keys is disallowed in the coliseum and may also be banned sitewide.
One of the reasons people want solutions implemented in-game is to avoid relying on grey areas like this which might get their account locked (plus, software like that isn't nearly as accessible for mobile users)
[quote name="wishbonewarren" date="2024-01-24 17:22:15" ]
[quote name="Contaminate" ]
...and you can create a custom keybind for mouse-clicks with user-end software.
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Until the mods release a crystal clear statement on whether that's against ToS or not, I'd be careful recommending that to people. Using rebound keys is disallowed in the coliseum and may also be banned sitewide.
One of the reasons people want solutions implemented in-game is to avoid relying on grey areas like this which might get their account locked (plus, software like that isn't nearly as accessible for mobile users)
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A ban in the coli to prevent botting doesn't translate to a stance against adaptive software for the rest of the site.
wishbonewarren wrote on 2024-01-24 17:22:15:
Contaminate wrote:
...and you can create a custom keybind for mouse-clicks with user-end software.
Until the mods release a crystal clear statement on whether that's against ToS or not, I'd be careful recommending that to people. Using rebound keys is disallowed in the coliseum and may also be banned sitewide.
One of the reasons people want solutions implemented in-game is to avoid relying on grey areas like this which might get their account locked (plus, software like that isn't nearly as accessible for mobile users)
A ban in the coli to prevent botting doesn't translate to a stance against adaptive software for the rest of the site.
[quote name="@wishbonewarren" date="2024-01-24 17:22:15" ]
[quote name="Contaminate" ]
...and you can create a custom keybind for mouse-clicks with user-end software.
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Until the mods release a crystal clear statement on whether that's against ToS or not, I'd be careful recommending that to people. Using rebound keys is disallowed in the coliseum and may also be banned sitewide.
One of the reasons people want solutions implemented in-game is to avoid relying on grey areas like this which might get their account locked (plus, software like that isn't nearly as accessible for mobile users)
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Could we get a source for the rebound keys being disallowed for coli? I don't remember that.
Contaminate wrote:
...and you can create a custom keybind for mouse-clicks with user-end software.
Until the mods release a crystal clear statement on whether that's against ToS or not, I'd be careful recommending that to people. Using rebound keys is disallowed in the coliseum and may also be banned sitewide.
One of the reasons people want solutions implemented in-game is to avoid relying on grey areas like this which might get their account locked (plus, software like that isn't nearly as accessible for mobile users)
Could we get a source for the rebound keys being disallowed for coli? I don't remember that.
[quote name="wishbonewarren" date="2024-01-24 17:22:15" ]
[quote name="Contaminate" ]
...and you can create a custom keybind for mouse-clicks with user-end software.
[/quote]
Until the mods release a crystal clear statement on whether that's against ToS or not, I'd be careful recommending that to people. Using rebound keys is disallowed in the coliseum and may also be banned sitewide.
One of the reasons people want solutions implemented in-game is to avoid relying on grey areas like this which might get their account locked (plus, software like that isn't nearly as accessible for mobile users)
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If it's just as simple left or right click, Windows (and probably other operating systems) will let you use the keypad for that. If what's meant is a series of actions with only one click, that I can't comment on.
wishbonewarren wrote on 2024-01-24 17:22:15:
Contaminate wrote:
...and you can create a custom keybind for mouse-clicks with user-end software.
Until the mods release a crystal clear statement on whether that's against ToS or not, I'd be careful recommending that to people. Using rebound keys is disallowed in the coliseum and may also be banned sitewide.
One of the reasons people want solutions implemented in-game is to avoid relying on grey areas like this which might get their account locked (plus, software like that isn't nearly as accessible for mobile users)
If it's just as simple left or right click, Windows (and probably other operating systems) will let you use the keypad for that. If what's meant is a series of actions with only one click, that I can't comment on.
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Almedha Weevil (hope they don't mind I'm including their posts here) in the Earth dom server submitted a support ticket asking about mapping keys to a controller.
Response screenshot. (I do wish they'd clarify it somewhere on-site instead of waiting for individual players to ask about it, but it's all we have to work off of.)
@
Almedha Weevil (hope they don't mind I'm including their posts here) in the Earth dom server submitted a support ticket asking about mapping keys to a controller.
