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TOPIC | Dragon Locomotion! Help w/ ideas
There are animals that walk on two legs on the same side like a m!pc stands.

Giraffes and camels, for example. They walk like that because unlike say, the horse, their legs are long and their body is short, so they must move their front leg forward so that their back leg doesn't clip on their front leg. A horse in comparison doesn't have to do this because their body is long enough for their back leg to never touch their front leg when walking.

So tldr, PC's have short backs, maybe? Kinda fits with the weird looking back of the m!pc imo
There are animals that walk on two legs on the same side like a m!pc stands.

Giraffes and camels, for example. They walk like that because unlike say, the horse, their legs are long and their body is short, so they must move their front leg forward so that their back leg doesn't clip on their front leg. A horse in comparison doesn't have to do this because their body is long enough for their back leg to never touch their front leg when walking.

So tldr, PC's have short backs, maybe? Kinda fits with the weird looking back of the m!pc imo
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@Dreamson I think that the fact that the pearl is there must still be accounted for. I am not so certain that they are actually in that giraffe style since even with their short torsos their legs aren't nearly as long in comparison to camels and similar animals. There is also the issue of weight distribution. Camels and giraffes both have longer front legs and more weighty front-bodies, while the PC has shorter front-legs with a still more heavy front. This implies that to move forward without stumbling the front legs must be well grounded before taking a step or else the dragon may just face plant. With the addition of the pearl held in one leg I would imagine their gait to be considerably irregular (so much for their snobby attitude), the step that is being taken here being the quickest, reaching forward and grounding the animal quickly before it loses balance. [img]https://www1.flightrising.com/dgen/preview/dragon?age=1&body=2&bodygene=7&breed=4&element=2&eyetype=3&gender=0&tert=61&tertgene=11&winggene=1&wings=2&auth=d5d5f0cc37f03051507a76c39ca09059f620ef2e&dummyext=prev.png[/img] Think of it like a limping creature. If they do however walk on the pearl and this is actually them walking by stepping with both legs from the sade side at the same time I would imagine their walking cycle to be quite heavy, still not very gracious due to the heavy weight that would always land abruptly onto the front legs. If we were to discard the hindrance of the pearl I'd think they would walk very akin to a maiasaura: [img]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/61/ef/e661efd305265c067e5026cd7e21d4f4.png[/img] Tho the problem still remains in the fact that Maias are extremely heavy on their hips and tail, which allows them to briefly sprint off in two legs, while PC's are still too front heavy to allow that. I'll have to really toy around with them when I get to start sketching their cycle because their anatomy compared to the other dragon breeds is just weird >.>
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I think that the fact that the pearl is there must still be accounted for. I am not so certain that they are actually in that giraffe style since even with their short torsos their legs aren't nearly as long in comparison to camels and similar animals. There is also the issue of weight distribution. Camels and giraffes both have longer front legs and more weighty front-bodies, while the PC has shorter front-legs with a still more heavy front. This implies that to move forward without stumbling the front legs must be well grounded before taking a step or else the dragon may just face plant.

With the addition of the pearl held in one leg I would imagine their gait to be considerably irregular (so much for their snobby attitude), the step that is being taken here being the quickest, reaching forward and grounding the animal quickly before it loses balance.
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Think of it like a limping creature.

If they do however walk on the pearl and this is actually them walking by stepping with both legs from the sade side at the same time I would imagine their walking cycle to be quite heavy, still not very gracious due to the heavy weight that would always land abruptly onto the front legs.

If we were to discard the hindrance of the pearl I'd think they would walk very akin to a maiasaura:
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Tho the problem still remains in the fact that Maias are extremely heavy on their hips and tail, which allows them to briefly sprint off in two legs, while PC's are still too front heavy to allow that.

I'll have to really toy around with them when I get to start sketching their cycle because their anatomy compared to the other dragon breeds is just weird >.>
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Speaking of Mirrors, that's really one of the things that irks me the most: the fact that canon lore paints them as poor fliers.

Look at their wings. Out of almost all the dragons on FR, Mirror wings are (at least what I've found) the most likely to actually be able to support the dragon in flight. Of course, their weight is an issue, but their wing size is a lot more realistic for flight.

Their body structure gives me the impression that they'd be very good at swimming and potentially good at flying. Plus, with that long tail, they could use it underwater like a thresher shark.

