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Ohh… didn’t understand the original post, but now I’ve seen it and am unhappy.

I suppose it makes sense because it’s the BACK of the wing, but it still looks unbalanced.
Ohh… didn’t understand the original post, but now I’ve seen it and am unhappy.

I suppose it makes sense because it’s the BACK of the wing, but it still looks unbalanced.
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This change shouldn't have happened in the first place, I'm real sick and tired of the 'change for the sake of change' BS that's been going on here lately.

If the fathom secondary art isn't reverted to it's original look, I'm going to have to breedchange the dragons that were affected the most by this stupid change to fix them, which is something I really don't want to have to do.
This change shouldn't have happened in the first place, I'm real sick and tired of the 'change for the sake of change' BS that's been going on here lately.

If the fathom secondary art isn't reverted to it's original look, I'm going to have to breedchange the dragons that were affected the most by this stupid change to fix them, which is something I really don't want to have to do.
I'm genuinely sick of my dragons getting changed post release when they looked fine before. Staff is sooooo set on consistensies that they make dragons look worse afterwards. Fathom F looks unbalanced as hell now, ntm it didn't actually make anything consistent. I wouldn't have minded so much if the chance wasn't so damn drastic, considering there's now nothing left of the primary on the wing for fathom F. It's too abrupt and looks ugly as sin. I gened a single fathom f and she looks worse now. I had plans for another one but I guess not now!!!

edit* this goes doubly so for gem genes. What the **** is going on with bee and butterfly? The fact they're making things that people realistically pay REAL MONEY FOR way different after the 45 day change period is nothing short of a downright horrible move. If I'd gened my fathom F with bee I straightup would've demanded my gems back because holy crap
I'm genuinely sick of my dragons getting changed post release when they looked fine before. Staff is sooooo set on consistensies that they make dragons look worse afterwards. Fathom F looks unbalanced as hell now, ntm it didn't actually make anything consistent. I wouldn't have minded so much if the chance wasn't so damn drastic, considering there's now nothing left of the primary on the wing for fathom F. It's too abrupt and looks ugly as sin. I gened a single fathom f and she looks worse now. I had plans for another one but I guess not now!!!

edit* this goes doubly so for gem genes. What the **** is going on with bee and butterfly? The fact they're making things that people realistically pay REAL MONEY FOR way different after the 45 day change period is nothing short of a downright horrible move. If I'd gened my fathom F with bee I straightup would've demanded my gems back because holy crap
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They should just use polls if people want it changed or not.
I don't really like the change at all. It looks more like an error now.

Time to scroll fantoms to the M pose -.-
They should just use polls if people want it changed or not.
I don't really like the change at all. It looks more like an error now.

Time to scroll fantoms to the M pose -.-
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made a poll in regards to the change not meant to make staff make changes. Just curious on peoples opinions.
made a poll in regards to the change not meant to make staff make changes. Just curious on peoples opinions.
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My question in all of this is if staff did implement a poll would the users in this thread continue to act like they do every time a poll doesn't turn out the way they'd want it to.

I've been around long enough to see a couple of more "mundane" polls like when they revamped the old bow apparel artwork. I was in the camp of what we got, but I remember users being vocal about how the thinner ribbons looked so much better, even years later after the change happened. And we did get a poll for Obelisk Flair, where we were given options for how we wanted it to look.

If we lived in another timeline where they didn't revert Obe Flair but instead the poll said the playerbase preferred the change, what would users be saying now? What if they ran a poll for this exact change and the side of the playerbase not being vocal and actively calling this ugly and terrible decided to keep it, would you guys still be making threads like this and practically forcing a change anyways by being this vocal?

For example, there's currently a similar thread in suggestions about users not wanting staff to glue branches on. What if staff went through with this suggestion, but created a poll for it, and then the poll told staff that hey, users actually don't want the way Branches is done changed? Again, would there still be threads made for this? At what point does the very thing you ask for still not become enough for the vocal part of the playerbase?

I personally don't like the Fathom secondary change, and I agree that it still doesn't fit the consistency that staff wants. I understand there needs to be better communication and that there is some confusion for what that 45-day cutoff is and that not everyone reads the gene errors. I'm more indifferent on the quality control comments being thrown around because I don't expect a handful of people to catch every error before it gets thrown to thousands of people. Something I think that gets lost in that specific point about quality control is that this is getting scaled to 100 times more people seeing it, if not 1000 due to time zones and people not being on 24 hours a day or even logging in daily.

However, even if a poll was implemented for every single change like this that is drastic, I feel some of you (general you) would never be satisfied because it doesn't fit your tastes. And then we'll get another of these threads where users who voted other options will demand it get changed back anyways, even though you got the polls you asked for. Whether the complaint is "it's not consistent" or "it looks terrible" or both won't change the fact you are then going against the very thing users were asking for.

That's my two cents/concern seeing yet another one of these threads. Yes, there are changes made that I don't like and there are changes made that I do like. I also do agree with some points in here about clarity and maybe seeing some polls implemented or extending the 45-day period to catch errors because even with thousands of users there are errors that will not be caught. But I feel that even if everyone got what they asked for in this thread that we will still be getting threads where the vocal minority will demand changes be reverted anyways, and seeing that every other time a thread like this popped up the userbase "got what they wanted", maybe that poll everyone asked for suddenly goes out the window because hey, this vocal side of the playerbase got a FRD and suggestions thread up to 20+ pages (total) again.
My question in all of this is if staff did implement a poll would the users in this thread continue to act like they do every time a poll doesn't turn out the way they'd want it to.

