Flight Rising Discussion

[quote name="Halszkaraptor" date="2024-10-04 05:13:57" ] I think I'd posted in the Suggestions thread my thoughts.... They did say a change would be happening to the secondaries, that the wrist/hands of the wings weren't right and would be corrected. After all the other errors were caught and fixed, it was said it might go beyond the 45 day limit due to the scope of the 'problem'. That was all well and good, whatever. HOWEVER people weren't expecting the entire arm of the wing to be altered. And this alteration has made them inconsistent with the other poses and inconsistent with how it works for other similar breeds with wing features like these (nocturnes and guardians come to mind). [snip] [/quote] yeah i also voiced my thoughts in the forum and this is pretty much where i’m at? i was under the impression they were only going to color the secondary on the wing knuckles or [i]maybe[/i] up until past the wrist, but then they go ahead and completely alter it up to the shoulder, which i feel makes it look more inconsistent within the breed now?? that being said though i’m really indifferent if they decide to change it back or not, as i think the “balance” or “aesthetic appeal” is subjective (and this is aside from the just outright sloppily done fixes, mind you! some look pretty bad)— my personal, ideal outcome is they scale back the secondary coverage to actually match the male and hatchling pose, but i highly doubt that’s gonna happen atp. i guess i’m lucky that the one dragon i have affected by this change i was ok with since i had apparel covering that spot!

[quote name="ufology" date="2024-10-04 16:31:49" ] OH on second read, I just entirely misinterpreted your post [emoji=coatl tongue size=1] I agree with what you're saying, yeah! The Fathom F change has [i]still[/i] left the wing arm inconsistent... if they're not reverting the change, they've gotta at least extend the primary to the forearm to match M pose/Odyssey artwork. [/quote] And I'm pretty sure I also misunderstood your reply originally. I get what you were saying now! Sorry about that [emoji=sandsurge laughing size=1] [quote name="ShiningLatios" date="2024-10-04 05:27:53" ] ... crud I actually kinda think the new alloy looks way better my one single female fathom has foam so I honestly didn't notice but I do agree that for most genes I'm not a fan of how the new presentation of secondaries looks. I also noted this in the other thread, but I found it kinda funny how they made the effort to point out how the fingers are meant to be the primary color/gene and yet converted the entire rest of the hand to not match the fingers anymore so that had me scratchin my head a little [/quote] That's fair, I have to admit I'm not a huge fan of the alloy change on the fathom I have [sub](the dragon already had alloy, no gems spent)[/sub], but it does do some neat things on some scries. I think the fingers of alloy look pretty cool now, at least in isolation! It will (probably) mostly just be something to get used to, finding what genes do (subjectively) look good with the updated versions. And in the meantime there is apparel!

I gotta be real. Most of the time, I can roll with changes and it doesn't bother me too much.

However, lately, there have been changes that seem to drastically alter genes post release. Fathom peacock, okapi, and this fathom secondary thing being the worst offenders in recent memory. The secondary change honestly just kinda ruins the F pose for me for a lot of genes. Which is a shame, because I don't like a lot of F poses to begin with.

It's becoming more and more irritating with how many changes there are and a lot of the time, I wish they would just leave it be.

Putting aside the actual art itself, I’m mostly really annoyed that this change was made without communicating that it was going to happen. Yeah, if you check the bug report forum there was apparently a thread mentioning it, and if this was like a “consistency error” fix for a single gene that’d probably be less impactful. But this is a major change to an entire breed’s coloration that people generally didn’t expect, especially now that it’s been so long since release. And this was dropped without mention in the developer feed or in an announcement post? I didn’t even know this change was happening, and honestly I shouldn’t need to trawl the forums to know that a change on this scale is planned or implemented. I’m really disappointed, to say the least.

I only found out about this last night before bed haha

Personally, I don't mind it. Like, almost at all. I think the arm blends in nicely with the membrane, which is, ironically, very realistic. However, from an artistic standpoint, it makes it difficult for lines to be visible. Regardless, the only two that bother me are Noxtide and Bee. Noxtide suddenly has Lionfish demo included, while Bee is.... Jesus Christ

Imagine my horror when I find out my paused gen one fathom project has both Bee and Okapi in her most likely gene plan, with Okapi already changed in the past, and this is how I learn about the change to Bee. Not a dev poll/announcement, just some random discussion post on the forum, a month later, it seems.

Her wing colours are too prominent now, it's too much and makes it harder to balance out her already-annoying primary colour. I refuse to save up and scatterscroll my gen one just because of a bad art update. It's so inconsistent with other wing limbs on other breeds (look at a female guardian for example). The wings just look so flat now? And Bee just looks... bad.

And if I put aside my personal bias and look at it in a way of going for consistency only, it doesn't even really match with the M pose! The primary should fade from the elbow-up, not the immediate shoulder. And now neither match NPC Merrigan, whose wing limbs are fully the primary colour and was our first introduction/expectation for the fathoms.

Fathom F is possibly my favourite pose on the entire site not including fathom hatchlings and I intended to have way too many of them. I really hope this is reverted. It might dull my enthusiasm for the breed if not.

The more things like this happen, the more I just... don't want to buy dragons. It even makes me think about not doing my breeding projects. There is very little that is more soul crushing than spending all the effort I put into my breeding projects and having that little whisper go, "Hey, staff might change this one thing and it might ruin everything for you about this dragon."

i didnt know they changed anything till i looked through this thread but its a pretty visible change, i can definitely see why people are unhappy.

i didnt know this was something already stated to need a fix, but while i try to keep up with gene errors, im a more casual player nowadays and never saw this mentioned. that couldve just been on me- its probably been months since i checked. my main comment i want to make is just that fathoms being released in june and this change going live in september (?) seems a little too late. four months since a breed release seems safe enough to start scrying with a new breed- newer or more casual players who didnt have the experience to know this is a consistent issue with new breeds & genes probably wouldnt think their dragon would be changed after this point. i cant really say im disappointed or surprised that it was changed and so visibly but i feel for people whose dragons were altered in ways they did not expect, especially if they spent money on gem genes. im not someone who really values consistency fixes over bug fixes in games, and even though im used to it with fr, its still kind of frustrating to not understand why decisions like this are made so much.

im relieved i read through this thread before i started seriously considering a g1 with bee though. id rather wait and see if this gets changed again. i have a fathom in f pose already who was altered, but i never looked at it close enough to notice lol, which i am lucky for

I'll repost what I said in the suggestions forum too. I think going "Well according to the guidelines they set, this is a technical issue, therefore it's fine!" is going a bit against the idea of what happened here. Even folk going 'well... I like the new one more so...' I will quote this from the post announcing the 45 day limit on changes: [quote]Having a clearly-communicated deadline will allow players a timeline when [b]they can feel confident that their dragons will not radically change[/b], while allowing us an established window during which we can make alterations to our artwork.[/quote] This is a pretty radical change! And even then, it's [i]still[/i] not consistent even against the males, given the lineart clearly shows the difference in how the membrane works (the males it's folded over the 'hand', the females it's still going in between the 'fingers' much like in Merrigan's art), and that this change made it cover the [i]entire arm[/i] instead of only the wrist in the males art.

Thank god I'm saving my fathoms for my birthday, hopefully by then I'll be decently confident that they're done being changed ^^;