Suggestions

Support for a more Plague aesthetic venue! Not asking for gore and stuff obviously, but some bones, acid pits, a little more red in general. I feel like Plague is often getting shafted in representation (or forced to tone down significantly and can't embrace their theme fully) and I think them getting to have a venue that fits their theme a bit would be nice. I feel bad that Plague is often wrapped up so tightly with Nature and that at a glance the Mire definitely looks like a Nature venue doesn't help at all.

Not every person is looking up the lore and canon locations of the venues. I most certainly am not. For the longest time I thought the Mire was in Nature. I just think Plague deserves to have a venue that no one even needs to debate belongs to them or not. Plague has been asking for a venue for a long time ans I think they deserve it.

So yeah. Corrosive Flats or Boneyard themed venues I think would just be really cool. Imagine the familiars based for it! Maybe if we're lucky, it can be one of the venues that drops appearl too.

Okay I lied, I will write it up again. [quote][b]Training Fields[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=white gem size=1] Location: Super duper generic, common speculation that it [i]might [/i]be in Wind territory [emoji=coatl confused size=1] [b]Woodland Path[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=nature rune size=1] Location: Assumed to be in the Viridian Labyrinth, generic [emoji=nature rune size=1] [b]Scorched Forest[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=fire rune size=1][emoji=white gem size=1] Location: Unknown, assumed to be somewhere in the Ashfall Waste [emoji=fire rune size=1] [b]Sandswept Delta[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=white gem size=1] Location: Unknown. Based on the familiars and item descriptions, might be along the border of Sunbeam Ruins and the Shifting Expanse? [emoji=coatl confused size=1] [b]Silk-Strewn Wreckage[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=light rune size=1] Location: Not sure! [emoji=coatl confused size=1] [b]Blooming Grove[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=nature rune size=1][emoji=white gem size=1] Location: Almost certainly the Everbloom Gardens [emoji=nature rune size=1] [b]Forgotten Cave[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=earth rune size=1] Location: Not entirely clear- could very well be in Dragonhome, but could also be pretty much anywhere in Sornieth. Earth dragons re-discovered it. [emoji=coatl confused size=1] [b]Bamboo Falls[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=wind rune size=1] Location: Confirmed to be on the Water/Wind border, likely Singer's Brook [emoji=wind rune size=1][emoji=water rune size=1] [b]Thunderhead Savanna[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=lightning rune size=1][emoji=white gem size=1] Location: Presumably somewhere in the Shifting Expanse [emoji=lightning rune size=1] [b]Redrock Cove[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=water rune size=1] Location: Assumed to be Water territory, possibly Tsunami Flats? [emoji=water rune size=1] [b]Waterway[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=white gem size=1] Location: Implied to be underneath the Hewn City as per the Noggle item description [emoji=light rune size=1] [b]Arena[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=light rune size=1][emoji=white gem size=1] Location: Ancient ruins, probably in Dragonhome or Sunbeam Ruins but the Longneck have claimed it so [emoji=beastclan rune size=1] [b]Volcanic Vents[/b] Elemental Majority: Fire [emoji=fire rune size=1] Location: Could be pretty much anywhere in the Ashfall Waste tbqh [emoji=fire rune size=1] [b]Rainsong Jungle[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=nature rune size=1] Location: Probably the Shrieking Wilds [emoji=nature rune size=1] [b]Boreal Wood[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=ice rune size=1] Location: Probably the Snowsquall Tundra due to the forested area [emoji=ice rune size=1] [b]Crystal Pools[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=arcane rune size=1][emoji=white gem size=1] Location: Starfall Isles, possibly along the coast [emoji=arcane rune size=1] [b]Harpy's Roost[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=wind rune size=1] Location: Likely to be the Wind/Fire border, due to the combined high Harpy population and metalsmiths' interest in the ore here [emoji=wind rune size=1][emoji=fire rune size=1] [b]Ghostlight Ruins[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=white gem size=1] Location: Assumed to be the Hewn City [emoji=light rune size=1] [b] Mire[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=plague rune size=1] Location: Unknown, honestly looks like it could be the Worldedge Wetlands [emoji=coatl confused size=1] [b]Kelp Beds[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=water rune size=1] Location: Sea of a Thousand Currents, possibly near Wind territory due to the Windsinger's involvement ("Dragons who test their skills in this underwater venue are protected by a large bubble, a blessing of The Windsinger") [emoji=water rune size=1][emoji=wind rune size=1] [b]Golem Workshop[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=lightning rune size=1][emoji=white gem size=1] Location: Likely the interior of a mesa in the Shifting Expanse [emoji=lightning rune size=1] [b]Forbidden Portal[/b] Elemental Majority: [emoji=arcane rune size=1][emoji=white gem size=1] Location: Who knows! [emoji=coatl confused size=1][/quote] My point in drafting these up is that I think Plaguelings ruminate on this [i]so[/i] much that they genuinely think they're in the minority or are being actively neglected by the FR team. But that's just not the case. The only flights who have this idealized aesthetic + world map representation wombo combo are Arcane, Water, Nature, Lightning, Fire, Ice, and MAYBE Wind if I'm feeling generous. And I don't think that combo is even the devs' intention with the coliseum. Getting your hopes up for something that was never promised, then feeling upset and slighted when you don't get it... that's not really FR's fault. To be honest I think the main point is to have at least one venue per flight that's good for farming coliseum currency, and that's what we have at present. Like, Lightning needed an easier venue because the Golem Workshop is Extra Hard Mode and useless for farming Charged Sprockets. But people have the Mire down to a science- we don't *need* another Plague venue in the same way Lightning needed one. Again, I'd really love a venue that really steers into the full cool and gross Plague aesthetic too. I'd also love a super breezy orange and green and cloudy Wind venue! And an Earth venue that's not just Miscellaneous Cave #3. And a Shadow venue actually located in Shadow Territory with a majority of Shadow element monsters. You see where I'm going with this?