Response screenshot. (I do wish they'd clarify it somewhere on-site instead of waiting for individual players to ask about it, but it's all we have to work off of.)
[quote name="wishbonewarren" date="2024-01-25 12:09:04" ]
[quote name="Almedha" date="2024-01-25 10:54:52" ]
[quote name="wishbonewarren" date="2024-01-24 17:22:15" ]
[quote name="Contaminate" ]
...and you can create a custom keybind for mouse-clicks with user-end software.
[/quote]
Until the mods release a crystal clear statement on whether that's against ToS or not, I'd be careful recommending that to people. Using rebound keys is disallowed in the coliseum and may also be banned sitewide.
One of the reasons people want solutions implemented in-game is to avoid relying on grey areas like this which might get their account locked (plus, software like that isn't nearly as accessible for mobile users)
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Could we get a source for the rebound keys being disallowed for coli? I don't remember that.
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@/Almedha Weevil (hope they don't mind I'm including their posts here) in the Earth dom server submitted a support ticket asking about mapping keys to a controller. Response screenshot. (I do wish they'd clarify it somewhere on-site instead of waiting for individual players to ask about it, but it's all we have to work off of.)
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Well, that seems entirely unreasonable to me. Unconscionable, really.
But because the staff hasn't made this public knowledge, though, and the response is very specifically worded "request," [url=https://flightrising.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004996703-Dragon-Ownership]which is not a demand[/url], continuing anyway is [i]not prohibited[/i]. They would not have used the word "request" otherwise, as that is a word they have used specifically to contrast a requirement.
EDIT:
For the future, if the image is broken, this is what it says:
[indent][i]Thank you for reaching out to us with your question ahead of time.
The[/i] Flight Rising[i] team has reviewed your message. We must request that you do not proceed with mapping Coliseum keybinds/controls to a game controller.
Thank you for being part of Flight Rising and have a great weekend![/i][/indent]
wishbonewarren wrote on 2024-01-25 12:09:04:
Almedha wrote on 2024-01-25 10:54:52:
wishbonewarren wrote on 2024-01-24 17:22:15:
Contaminate wrote:
...and you can create a custom keybind for mouse-clicks with user-end software.
Until the mods release a crystal clear statement on whether that's against ToS or not, I'd be careful recommending that to people. Using rebound keys is disallowed in the coliseum and may also be banned sitewide.
One of the reasons people want solutions implemented in-game is to avoid relying on grey areas like this which might get their account locked (plus, software like that isn't nearly as accessible for mobile users)
Could we get a source for the rebound keys being disallowed for coli? I don't remember that.
@/Almedha Weevil (hope they don't mind I'm including their posts here) in the Earth dom server submitted a support ticket asking about mapping keys to a controller. Response screenshot. (I do wish they'd clarify it somewhere on-site instead of waiting for individual players to ask about it, but it's all we have to work off of.)
Well, that seems entirely unreasonable to me. Unconscionable, really.
But because the staff hasn't made this public knowledge, though, and the response is very specifically worded "request,"
which is not a demand, continuing anyway is
not prohibited. They would not have used the word "request" otherwise, as that is a word they have used specifically to contrast a requirement.
EDIT:
For the future, if the image is broken, this is what it says:
Thank you for reaching out to us with your question ahead of time.
The Flight Rising team has reviewed your message. We must request that you do not proceed with mapping Coliseum keybinds/controls to a game controller.
Thank you for being part of Flight Rising and have a great weekend!
I kinda agree on the "Nobody is saying you don't HAVE to bond with all your familiars" is meant to be ableist or gross towards disabled people, because it's just true?
I got 200+ familiars I don't HAVE to bond with all of them, I can chose to bond only with 10 or 50 or none at all, if I choose to bond with all familiars I own that is my own decision.
Do I think bonding could be more streamlined? Yes I absolutely do, An extension to Fionna, bonding from the bestiary or switching to a fionna like layout in your lair for bonding,all is fine
But yeah I think people aren't saying "if you're disabled and can't do it to bad!" but they're saying "If you own 400 familiars and decide to bond with all of them every single day that is your own choice, but you don't have to"
I kinda agree on the "Nobody is saying you don't HAVE to bond with all your familiars" is meant to be ableist or gross towards disabled people, because it's just true?
