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I'm working on my first real breeding project and I already feel like im loosing my mind trying to keep bloodlines straight.

I'm trying to get two unrelated dragons with the same colors to make a final breeding pair for a hatchery.

If you've done something similar, how did you manage who was related to who down the lines of breeding?
I'm working on my first real breeding project and I already feel like im loosing my mind trying to keep bloodlines straight.

I'm trying to get two unrelated dragons with the same colors to make a final breeding pair for a hatchery.

If you've done something similar, how did you manage who was related to who down the lines of breeding?
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I carefully checked ALL dragons for connection with each other and naturally I had mistakes.
Most of the time I can't tell the difference between male and female dragons, which makes me go into a bit of a mini panic because when you breed someone rare it seems like the end of the world, "you'll never get another dragon again" or something like that.

I recommend checking in advance
- the gender of the dragon.
- is he related to another dragon (if the project is complex, then EVERYONE needs to be checked)
- If you are buying dragons for breeding it is easiest to turn them into mirrors as they have the fastest breeding recovery.

And just be patient. Not all dragons hatch the first time, most often you will never get a dragon of the right colors. Just wait and hope... and check the dragons SO THAT WHEN THEY ARE CROSSED THEY GIVE A DRAGON OF THE RIGHT COLORS.

I personally use this resource.
I carefully checked ALL dragons for connection with each other and naturally I had mistakes.
Most of the time I can't tell the difference between male and female dragons, which makes me go into a bit of a mini panic because when you breed someone rare it seems like the end of the world, "you'll never get another dragon again" or something like that.

I recommend checking in advance
- the gender of the dragon.
- is he related to another dragon (if the project is complex, then EVERYONE needs to be checked)
- If you are buying dragons for breeding it is easiest to turn them into mirrors as they have the fastest breeding recovery.

And just be patient. Not all dragons hatch the first time, most often you will never get a dragon of the right colors. Just wait and hope... and check the dragons SO THAT WHEN THEY ARE CROSSED THEY GIVE A DRAGON OF THE RIGHT COLORS.

I personally use this resource.
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If your only goal is to find the same colors twice, you might be luckier with looking those colors up on the Dragon Search page, finding two dragons with them and changing their breed and genes to those you desire. If you are breeding for less rare genes (rarity guide here) there are some technically rarer genes that are super cheap, which will allow you get a better outcome at less cost. Keep in mind that breeding projects will supply you with a lot of "wrong" hatchlings that you can exalt/sell for profit, which can supply you with treasure regularly.

Example 1:
I want my breeding pair's babies to have the tertiary gene Gecko, which is of Uncommon rarity. I bought two cheap dragons, one of which has a Glimmer tertiary (rare) and one Peacock (common). If I breed them, there is a 1% chance of Glimmer, and 99% of Peacock. I could both buy them Gecko which would amount to a 100% outcome, at the cost of two uncommon gene scrolls, which tallies up to 380 000t on the MP with no discount.

If I only buy one Gecko scroll and apply it to the dragon with Peacock, I will get outcomes of 2% Glimmer and 98% Gecko, for literally half the cost. Given the average egg count in a nest is 3, the chances I get the wrong hatchlings are extremely rare, and thus I will be able to sell the perfect combo at my hatchery.

Example 2:
I want my babies to have Swirl as their primary gene. I've bought two cheap dragons, one of which has Swirl, but the other has Clown. These are both Common genes, meaning my pair has a 50/50 chance of each, something undesirable for a hatchery. Buying another Swirl scroll tallies up to 150000t on the MP with no discount, and would give me a 100% chance for Swirl on my hatchlings.

However, due to them dropping as Coli loot, the gene Python (limited) sells at ~45000 on the AH. Changing my Clown dragon to Python will cost a third of the Swirl scroll and give me an outcome of 10% Python, 90% Swirl.


A lot of people on the site breed dragons indiscriminately for fodder, so chances are unless your combo is super rare, it'll be found in two dragons of different sexes that already exist. If they pass the Assay Bloodlines test - you have yourself your pair.

If you only find a single dragon with the right colors on the site, you can use the Line Method to "only" breed for the mate, which reduces the probability of inbreeding by a lot. You just need to make sure your pairs and the single dragon with the right colors don't share ancestry.

