Flight Rising Discussion

[quote name="Avarice" date="2021-05-08 23:03:35" ]It's not that it's not for me - I've played around with Nuzlockes before. The problem is that choosing to do a Nuzlocke and choosing to play within the limitations of game mechanics are two very different approaches to challenge-style playing. I'm sure there's overlap, with people who get a kick out of both, but the appeal of a Nuzlocke is not replicated by the appeal of inherent game mechanic restrictions. [/quote] Oh, I understand that, my point was that I don't think it's condescending. Those suggesting this may not understand the difference between these kinds of challenges or they may not personally feel there's much of a difference for whatever reason. (eg. someone who preferred to pick up cheap primals and make them nice probably put only as much or less effort into it than geneing up G1s, so they might not fully consider the other challenging aspects random eye types lent to gameplay.) Overall I think there's a lot of talking at cross purposes going on here because some people just fundamentally don't understand the points other people are trying to make, which makes it difficult for anyone to come to any sort of agreement.

This post really has hit the nail on the head for me. While I collect G1s I'm very much an internally motivated player. I joined in 2013 and like many, but not all oldies see this game as customisation, not challenge oriented. The original eye update was only interesting until I realised the vials weren't permanent and 90+% of my permas (which I would never replace) would never benefit from them. What made it worse was the original eye colours were changed with no possibility to revert them. The whole eye update just made me feel sick after that. While I cannot understand externally/challenge motivated players, if they feel half as sick as I did after the first update I can at least sympathise with that. Primal vials should also have been handled differently (gem/Joxar etc.). [quote name="Toska" date="2021-05-08 22:15:55" ] Basically there's a difference between internally and externally motivated players. The players that say things like "just make a personal challenge" don't understand the needs of the externally motivated player. From the perspective of someone externally motivated, they may think 'well why would I do a challenge for no reason? Now my g1 primal is worth a tiny fraction of what it used to be, and why would I continue what I used to do (say, hatching eggs) when there's easier ways to do it. My gameplay lost meaning.' Working within the confines of the old system was what made it fun for those kinds of players. The old system gave primals a lot more rarity and it's a sort of rarity that was easily understood by everyone playing the game. I think this kind of need to be validated externally is what made the accusations of 'elitism' fly around. The internally motivated players, I think, are the kind of players who don't understand why others don't like a dragon 'for what it is', aka 'if you truly loved this dragon, why are you upset it lost value'. But since these dragons are pixels, it's not wrong to value them mostly or only for stonks or rarity. It also ties back into what others have brought up as 'customization' vs 'challenge' kind of players. The 'customization' people are just happy they can change their dragons eyes to primal much more easily now. I think those players are usually internally driven; they might think well, maybe I sunk a lot of money into my old g1 primals, but I still like them and I'm stoked I get to primal eye my other dragons too. I think the 'challenge' people are more externally driven and prefer 'site imposed challenges' over 'personal challenges'. So those who decided to get into primal eyes because they liked the challenge of it, or the rarity, or the expense have basically lost that reason to like primals anymore. [/quote]