I got 200+ familiars I don't HAVE to bond with all of them, I can chose to bond only with 10 or 50 or none at all, if I choose to bond with all familiars I own that is my own decision.
Do I think bonding could be more streamlined? Yes I absolutely do, An extension to Fionna, bonding from the bestiary or switching to a fionna like layout in your lair for bonding,all is fine
But yeah I think people aren't saying "if you're disabled and can't do it to bad!" but they're saying "If you own 400 familiars and decide to bond with all of them every single day that is your own choice, but you don't have to"
I support this a little.
Game mechanics that involve… just repeat clicking, aren’t very good for finger joints and whatnot.
They’re also just. Not good game mechanics.
Familiar bonding, as it stands, is not a good, fun or engaging game mechanic.
“Ah yes!! Time for my favorite activity! Click Button.” Said nobody once cookie-clicker style games fell out of style. It’s not even the ‘Ah yes!! Time for Click Button and Get Treat’ that rats get, because the process of actually Getting Significant Treat is a very slow one that takes weeks.
Mass bonding probably wouldn’t be the best idea.
But, that doesn’t mean that bonding shouldn’t change. It doesn’t properly simulate a dragon bonding with a familiar as intended, it’s not engaging in the slightest, it can take hours to finish, and also, whether you’re disabled or not? It’s bad for your hands. That kind of monotonous clicking WILL grant you an Ouch if done long enough.
Now, I don’t have an idea as to what my ideal bonding system would be yet. But I’d like it to involve less Hours of Clicking. I think somebody mentioned something similar earlier in this thread, but a ‘caretaking’ page with somewhat automated bonding and limited familiar slots miiight work? Still, I’m not the best ideas guy. All I know is I don’t like bonding as it is, and I think it should change.
I support this a little.
Game mechanics that involve… just repeat clicking, aren’t very good for finger joints and whatnot.
They’re also just. Not good game mechanics.
Familiar bonding, as it stands, is not a good, fun or engaging game mechanic.
“Ah yes!! Time for my favorite activity! Click Button.” Said nobody once cookie-clicker style games fell out of style. It’s not even the ‘Ah yes!! Time for Click Button and Get Treat’ that rats get, because the process of actually Getting Significant Treat is a very slow one that takes weeks.
Mass bonding probably wouldn’t be the best idea.
But, that doesn’t mean that bonding shouldn’t change. It doesn’t properly simulate a dragon bonding with a familiar as intended, it’s not engaging in the slightest, it can take hours to finish, and also, whether you’re disabled or not? It’s bad for your hands. That kind of monotonous clicking WILL grant you an Ouch if done long enough.
Now, I don’t have an idea as to what my ideal bonding system would be yet. But I’d like it to involve less Hours of Clicking. I think somebody mentioned something similar earlier in this thread, but a ‘caretaking’ page with somewhat automated bonding and limited familiar slots miiight work? Still, I’m not the best ideas guy. All I know is I don’t like bonding as it is, and I think it should change.
i personally don't support an easy way to bond familiars that aren't attached to a dragon, but i really don't see what problem would be for a QoL for the ones currently attached to ones. i don't think people realize how bad it is to say other disabled people might be able to do this and more, because disabilities are different for everyone and everyone has different limits...
as someone said early on,a button to bond with familiars per row or even tab would be great! i have a lot of issues with my wrists especially if i had to do a lot of repetitive motion at work, and clicking sets it off if i have to do it a dozen or so times. i think simplifying it for your lair would be nice for bad days like that.
i personally don't support an easy way to bond familiars that aren't attached to a dragon, but i really don't see what problem would be for a QoL for the ones currently attached to ones. i don't think people realize how bad it is to say other disabled people might be able to do this and more, because disabilities are different for everyone and everyone has different limits...
as someone said early on,a button to bond with familiars per row or even tab would be great! i have a lot of issues with my wrists especially if i had to do a lot of repetitive motion at work, and clicking sets it off if i have to do it a dozen or so times. i think simplifying it for your lair would be nice for bad days like that.
