Hey! I'm very new to breeding projects, but I'd like to attempt to create these guys (fandragons :)). The problem is, I'm not entirely sure how color inheritance works. I know it's not a mixture of the parent dragons' colors, but after that I'm lost. If anyone has any insight or tips for reaching specific colors that would be great! Or just share breeding project stories!
white, eldritch, rose
umber, orange, cream (or red colors)
I got these dragons as a start for breeding:
https://www1.flightrising.com/lair/254254/2496451/2?name=&type=undefined
Hey! I'm very new to breeding projects, but I'd like to attempt to create these guys (fandragons :)). The problem is, I'm not entirely sure how color inheritance works. I know it's not a mixture of the parent dragons' colors, but after that I'm lost. If anyone has any insight or tips for reaching specific colors that would be great! Or just share breeding project stories!
white, eldritch, rose
umber, orange, cream (or red colors)
I got these dragons as a start for breeding:
https://www1.flightrising.com/lair/254254/2496451/2?name=&type=undefined
@Mapleleafshade
For each color, the color is randomly chosen from in between the parent's colors! Here's the color wheel (picture not by me):
[img]https://pre05.deviantart.net/1990/th/pre/i/2016/161/f/0/flightrising_new_color_wheel_by_isellahowler-da5s3iq.png[/img]
The shortest path on the wheel is the possible colors for the offspring. The primary, secondary, and tertiary are separate. So for example, if one parent has a White primary and the other parent has an Orchid primary, their offspring's primary color could be any color between White and Orchid, with an equal chance of each one. That would be most of the white-range, all of the gray-range and black-range, and most of the purple-range.
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Mapleleafshade
For each color, the color is randomly chosen from in between the parent's colors! Here's the color wheel (picture not by me):
The shortest path on the wheel is the possible colors for the offspring. The primary, secondary, and tertiary are separate. So for example, if one parent has a White primary and the other parent has an Orchid primary, their offspring's primary color could be any color between White and Orchid, with an equal chance of each one. That would be most of the white-range, all of the gray-range and black-range, and most of the purple-range.
It is pretty straight forward.
You see the color list in Predict Morphology? you take the color of the parents as end points and the parents' colors and anything between them is a possible outcome for a child.
If one color is at the end of the list and the second one at the start it wraps around - so after pearl it starts with maize again.
It is pretty straight forward.
You see the color list in Predict Morphology? you take the color of the parents as end points and the parents' colors and anything between them is a possible outcome for a child.
If one color is at the end of the list and the second one at the start it wraps around - so after pearl it starts with maize again.
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Here is an extremely useful guide that explains everything, not just the mechanics of breeding but also strategies you can take.
I took a look at your dragons, all of the umber/orange dragons have a tertiary that's very far from cream. Technically if you're fine with orange range you could breed chartreuse with slate but then you would lose Shell, and buying a gem primary isn't optimal. Personally I wouldn't use these males for this project and wait for ones with rare primaries to show up on AH/in someone's fodder tab. But if you're fine with spending gems to speed up things up then that's ok too.
The white/eldritch/rose project is obviously lacking in pink range terts, once you find some it should be a fairly easy project.
Here is an extremely useful guide that explains everything, not just the mechanics of breeding but also strategies you can take.
I took a look at your dragons, all of the umber/orange dragons have a tertiary that's very far from cream. Technically if you're fine with orange range you could breed chartreuse with slate but then you would lose Shell, and buying a gem primary isn't optimal. Personally I wouldn't use these males for this project and wait for ones with rare primaries to show up on AH/in someone's fodder tab. But if you're fine with spending gems to speed up things up then that's ok too.
The white/eldritch/rose project is obviously lacking in pink range terts, once you find some it should be a fairly easy project.
if you’re anything like me and find big long guides overwhelming, the abridged version/how i do it is:
1) once you know your goal colors, check
THIS color list.
2) control f the primary/secondary/tert color to see
which color is 2-5 colors above and below the given goal color. the closer the better, but anything farther than
5 colors above and below will be a VERY long term breeding project (because the odds of hatching the correct colors will be so low).
3) use
scrybabies project search (not sure if we’re allowed to link it) to enter ~5 colors above and below your goal colors. i recommend it because it’s more user friendly than the AH/dragon search. specifically, it remembers your color selections so if you need to shrink or expand your search (say if you get too many or too few search results) you don’t have to scroll through the entire color wheel to re-select just 1 color above or below. it also lets you quickly search the AH and dragon search without re-entering info, and allows you to sort by gene rarity. so instead of having to (or example) remember and enter every gem gene, you just check the rare check box.
other great tools:
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Visualize Color Ranges - if you’re a procedural learner, this is probably the quickest way to get a feel for the color wheel and color ranges. you’ll notice after a certain point the range will flip to the opposite side of the wheel.
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Check Gene/Breed Rarity
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Visualize Color Range and Inheritance Probability - missing some newer genes but as long as you know the gene rarity you’re aiming for you can just enter a gene of the same rarity to get the correct predictions. one of my personal favorite tools since it has all the functionality of the first bullet but can also tell you the exact probability of hatching your goal dragon.
if you’re anything like me and find big long guides overwhelming, the abridged version/how i do it is:
1) once you know your goal colors, check
THIS color list.
2) control f the primary/secondary/tert color to see
which color is 2-5 colors above and below the given goal color. the closer the better, but anything farther than
5 colors above and below will be a VERY long term breeding project (because the odds of hatching the correct colors will be so low).