If you're out of luck and there truly are no dragons out there with your colors ever, the Pyramid Method is the alternative that has the most risks. It will also allow you to breed for genes/breeds without having to buy scrolls. In this case I recommend making a family tree type chart to track down what dragons are related to whom.


Misc tips:

I've recently ran into an inbreeding issue like yours with my own breeding projects. To make it short, I purchased a bunch of different dragons to make me several pairs. I later purchased more dragons to make more pairs with the intent of breeding their babies together to narrow the range with the Pyramid method, but discovered inbreeding between some, narrow range oblige. While I had ran the Assay Bloodlines tool between my individual pairs, I had not between different pairs... Whenever I discovered inbreeding I listed the common ancestry in the dragon's bio like here, allowing me to keep track when looking at my dragons.

Once you've checked your parents to avoid inbreeding between the pairs, you also need to make sure you don't cross generations the "wrong" way. If your end goal is two have two dragons that can breed, I recommend keeping the planned ancestors of each dragon separate in a way or another. Example: I am currently breeding for triple-gem gene ancients. Because I don't wanna buy three gem scrolls, I am forced to breed the gem genes into existence, into a range that doesn't exist for my outcome. What I am doing is separating by "goal": I want a final pair that can give me what I want: my three desired colors, and my three desired genes. I have been working on those two separately. I only breed gem genes dragons with each other with the end goal of a line that gives me the right gene combo and approximate colors, and I only breed the dragons with the best colors together to get a line that gives me the right color combo regardless of genes. Once I have this, I can breed pairs of mates that I can nest in rotation to increase my (poor) odds of getting both colors and genes.
If your only goal is to find the same colors twice, you might be luckier with looking those colors up on the Dragon Search page, finding two dragons with them and changing their breed and genes to those you desire. If you are breeding for less rare genes (rarity guide here) there are some technically rarer genes that are super cheap, which will allow you get a better outcome at less cost. Keep in mind that breeding projects will supply you with a lot of "wrong" hatchlings that you can exalt/sell for profit, which can supply you with treasure regularly.

Example 1:
I want my breeding pair's babies to have the tertiary gene Gecko, which is of Uncommon rarity. I bought two cheap dragons, one of which has a Glimmer tertiary (rare) and one Peacock (common). If I breed them, there is a 1% chance of Glimmer, and 99% of Peacock. I could both buy them Gecko which would amount to a 100% outcome, at the cost of two uncommon gene scrolls, which tallies up to 380 000t on the MP with no discount.

If I only buy one Gecko scroll and apply it to the dragon with Peacock, I will get outcomes of 2% Glimmer and 98% Gecko, for literally half the cost. Given the average egg count in a nest is 3, the chances I get the wrong hatchlings are extremely rare, and thus I will be able to sell the perfect combo at my hatchery.

Example 2:
I want my babies to have Swirl as their primary gene. I've bought two cheap dragons, one of which has Swirl, but the other has Clown. These are both Common genes, meaning my pair has a 50/50 chance of each, something undesirable for a hatchery. Buying another Swirl scroll tallies up to 150000t on the MP with no discount, and would give me a 100% chance for Swirl on my hatchlings.

However, due to them dropping as Coli loot, the gene Python (limited) sells at ~45000 on the AH. Changing my Clown dragon to Python will cost a third of the Swirl scroll and give me an outcome of 10% Python, 90% Swirl.


A lot of people on the site breed dragons indiscriminately for fodder, so chances are unless your combo is super rare, it'll be found in two dragons of different sexes that already exist. If they pass the Assay Bloodlines test - you have yourself your pair.

If you only find a single dragon with the right colors on the site, you can use the Line Method to "only" breed for the mate, which reduces the probability of inbreeding by a lot. You just need to make sure your pairs and the single dragon with the right colors don't share ancestry.

If you're out of luck and there truly are no dragons out there with your colors ever, the Pyramid Method is the alternative that has the most risks. It will also allow you to breed for genes/breeds without having to buy scrolls. In this case I recommend making a family tree type chart to track down what dragons are related to whom.


