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TOPIC | [Chart/Survey] Hatchling Sizes: Gaolers!
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[url=https://fontmeme.com/brush-fonts/][img]https://fontmeme.com/permalink/180420/1e0f3e1e0e7bfcf9b136bef3572bad45.png[/img][/url] So there's been a lot of this type of stuff lately huh... I swear to God above that I had this idea ages ago but didn't have the time to implement it until now. But... HATCHLING SIZES!! I've created a form and a spreadsheet for tracking hatchling sizes. Why do this? Well, mainly for lore purposes and my own curiosity. A few months back I was writing lore of one of my Mirrors rescuing a Wildclaw hatchling. The Mirror carried her by the back of the neck like a kitten, and ran with the hatchling on her back. I also described teenage Mirrors being the same size of the Wildclaw hatchling. But then I was like "Wait, full grown Wildclaws are like twice the size of Mirrors. At 4 IRL days old, would she even be able to lift that hatchling?" And thus this spreadsheet was born. I plan to create charts that track the growth rate of hatchlings by species and gender, as well as figure out the average size by day. I hope to eventually expand to teenagers as well, but right now I'm sticking to hatchlings. I'm hoping to find patterns that indicate growth - does a Spiral have a body that grows faster than its wings? Are Guardians born with wings too small to fly with their weight? When do they get heavy? But to do that, I need raw data. And that's where you guys come in! My hope is that y'all will open up your lairs in one tab and this lovely form in another, and document some babies, so that in a month or so, I can shove some lovely charts at you all. Please? Also, feel free to throw questions and suggestions at me! [b]NOW WITH TEENS![/b] That's right, the teenager form is up and running and we are taking in data! There's also been some edits to both forms, some questions at the end to hint at new things coming! [url=https://fontmeme.com/brush-fonts/][img]https://fontmeme.com/permalink/180420/53fe3165bc44c3dcdd3ec91164dde568.png[/img][/url] [b]Hatchlings:[/b] https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdbqgjO17W-WZCVDx82PEzlkysyS5S8O8HlsB6jEECzU8RsEw/viewform?usp=sf_link [b]Teenagers:[/b] https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSceQ5lKqVB8Hgwema2wDKOeWW-p3RglLrR_JmiOpG_qC2ZQGA/viewform?usp=sf_link [b]Update[/b] The first of the fancy size comparisons has been posted to the guide forum! Next fancy size comparison is comparing newborns to an adult human - I just started working on that, and I may end up commissioning dragon silhouettes so I don't have to draw them. Second update: The hatchling and teen surveys have been updated with an optional question asking about any kind of visualizations you'd like to see - I'm also taking suggestions here on FR! Third update: Size ranges are up! Right now I'm working on better chart visualizations. I've got ideas that I'm banging out but I'm also super busy with real life so it might take me a while [LIST] [*]In the guide post, I'll be starting to post visual size comparisons! I encourage suggestions for comparisons, and may end up commissioning an artist or two to help with some of the more time consuming visuals. - [b]In Progress[/b] [*]Better charts and making them easier to understand - [b]Just started, still unsure[/b] [/LIST] [b][size=6]Update![/size][/b] Goalers have now been added to the forms! They'll be added to the spreadsheets soon, and graphs will be added not long after that! [b]The spreadsheet:[/b] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JKoYBcLenUT7BLU5KrlmKltvK1-qmGBYIXtmRngusXk/edit?usp=sharing Section Titles made [url=https://fontmeme.com/brush-fonts/]here[/url] [b]Badges![/b] [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gde/2408558][img]https://i.imgur.com/Y02PS6v.png[/img][/url] Here's a forum signature sized badge that you can use if you want! I may also expand this to things like "Participant of the Hatchling Survey" or "My hatchling's bigger than yours" or other cutesy things like that. The code for it is [code][url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gde/2408558][img]https://i.imgur.com/Y02PS6v.png[/img][/url][/code]
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So there's been a lot of this type of stuff lately huh... I swear to God above that I had this idea ages ago but didn't have the time to implement it until now. But...

HATCHLING SIZES!!

I've created a form and a spreadsheet for tracking hatchling sizes. Why do this?

Well, mainly for lore purposes and my own curiosity. A few months back I was writing lore of one of my Mirrors rescuing a Wildclaw hatchling. The Mirror carried her by the back of the neck like a kitten, and ran with the hatchling on her back. I also described teenage Mirrors being the same size of the Wildclaw hatchling.

But then I was like "Wait, full grown Wildclaws are like twice the size of Mirrors. At 4 IRL days old, would she even be able to lift that hatchling?"

And thus this spreadsheet was born.

I plan to create charts that track the growth rate of hatchlings by species and gender, as well as figure out the average size by day. I hope to eventually expand to teenagers as well, but right now I'm sticking to hatchlings. I'm hoping to find patterns that indicate growth - does a Spiral have a body that grows faster than its wings? Are Guardians born with wings too small to fly with their weight? When do they get heavy?

But to do that, I need raw data. And that's where you guys come in! My hope is that y'all will open up your lairs in one tab and this lovely form in another, and document some babies, so that in a month or so, I can shove some lovely charts at you all.

Please? Also, feel free to throw questions and suggestions at me!

NOW WITH TEENS! That's right, the teenager form is up and running and we are taking in data! There's also been some edits to both forms, some questions at the end to hint at new things coming!

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Hatchlings:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdbqgjO17W-WZCVDx82PEzlkysyS5S8O8HlsB6jEECzU8RsEw/viewform?usp=sf_link

Teenagers:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSceQ5lKqVB8Hgwema2wDKOeWW-p3RglLrR_JmiOpG_qC2ZQGA/viewform?usp=sf_link

Update
The first of the fancy size comparisons has been posted to the guide forum! Next fancy size comparison is comparing newborns to an adult human - I just started working on that, and I may end up commissioning dragon silhouettes so I don't have to draw them.

