Flight Rising Discussion

Exactly as the title says; I understand it when it comes to imperials, since gen1 imperials are incredibly scarce, but I see people advertising their dragons as gen2's, gen3's, I even once saw someone who has a dragon they were asking for gems to let one of your dragons mate with it, and in the descriptions they said that it was a 'pure gen6'. I simply don't understand!! Pleas someone explain to me; I used to think this was about Gen1 dragons (I wondered what the big deal was), but now i LOVE gen1 dergs!! Maybe someone's reply to this will change my mind.

They must be lineage dragons, cause otherwise like.... I don't think this does actually matter at all except to a very small specific subset of users. Which feels so rude to say, but it's definitely never a thing I've heard of outside of users being like "yeah past gen1 the generation straight up doesn't matter unless it's an imp or special lineage like Naomi" in threads where people are asking for help on pricing or selling their dragons.

i think mostly lore purposes right? but that would be contained to however many people are invested in a gen1 dragon/pair (like maybe a popular lineage project?)

also being related to a famous dragon such as the naomi relative collectors

outside of these factors, i've seen a lot of people just being generally misinformed about the value of gen2s and 3s on here and thinking they'd naturally sell for more

[quote name="HalfPocket" date="2023-07-14 20:18:51" ] Exactly as the title says; I understand it when it comes to imperials, since gen1 imperials are incredibly scarce, but I see people advertising their dragons as gen2's, gen3's, I even once saw someone who has a dragon they were asking for gems to let one of your dragons mate with it, and in the descriptions they said that it was a 'pure gen6'. I simply don't understand!! Pleas someone explain to me; I used to think this was about Gen1 dragons (I wondered what the big deal was), but now i LOVE gen1 dergs!! Maybe someone's reply to this will change my mind. [/quote] LMAO okay I have this exact wording in my hatchery so I have a feeling you are referring to me with the "pure gen6" In my particular instance it's because I have a dragon that is descending from Niaomi which is a very cool piece of FR history; she herself is a Gen1 so people often breed her offspring with them. I personally dont care about them but plenty of people do

It's just fun!

Personally, I like progen kids a lot. This includes my own progen kids, but I also have a small collection of progen kids from other clans. Often they're ungened hatchlings being sold as fodder that I give a glowup. To me, they're more special than g1s because they're small fragments of another clan's founding history.

I also like breeding progen g2s together for pure progen g3s, and then breeding the g3s for g4s (I only have one such couple at the moment). It just feels nice and symmetrical to have the generations balanced, and cool to be able to trace the lineage entirely to various clan progens.

It's definitely a niche interest. But I do sometimes advertise my hatchlings as "pure progen g3" in case others share the interest.

It's not hype, it's marketing. Notice you're mostly seeing these dragons advertised for sale, not being requested or shown off by buyers. They are hoping you'll find G2 dragons interesting enough to be interested, but in practice, it is a niche within a niche at best. Some are genuinely interested, but they're few and far between.

I would also hazard a guess that newer players, unaware of what makes Imperials so noteworthy, will find G2 Imperials advertised for big prices and don't understand that the Imperial part is the bigger half of the deal. New to the dragon market, they assume G2 dragons are The Hot Thing and roll with it.

After that, it spirals. One person tries advertising other G2 dragons with the wrong impression, and other players follow their lead if they think it's a valid business strategy. Rinse and repeat. Some players might realize it's not working and move on, but more heads of the hydra still grow without them.

It's sort of like how some items on the AH are being eternally listed for comically high prices that have never been bought, because someone thought that 0 listings absolutely has to mean "rare and valuable" and not " no one has ever bothered to actually list a Feather Pouch instead of opening it as intended."

Even if one person does it as a joke or doesn't seriously expect it to sell, the next might assume the first person knows something they don't and follow the lead. And so it goes...