Misc tips:

I've recently ran into an inbreeding issue like yours with my own breeding projects. To make it short, I purchased a bunch of different dragons to make me several pairs. I later purchased more dragons to make more pairs with the intent of breeding their babies together to narrow the range with the Pyramid method, but discovered inbreeding between some, narrow range oblige. While I had ran the Assay Bloodlines tool between my individual pairs, I had not between different pairs... Whenever I discovered inbreeding I listed the common ancestry in the dragon's bio like here, allowing me to keep track when looking at my dragons.

Once you've checked your parents to avoid inbreeding between the pairs, you also need to make sure you don't cross generations the "wrong" way. If your end goal is two have two dragons that can breed, I recommend keeping the planned ancestors of each dragon separate in a way or another. Example: I am currently breeding for triple-gem gene ancients. Because I don't wanna buy three gem scrolls, I am forced to breed the gem genes into existence, into a range that doesn't exist for my outcome. What I am doing is separating by "goal": I want a final pair that can give me what I want: my three desired colors, and my three desired genes. I have been working on those two separately. I only breed gem genes dragons with each other with the end goal of a line that gives me the right gene combo and approximate colors, and I only breed the dragons with the best colors together to get a line that gives me the right color combo regardless of genes. Once I have this, I can breed pairs of mates that I can nest in rotation to increase my (poor) odds of getting both colors and genes.

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Spreadsheet. I set up a big ol' spreadsheet with names, IDs and colors and use that to keep track of bloodlines. If I'm using 8 foundation pairs, I use colors, if I have to go all the way out to 16, I assign each bloodline a letter. If you'd like I can post some screenshots

Here's the guide I originally used to think through how to plan the generations, but I *think* I made the first spreadsheet from scratch.

I have one tab for unpaired offspring from each generation and i have it automatically calculate how many colors off from my goal each dragons' colors are, as well as a column to quickly visualize if the colors are "above" or "below" my goal (so I can pair colors from either side and have a chance of narrowing down the ranges). I have a BIG tab with all the established pairs. The Pairs tab ALSO calculates ranges between two dragons so that I can quickly compare potential pairs and see which has the better range.
Spreadsheet. I set up a big ol' spreadsheet with names, IDs and colors and use that to keep track of bloodlines. If I'm using 8 foundation pairs, I use colors, if I have to go all the way out to 16, I assign each bloodline a letter. If you'd like I can post some screenshots

Here's the guide I originally used to think through how to plan the generations, but I *think* I made the first spreadsheet from scratch.

I have one tab for unpaired offspring from each generation and i have it automatically calculate how many colors off from my goal each dragons' colors are, as well as a column to quickly visualize if the colors are "above" or "below" my goal (so I can pair colors from either side and have a chance of narrowing down the ranges). I have a BIG tab with all the established pairs. The Pairs tab ALSO calculates ranges between two dragons so that I can quickly compare potential pairs and see which has the better range.
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@Tobyn i don't lol

but real talk i heavily suggest utilizing this website - it generates a wheel of color to show you the shortest route between the inputs so you can get a clear visual of what you're working with between two dragons. it also gives you a list of the colors!!!




using my breeding pair as an example: their pri/sec are both lapis, but their terts are ruby - raspberry, so the chart shows the shortest distance between those two colors and all the colors between them

it's been a lifesaver for some of my more lowstakes breeding projects


my biggest bit of advice is that you need to quadruple check that none of the dragons you're considering for the project are related because it will set you back a morbillion years i'm telling you that is the absolute most irritating thing on the planet when you find out a pair of dragons can't breed because they're not past that 5th generation of separation yet
@Tobyn i don't lol

but real talk i heavily suggest utilizing this website - it generates a wheel of color to show you the shortest route between the inputs so you can get a clear visual of what you're working with between two dragons. it also gives you a list of the colors!!!




using my breeding pair as an example: their pri/sec are both lapis, but their terts are ruby - raspberry, so the chart shows the shortest distance between those two colors and all the colors between them

it's been a lifesaver for some of my more lowstakes breeding projects


my biggest bit of advice is that you need to quadruple check that none of the dragons you're considering for the project are related because it will set you back a morbillion years i'm telling you that is the absolute most irritating thing on the planet when you find out a pair of dragons can't breed because they're not past that 5th generation of separation yet
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I made a really complicated spreadsheet where I'd go through and log the lineages of every dragon to be used in the project. It would also let you visually see family trees when you select a dragon and tell you if dragons weren't compatible.