I've been around long enough to see a couple of more "mundane" polls like when they revamped the old bow apparel artwork. I was in the camp of what we got, but I remember users being vocal about how the thinner ribbons looked so much better, even years later after the change happened. And we did get a poll for Obelisk Flair, where we were given options for how we wanted it to look.

If we lived in another timeline where they didn't revert Obe Flair but instead the poll said the playerbase preferred the change, what would users be saying now? What if they ran a poll for this exact change and the side of the playerbase not being vocal and actively calling this ugly and terrible decided to keep it, would you guys still be making threads like this and practically forcing a change anyways by being this vocal?

For example, there's currently a similar thread in suggestions about users not wanting staff to glue branches on. What if staff went through with this suggestion, but created a poll for it, and then the poll told staff that hey, users actually don't want the way Branches is done changed? Again, would there still be threads made for this? At what point does the very thing you ask for still not become enough for the vocal part of the playerbase?

I personally don't like the Fathom secondary change, and I agree that it still doesn't fit the consistency that staff wants. I understand there needs to be better communication and that there is some confusion for what that 45-day cutoff is and that not everyone reads the gene errors. I'm more indifferent on the quality control comments being thrown around because I don't expect a handful of people to catch every error before it gets thrown to thousands of people. Something I think that gets lost in that specific point about quality control is that this is getting scaled to 100 times more people seeing it, if not 1000 due to time zones and people not being on 24 hours a day or even logging in daily.

However, even if a poll was implemented for every single change like this that is drastic, I feel some of you (general you) would never be satisfied because it doesn't fit your tastes. And then we'll get another of these threads where users who voted other options will demand it get changed back anyways, even though you got the polls you asked for. Whether the complaint is "it's not consistent" or "it looks terrible" or both won't change the fact you are then going against the very thing users were asking for.

That's my two cents/concern seeing yet another one of these threads. Yes, there are changes made that I don't like and there are changes made that I do like. I also do agree with some points in here about clarity and maybe seeing some polls implemented or extending the 45-day period to catch errors because even with thousands of users there are errors that will not be caught. But I feel that even if everyone got what they asked for in this thread that we will still be getting threads where the vocal minority will demand changes be reverted anyways, and seeing that every other time a thread like this popped up the userbase "got what they wanted", maybe that poll everyone asked for suddenly goes out the window because hey, this vocal side of the playerbase got a FRD and suggestions thread up to 20+ pages (total) again.
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i didn't even know the change happened, went over to my only female Fathom (that i haven't even finished yet) and applied Bee to her scry... [img]https://www1.flightrising.com/dgen/preview/dragon?age=1&body=38&bodygene=213&breed=16&element=11&eyetype=1&gender=1&tert=80&tertgene=14&winggene=20&wings=113&auth=7bdd759aecc7397f10bc0ecf479536cd0ea8c52b&dummyext=prev.png[/img] good Stormcatcher what is going on with the wings [emoji=coatl scared size=1]
i didn't even know the change happened, went over to my only female Fathom (that i haven't even finished yet) and applied Bee to her scry...

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good Stormcatcher what is going on with the wings
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I didn't notice anything until this post, given my only female fathom is a fandragon. It doesn't affect her too much, but it's still a very weird change.
I didn't notice anything until this post, given my only female fathom is a fandragon. It doesn't affect her too much, but it's still a very weird change.
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[quote name="CinnamonThief" date="2024-10-04 04:47:48" ] More than anything I'm getting annoyed. It's not a matter of whether the change looks good or not, I'm tired of changes that are done for subjective reasons rather than being straight up bugs or lacking artwork. Meanwhile actual bugs are gathering dust (try scrying a male aether with strawberry twinkle). I really don't care about consistency. I really, really don't. It's especially hard to take seriously when the fix winds up being inconsistent but in the other direction (instead of there being a lack of coverage it's now too much). I brought it up back during the paisley debate and I'll bring it up again: the 45-day deadline never addressed what people were actually angry about. Unnecessary changes for the sake of consistency, whether within or between breeds. Also if stuff like this is going to continue then people deserve to get refunds at least for the gem genes. Bee got completely massacred. [/quote] THIS^ Hit the nail on the head there. So tired of the devs calling artistic choices "bugs". Like stop, please, we beg of you.
CinnamonThief wrote on 2024-10-04 04:47:48:
More than anything I'm getting annoyed. It's not a matter of whether the change looks good or not, I'm tired of changes that are done for subjective reasons rather than being straight up bugs or lacking artwork. Meanwhile actual bugs are gathering dust (try scrying a male aether with strawberry twinkle).

I really don't care about consistency. I really, really don't. It's especially hard to take seriously when the fix winds up being inconsistent but in the other direction (instead of there being a lack of coverage it's now too much).

I brought it up back during the paisley debate and I'll bring it up again: the 45-day deadline never addressed what people were actually angry about. Unnecessary changes for the sake of consistency, whether within or between breeds.

Also if stuff like this is going to continue then people deserve to get refunds at least for the gem genes. Bee got completely massacred.
THIS^ Hit the nail on the head there. So tired of the devs calling artistic choices "bugs". Like stop, please, we beg of you.
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On some colors/genes it looks fine. Better, even. But mostly it just looks bad lol
On some colors/genes it looks fine. Better, even. But mostly it just looks bad lol
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