Yeeeeeah I wouldn't mind seeing one but they aren't the only one who doesn't have a visually representative one yet.

Shadow doesn't have one; don't tell me the ruins are in Shadow. If they were in Shadow, there wouldn't be light streaming into the windows during the day. From what I can gather, Shadow is mainly dark forest. Not much light coming in there. Not to mention the description of the venue makes it seem even more like it isn't in Shadow.

Light doesn't really have one? The Arena comes off as neutral, not Light. And Sandswept Delta is more Lightning; given it's in a desert. Might be near the Light border, but still.

And, well, Earth, maybe. The Forgotten Cave is underground, sure, but like, it doesn't seem Earth-y otherwise. You don't even know if it's under Earth or somewhere else.

Thing is, they're not the only one lacking. It'd be cool to have another one, but's not like staff are avoiding making one for Plague specifically.

Support for a new Plague venue that is obviously Plague! I'm not asking for gore or blood, but something like the the Corrosive Flats suggestion or even like the Plague Lair locations art, it's clearly the plague aesthetic that FR devs feel good with and I think is awesome!

[quote]this feels like another case where player interpretations and dev intentions aren't lining up.[/quote] I do agree with this a lot. It seems to be many cases and a lot of personal preference. When the Crystal Pools were first released I thought they were water due to being tide pools with numerous aquatic-looking enemies. I then thought earth because crystals are rocks are earth. It took me forever to realize it was going for arcane, which is my home aesthetic. And I do have a hard time personally seeing the Forbidden Portal as arcane due to the eldritch nature of it. Mutants aren't why I signed onto arcane; magic and celestial are. And I would LOVE to see more celestial-looking arcane stuff in general, whether that's a venue or clothing or something else. I just request FR remembers that the Coli is a major lynchpin in their game and that they consider as many players as possible going forward. Also, as I said earlier, just because FR has issues with squicks and phobias in the Coli now, the solution isn't necessarily to add more squicks and phobias. It's to give players the tools to manage those squicks and phobias themselves.

Jeez, I didn't expect to see so much arguing about what element each venue is supposed to be - and to like totally disagree with so many of the opinions.
I do not look at or care about what elements the enemies actually are, I'm looking purely at the lore and aesthetics when I say a venue is a certain element tbh. Bamboo Falls is Wind because it very clearly takes place in Singers Brook.

Waterway is said to be underneath Light, the Ghostlight Ruins is likewise very clearly reminiscent of the Hewn City, items from the Forgotten Cave mention they come from caves beneath Earth and Shadow so the gloomy earthy aesthetic has always read as an obvious callback to both flights, the list goes on.

I'd say the only Flights without true venues are Shadow and Plague. Shadow has near misses, which could justify putting it further down the list, but all its venues are secretly really another flight like Light or Earth.

With this SAID, I do not think it is unreasonable for people to want a venue with a Plague aesthetic. I think it is perfectly doable, even. You could theme it in the Abiding Boneyard, or have it overlooking the Soup, or even the ever popular Corrosive Flats suggestion.
The enemies don't have to be overkill body-horror, you can do weird animals without it being too disgusting and grotesque for most people because FR already makes a lot of weird animals. Like Forbidden Portal managed it just fine........ You can have big vultures, variants of the shattered serpents, my brain wants to say thylacine's because they look odd and have a big freaky mouth, more sentient mushrooms, bobbit worms who live under the boneyard, catdog, maybe wood ear deer's but covered in eyes and the plague currency mushrooms, Big Flies, idk man there's plenty you can do that might fit into Plague without being extremely upsetting.

It's doable and I'd really like to see something that feels like the Plague aesthetic present. Singling it out is less because I think everyone is equally represented in Coli tbh, and more feeling Plague is less represented on site as a whole - plus the fact it is definitely aesthetically less represented than every other Flight who we can make vague guesses about in the Coli.
It's not a huge deal, it'd just be really fun and nice to see more of their general vibe around and maybe help expand the ideas of its aesthetic beyond "gross nasty body horror flight" while still trying to feel true to the Flight as well. Unlike the Mire.

Not to say I don't love the Wreckage either btw, because genuinely it is my favourite venue and I know where I'm gonna grind from now on when I need to grind somewhere <3333

[quote name="Recallback" date="2023-09-06 07:04:02" ] Singling it out is less because I think everyone is equally represented in Coli tbh, and more feeling Plague is less represented on site as a whole - plus the fact it is definitely aesthetically less represented than every other Flight who we can make vague guesses about in the Coli. It's not a huge deal, it'd just be really fun and nice to see more of their general vibe around and maybe help expand the ideas of its aesthetic beyond "gross nasty body horror flight" while still trying to feel true to the Flight as well. Unlike the Mire. [/quote] Thank you for this statement in particular, this is a major part of why I’m advocating so hard for this that I’ve struggled to put into words.