I had planned to release the spreadsheet once it was done to everyone, but just as I was finishing the staff changed their policy and no longer allowed hotlinking images and started banning people immediately. So that kind of scared me out of... doing anything anymore, haha. I think I've cleaned the images off but I'm just no longer interested.

I haven't looked at all the links listed in this thread so far but without some magic tool that just makes things easy, I'd say take good notes on your plans; who you plan to breed, what would be a "successful" hatchling to use to breed with someone else, etc.
I made a really complicated spreadsheet where I'd go through and log the lineages of every dragon to be used in the project. It would also let you visually see family trees when you select a dragon and tell you if dragons weren't compatible.

I had planned to release the spreadsheet once it was done to everyone, but just as I was finishing the staff changed their policy and no longer allowed hotlinking images and started banning people immediately. So that kind of scared me out of... doing anything anymore, haha. I think I've cleaned the images off but I'm just no longer interested.

I haven't looked at all the links listed in this thread so far but without some magic tool that just makes things easy, I'd say take good notes on your plans; who you plan to breed, what would be a "successful" hatchling to use to breed with someone else, etc.
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@Sehti The colors I am aiming for only have 12 dragons total on the site with the last being born 4 years ago. I have been tracking down potential breeding pairs on Dragon Search though.
@Sehti The colors I am aiming for only have 12 dragons total on the site with the last being born 4 years ago. I have been tracking down potential breeding pairs on Dragon Search though.
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If you've done something similar, how did you manage who was related to who down the lines of breeding?

The answer is I stopped looking at AH (Auction House) after the first few breeding projects. Now I fully look to search and assay bloodlines (though sometimes I forget)

I first try to look at possible combos that are one off in color depending as most of my breeding projects are XYZ to begin with and it's not like I am hunting a triple in most cases. If I do find possible color combos that are one off and the other dragon has the 'correct' color combo to possibly breed it then I go for it (but I will admit I forget to assay bloodlines sometimes).

For example my current breeding project is an XYZ Lavender/Pearl/X with the Goal being a white. It's true that I can settle for cream but I specifically want a female Lavendar/Rose/White as it's for a fandragon project.

I will admit finding the parents was easy and I didn't really have to assay bloodlines because one of the possible parents was an ancient and the other a modern so they were of course far removed. I changed the ancient to a modern for the breeding cooldown and will admit it's one of the few non plentiful breeding pairs I have had for some time.

Now there is sometimes an impossible or niche color combo for fandragons that I just can't find and give up. It was for a Yusaku Fujiki fandragon I cry but it is the pixel dragon game in the end and it's possible someone breeds the combo I like in the future.
If you've done something similar, how did you manage who was related to who down the lines of breeding?

The answer is I stopped looking at AH (Auction House) after the first few breeding projects. Now I fully look to search and assay bloodlines (though sometimes I forget)

I first try to look at possible combos that are one off in color depending as most of my breeding projects are XYZ to begin with and it's not like I am hunting a triple in most cases. If I do find possible color combos that are one off and the other dragon has the 'correct' color combo to possibly breed it then I go for it (but I will admit I forget to assay bloodlines sometimes).

For example my current breeding project is an XYZ Lavender/Pearl/X with the Goal being a white. It's true that I can settle for cream but I specifically want a female Lavendar/Rose/White as it's for a fandragon project.

I will admit finding the parents was easy and I didn't really have to assay bloodlines because one of the possible parents was an ancient and the other a modern so they were of course far removed. I changed the ancient to a modern for the breeding cooldown and will admit it's one of the few non plentiful breeding pairs I have had for some time.

Now there is sometimes an impossible or niche color combo for fandragons that I just can't find and give up. It was for a Yusaku Fujiki fandragon I cry but it is the pixel dragon game in the end and it's possible someone breeds the combo I like in the future.
Strenuously check assay bloodlines when getting more dragons to add to the project and setting up pairs. I also like to assign a letter to start names with or a theme to follow down the lineage so it's easy to see who's related at a quick glance
Strenuously check assay bloodlines when getting more dragons to add to the project and setting up pairs. I also like to assign a letter to start names with or a theme to follow down the lineage so it's easy to see who's related at a quick glance
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Abusing assay bloodlines :>
Abusing assay bloodlines :>
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