In general, the dragon market is oversaturated with thousands of perfectly pretty dragons, so players new and old will look for any trait that sets their dragons apart from the pack. Collectors are usually interested in things like G1s, rare colors, old dragons, and special IDs, because those traits have some personal appeal, be it rarity, history, or sheer novelty.

Meanwhile, literally everyone starts with a pair of G1 progenitors, and can even restore them if they're exalted. EXCEPT for Imperials, it is extremely easy to get your hands on a G2 dragon, so the factor for rarity is nonexistent, greatly limiting the novelty and having no inherent tie to site history unless it's, like, the world's oldest active progen pair or something.


On that note, I agree with @/Recallback that lineage dragons are different, and fall more in line under the first collectors' categories I mentioned. Having tangible relation to a particular special dragon can make their descendants more valuable in the eyes of those interested in having some connection to site history.

Heck, some create unique lineages with lore or even subspecies out of these pairs to increase buyer interest, but at that point, the fact they're G2 is just a sprinkle of salt on top of the actual value (the lore & visual appeal).

Again, though: marketing. All of this only matters as much as the buyer thinks it does, or as much as the seller can convince the buyer it does.

idk why people try to sell those for more as gen1 dragons don't even sell for more half the time

It's a niche that some people like!

Personally, I don't seek out to collect specific gen dragons most of the time but having a dragon that's a gen 2 is still really cool!
I've even got some 1st born progen dragons I've kept from when I'd buy fodder. They're gen 2s too but they're especially cool because it's a user's 1st 2 dragons and I have the first hatchling from them.

It's just something that can make good lore potential for me!

I'm also someone who sells gen 2s on the occasion that aren't imps. Again, it's more so because while there isn't a huge market for them, there are still some who think it's neat whether it be for lore or other reasons.

Dragons that are gen 3+ though? I'm not sure I've seen a market for those. Even gen 3 imps aren't as popular as the gen 2 ones. But again, it could just be the fun (or a good challenge) of having pure generation lines

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Another thing generation could refer to is lineage!

Many times this is definitely lore related & most will have a button or link in their bio that can take you to an og thread (aside from Ignis & Naomi, which afaik don't have main threads)

Dragons who are said to be "Gen 1" in lineages might really be mixed gen, gen2, etc. in terms of actual site generation. However in that lineage, they're the 1st generation to come from the "Gen 0" or starting pair of that lineage!


Some people like having lower generations while again, others may just want a dragon of any generation in the lineage.

I also happen to breed lineage dragons from both my own & a few other lineages.
2 of my own lineages use gen 1 dragons to produce gen 2s, though in the lineage they'd be called gen 1s.

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Either way, generation number doesn't necessarily mean people will have interest. But sometimes having those "bonuses" can make someone choose that dragon over a similar one that isn't low gen and/or from a lineage

edit: as for price value. Just like any dragon it's subjective!
Some users might be willing to pay 100+kt for a nice dragon regardless of generation. Others might only pay that much for a nice gen 1. Meanwhile there are still more users who would never pay that much for any dragon

I don't personally consider it hype--in fact, a lot of people don't care about them being g2s. I have a lot of g1 pairs, and I tend to use it as an explanation for why some of the prices I have are a little high (for example, my g1 pairs are fully-gened! Some of them even have total gem genes--I had to gene them myself, and their colors tend to end up unique/fascinating), if that makes any sense? 0:

I accidentally started collecting g3 Imps; I own one g2 Imp and I'd love to own more. Canonically, g1 Imps were said to be created by Lightweaver herself, so from a lore perspective g1 Imps have a bit of that divine spark and g2/g3 Imps could be lored as demigods. Which isn't to say that you can't have that kind of lore for other dragons! (also very few of my dragons have actual lore, because I am a slacker) But I just think they're neat.

I have a lineage project where I'm giving the dragon pair I've owned the longest 100 generations of descendants and they're at gen67 now with gen68 hatching in a few days. But that's just of personal geeky interest to me, I'm not trying to sell them for big stonks.