Flight Rising Discussion

[size=5]they have bird feet. [/size] let me explain now they have (including thumb) 4 digits. what has 4 digits? birds. The female pose thumb does this thing [img]https://i.imgur.com/Y0GEdAr.png[/img] and at first i though hmmm owl which looks like this (semi- zygodactyl) [img]https://i.imgur.com/dJGfP5b.png[/img] [size=2] [url= https://m.facebook.com/297254389793/photos/owls-have-zygodactyl-feet-that-means-they-can-move-one-of-their-toes-to-the-fron/10155193727184794/]Source (Facebook)[/url][/size] and then i binged it and, looking at their hands a bit more, i've come up with this little guy, the chimney swift (and other swifts) [columns][size=4] [/size] [img]https://smileypete.com/downloads/789/download/819037WoY24C62EF-194x300.jpg[/img] [size=2] [url= https://lordschimney.com/chimney-swifts/] Source [/url][/size] [nextcol] [size=4]and they do this[/size] [img]https://64.media.tumblr.com/84ca6c8ec81cefc212e174ebd33a9f53/tumblr_inline_mp0qotA6pd1qz4rgp.jpg[/img] [size=2] [url=https://a-dinosaur-a-day.com/post/734045920599162880/oh-god-everybody-buckle-up-here-come-the-bird-feet ] Source [/url][/size][/columns] with a side of whatever is happening here [img]https://64.media.tumblr.com/b6f80e636392c55d698699394f0bf6ef/tumblr_inline_moype2XFTQ1qz4rgp.jpg[/img] [size=2] [url=https://a-dinosaur-a-day.com/post/734045920599162880/oh-god-everybody-buckle-up-here-come-the-bird-feet ] Source [/url][/size] we're bringing the riggi feet here so you can look at the hatchling foot/hand, the females hand, and the males hand(and kinda the foot) [img]https://i.imgur.com/Q3YkmFC.png[/img] those pinkies laying kinda strange... maybe like they could... [img]https://i.imgur.com/YQZDD77.jpeg[/img] [size=2] [url= https://www.aiwc.ca/blog/bird-feet-particular-adaptations-with-prehistoric-roots/] Source [/url][/size] [img]https://i.imgur.com/WCCIG0H.png[/img] [size=2] [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/clan-profile/389727 ] Source [/url][/size] [img]https://i.imgur.com/DpIxsBx.png[/img] [size=2] [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/clan-profile/389727 ] Source [/url][/size] [img]https://i.imgur.com/p2kCsbi.jpeg[/img]

HOWEVER- important question: do they have mobile metacarpals like we do or is their first metacarpal fused to the rest like the 1st metatarsal is fused to the tarsometatarsus in birds?

Because if it's fused, they won't be able to grab things like we do, they can only have them opposing and never flat. Honestly, seeing the hands with the claws pointing backwards, then no, they're not fused.

surely not, as lighting dragons they've got to be able to grab/use tools (it's why sandsurges have thumbs)

I actually "read" them more like primate hands, though 4-fingered. The digit with the long claw is the inward-facing thumb, just curled in, almost like a knuckle-walk!

[quote name="@Natron" date="2024-02-06 17:45:04" ] HOWEVER- important question: do they have mobile metacarpals like we do or is their first metacarpal fused to the rest like the 1st metatarsal is fused to the tarsometatarsus in birds? Because if it's fused, they won't be able to grab things like we do, they can only have them opposing and never flat. Honestly, seeing the hands with the claws pointing backwards, then no, they're not fused. [/quote] [font=American gothic][size=4]Based off Arvelle, it looks like they're mobile!

@requacy exactly! Also, I think the ring finger (outermost) is just a bit shorter or simply more flexed, but I do love the idea of it being capable of slight rotation akin to owls, however in the case of owls, it is again due to a fused but curved metatarsal in the tarsometatarsus

I don't recognize alot of these scientific words but I do like birds so this post has my approval ^_^ I like ridgebacks even more now

the only thing that scares me is how large that brick wall must be, i have a ridgeback that's nearly 24 meters long...