3) use
scrybabies project search (not sure if we’re allowed to link it) to enter ~5 colors above and below your goal colors. i recommend it because it’s more user friendly than the AH/dragon search. specifically, it remembers your color selections so if you need to shrink or expand your search (say if you get too many or too few search results) you don’t have to scroll through the entire color wheel to re-select just 1 color above or below. it also lets you quickly search the AH and dragon search without re-entering info, and allows you to sort by gene rarity. so instead of having to (or example) remember and enter every gem gene, you just check the rare check box.
other great tools:
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Visualize Color Ranges - if you’re a procedural learner, this is probably the quickest way to get a feel for the color wheel and color ranges. you’ll notice after a certain point the range will flip to the opposite side of the wheel.
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Check Gene/Breed Rarity
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Visualize Color Range and Inheritance Probability - missing some newer genes but as long as you know the gene rarity you’re aiming for you can just enter a gene of the same rarity to get the correct predictions. one of my personal favorite tools since it has all the functionality of the first bullet but can also tell you the exact probability of hatching your goal dragon.
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@Mapleleafshade
Here's a pair of dragons I found in Dragon Search that could help for the White/Eldritch/Rose dragon!
[url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/102343649][img]https://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/350/1023437/102343649_350.png[/img][/url]
Moon/Midnight/Rose female in a fodder tab, 10kt/g per dragon.
[url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/102332361][img]https://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/350/1023324/102332361_350.png[/img][/url]
Antique/Eldritch/Bubblegum male in a fodder tab, ~15kt/g per dragon.
That would be a 1/3 chance of White, 1/2 chance of Eldritch, and 1/2 chance of Rose. So a 1/12 chance overall.
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Mapleleafshade
Here's a pair of dragons I found in Dragon Search that could help for the White/Eldritch/Rose dragon!
Moon/Midnight/Rose female in a fodder tab, 10kt/g per dragon.
Antique/Eldritch/Bubblegum male in a fodder tab, ~15kt/g per dragon.
That would be a 1/3 chance of White, 1/2 chance of Eldritch, and 1/2 chance of Rose. So a 1/12 chance overall.
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet is the breeds of the parents you're going to use! Sometimes you can try to hatch both the right breed and colors, but your goals are veilspuns and the only way to hatch those is to breed two veils together. Ancients can only be bred with the same breed, and the available pool of dragons for any specific ancient is much smaller than the pool for modern breeds. You might find it easier to just focus on getting the right color combo, and then change the final hatch to a veil!
A tip in general for breeding projects: be patient, be organized, and have realistic expectations for how long it will take. Some of my projects were very fast, and others with rarer color combos took many generations. I personally found spreadsheets to be very helpful for keeping track of pairs and family trees, but you might find something else that works better!
Another thing that I don't think has been mentioned yet is the breeds of the parents you're going to use! Sometimes you can try to hatch both the right breed and colors, but your goals are veilspuns and the only way to hatch those is to breed two veils together. Ancients can only be bred with the same breed, and the available pool of dragons for any specific ancient is much smaller than the pool for modern breeds. You might find it easier to just focus on getting the right color combo, and then change the final hatch to a veil!
A tip in general for breeding projects: be patient, be organized, and have realistic expectations for how long it will take. Some of my projects were very fast, and others with rarer color combos took many generations. I personally found spreadsheets to be very helpful for keeping track of pairs and family trees, but you might find something else that works better!
I highly second the spreadsheet suggestion.
The lair filters are extremely limited, and with 100+ dragons in a project, it's useful to keep them all in a google sheet. I can use those filters to pair dragons together, searching for colors within my lair, genes, a combo of the two, breed, etc.
I highly second the spreadsheet suggestion.
The lair filters are extremely limited, and with 100+ dragons in a project, it's useful to keep them all in a google sheet. I can use those filters to pair dragons together, searching for colors within my lair, genes, a combo of the two, breed, etc.
My suggestion is to find your dragons through Dragon Search rather than just relying on the Auction House. Not all the dragons you’ll find will be for sale, but often the dragons you need will be sitting in someone’s fodder storage instead of being listed on the Auction House.
It does mean you’ll have to send a PM asking for the dragon instead of just pressing the “buy” button, but the inconvenience is worth it. None of my projects could have been completed without the help of exalting lairs and their massive collections of fodder.
My suggestion is to find your dragons through Dragon Search rather than just relying on the Auction House. Not all the dragons you’ll find will be for sale, but often the dragons you need will be sitting in someone’s fodder storage instead of being listed on the Auction House.
It does mean you’ll have to send a PM asking for the dragon instead of just pressing the “buy” button, but the inconvenience is worth it. None of my projects could have been completed without the help of exalting lairs and their massive collections of fodder.
I really like
this spreadsheet!
You can just paste the image address from the scrying workshop into it and it does the rest. It's got probability breakdowns, overall probability of getting the right hatchling, options to exclude breed, gender, genes, and colors! :) I dont think it's totally updated? Or maybe i'm using an outdated version, but it works for me 90% of the time
I really like
this spreadsheet!
You can just paste the image address from the scrying workshop into it and it does the rest. It's got probability breakdowns, overall probability of getting the right hatchling, options to exclude breed, gender, genes, and colors! :) I dont think it's totally updated? Or maybe i'm using an outdated version, but it works for me 90% of the time
Click this link to view this morphology in Predict Morphology.
Click this link to view this morphology in Predict Morphology.