Second update: The hatchling and teen surveys have been updated with an optional question asking about any kind of visualizations you'd like to see - I'm also taking suggestions here on FR!

Third update: Size ranges are up! Right now I'm working on better chart visualizations. I've got ideas that I'm banging out but I'm also super busy with real life so it might take me a while
  • In the guide post, I'll be starting to post visual size comparisons! I encourage suggestions for comparisons, and may end up commissioning an artist or two to help with some of the more time consuming visuals. - In Progress
  • Better charts and making them easier to understand - Just started, still unsure

Update!
Goalers have now been added to the forms! They'll be added to the spreadsheets soon, and graphs will be added not long after that!

The spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JKoYBcLenUT7BLU5KrlmKltvK1-qmGBYIXtmRngusXk/edit?usp=sharing

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Badges!
Y02PS6v.png Here's a forum signature sized badge that you can use if you want! I may also expand this to things like "Participant of the Hatchling Survey" or "My hatchling's bigger than yours" or other cutesy things like that. The code for it is
Code:
[url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gde/2408558][img]https://i.imgur.com/Y02PS6v.png[/img][/url]
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[center]Egg Comparison![/center] [img]https://img00.deviantart.net/390e/i/2018/173/d/8/egg_comparison_by_shadesoffantasy-dcf567k.png[/img] Click [url=https://sta.sh/0me9mvmt07f]here[/url] to see the image in my Sta.sh at full size! Some references to help visualization: [LIST=1] [*]Fae eggs are about the same size as a large chicken egg [*]Spiral eggs are big for eggs in general, but would still fit in your flat hand. [*]A Nocturne egg is just a little bit bigger than your standard soccer ball / futbol, and is quite a bit bigger than your head! [*]Snapper and Wildclaw eggs are almost perfectly knee height on me - I am 5'6"/168cm! [*]Tundra and Pearlcatcher eggs are almost the same size - PC is only bigger by 0.002m [*]The largest dinosaur egg ever found is the same size as a Mirror egg! [*]An Imperial egg would be chest high on some people! [/LIST] Please let me know if it's hard to read! I made it so I can edit it too. [b]How did I figure out these measurements?[/b] Using American crocodile eggs! Baby crocs are 27 cm at birth, and their eggs average 7.62 cm long. I found a ratio and then applied it to the average birth size of every species to get the size of their egg. Still a bit of a rough estimate though - and this is only length, so they may be oval or spherical, who knows! I used fire eggs because they were shaped the most like croc eggs.
Egg Comparison!

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Click here to see the image in my Sta.sh at full size!

Some references to help visualization:
  1. Fae eggs are about the same size as a large chicken egg
  2. Spiral eggs are big for eggs in general, but would still fit in your flat hand.
  3. A Nocturne egg is just a little bit bigger than your standard soccer ball / futbol, and is quite a bit bigger than your head!
  4. Snapper and Wildclaw eggs are almost perfectly knee height on me - I am 5'6"/168cm!
  5. Tundra and Pearlcatcher eggs are almost the same size - PC is only bigger by 0.002m
  6. The largest dinosaur egg ever found is the same size as a Mirror egg!
  7. An Imperial egg would be chest high on some people!
Please let me know if it's hard to read! I made it so I can edit it too.
How did I figure out these measurements?
Using American crocodile eggs! Baby crocs are 27 cm at birth, and their eggs average 7.62 cm long. I found a ratio and then applied it to the average birth size of every species to get the size of their egg. Still a bit of a rough estimate though - and this is only length, so they may be oval or spherical, who knows! I used fire eggs because they were shaped the most like croc eggs.
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Reserved for furture charts
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Reserved for future charts
Reserved for future charts
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Reserved for future charts
Reserved for future charts
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One last reserve just in case
One last reserve just in case
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We have charts starting up friends! You can view them in the spreadsheet. They're currently not complete because we don't have enough data, so please send in more!
We have charts starting up friends! You can view them in the spreadsheet. They're currently not complete because we don't have enough data, so please send in more!
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Bump because I need some snip snaps and 4 day old guardians of both genders. They're doing a weird thing with their charts where they're losing size and length on the 4th day, then exploding upwards on the 5th. Gaining wingspan normally. So I need to see if it's a pattern.
Bump because I need some snip snaps and 4 day old guardians of both genders. They're doing a weird thing with their charts where they're losing size and length on the 4th day, then exploding upwards on the 5th. Gaining wingspan normally. So I need to see if it's a pattern.
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@Buligete I hate to do this but can I ask you to delete your comment? At the time that I opened this up for commenting I had less ambitious plans for the data I was going to present (I was modeling off of the Dragonkind Measures Masterpost) but now it's looking like I'm going to need a lot more space to show all of the data and graphs. I'd like it to be uninterrupted if possible. I'm sorry to have to ask you to do this. Right after this comment I'm going to quickly add like 10 more "Reserved" and after that you should be totally safe to comment again!
@Buligete I hate to do this but can I ask you to delete your comment? At the time that I opened this up for commenting I had less ambitious plans for the data I was going to present (I was modeling off of the Dragonkind Measures Masterpost) but now it's looking like I'm going to need a lot more space to show all of the data and graphs. I'd like it to be uninterrupted if possible. I'm sorry to have to ask you to do this. Right after this comment I'm going to quickly add like 10 more "Reserved" and after that you should be totally safe to comment again!
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