Plus, there's the issue of aerodynamics with other breeds. I'm sorry, but as much as I love Ridgebacks all that bulk and spiny stuff would not be good for sustained flight. Same with Guardians and their huge chest sail. Oh, and Tundras with all that extra fur....


tldr: my headcanon is that Mirrors are great fliers please @ me if you agree
Speaking of Mirrors, that's really one of the things that irks me the most: the fact that canon lore paints them as poor fliers.

Look at their wings. Out of almost all the dragons on FR, Mirror wings are (at least what I've found) the most likely to actually be able to support the dragon in flight. Of course, their weight is an issue, but their wing size is a lot more realistic for flight.

Their body structure gives me the impression that they'd be very good at swimming and potentially good at flying. Plus, with that long tail, they could use it underwater like a thresher shark.

Plus, there's the issue of aerodynamics with other breeds. I'm sorry, but as much as I love Ridgebacks all that bulk and spiny stuff would not be good for sustained flight. Same with Guardians and their huge chest sail. Oh, and Tundras with all that extra fur....


tldr: my headcanon is that Mirrors are great fliers please @ me if you agree
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Banescale: I see them as flying beautifully and walking a bit awkwardly, like an eagle or condor. It'd be funny if they bounced several times when landing, like condors.
(@artemisaEternity I would like to point out that the idea of squatting for hours being painful is a specifically modern Western concept; many Asian and tribal cultures have very few chairs and squat instead of sitting to relax. Those people are capable of holding the position for hours because they've been accustomed to it ever since they learned to walk.)

Bogsneak: These guys are just like Komodo dragons. Slow, stolid, capable of sprinting. "Very dangerous over short distances." I don't really see them as being able to fly? Even given the fact that Sorneith's gravitational pull is lower than Earth's.

Coatl: In the air, definitely gliders more than flappers. On the ground, walking with small, mincing steps like a bushdog. Capable of bipedal stances but not really of walking bipedally--like a meerkat.

Fae: I usually have them flying constantly in my lore; they rarely land, and when they do it's only for a second or to sleep, like butterflies. If a Fae were grounded, I imagine they'd move like a squirrel or flying squirrel. I can see their wings getting in the way, though. They have a really big wing width:body
width ratio. Also capable of some bipedal stance/movement like a squirrel.

Gaoler: Walks somewhere between a bear, a Siberian Tiger, and a Cape Buffalo. Capable of charging. Not capable of flight. Good at climbing cliffs and glacier crevasses, using their wings as an extra set of hands.

Guardian: Since these are the most "typical Western" dragon breed, they would move rather like a panther. Due to the shape of the body I can't see them as being really good at running; however, the powerful hind legs would enable them to take off from a standstill with a mighty leap, unlike Mirrors or Coatls. Their flight would have to heavily involve flapping unless they got into a really good updraft.

Imperial: Since these are heavily based off of Eastern dragons, I imagine they walk in a very serpentine fashion, like a long, thin lizard, i.e. the front legs and back legs could be going in opposite directions for a brief moment in time. Unlike most Eastern dragons, however, they have wings. Barring the "magic, duh" explanation, I think they'd have to take off from a high vantage point, like a mountain or a balcony. Once airborne, however, I think they'd be very graceful, like an albatross or Auk. Or again, like a condor.

Mirror: Easy lope of the wolf when traveling; mad dash of the attacking cougar when going in for the kill. According to the official lore they do better at gliding than flapping, and I bet they'd have to flap quite hard to get airborne. Maybe they run really fast and do a kind of jump/glide combo, or if they're actually planning to take off, they run while flapping their wings like a swan does.
(@ahzidal I agree that their art does make them look like good fliers, given their wingsize:body ratio! Perhaps it's a secret propaganda lie, that they spread to throw their enemies off-guard.)

Nocturne: These guys are very much like overgrown bats; they fly erratically, capable of instant changes of direction due to the narrow, sickle-shaped wings. They'd look like a bat or a swallow/swift. I think that, like a bat or chimney swift, they'd prefer vertical surfaces to flat ones when making a landing. They'd also be good climbers, like squirrels. They could run up and down trees or cliffs with ease, but they'd have to walk more like Coatls on the ground. Short little steps. Their bodies don't look long/flexible enough for them to do the "inchworm jump" like a squirrel or weasel.

Pearlcatcher: Hmm. I like the Maiasaurus/Plateosaurus explanation. They'd definitely be capable of bipedal stances with those long hind legs. I really think most Pearlies would have some kind of bag or case for their pearl, rather than actually trying to walk with it most of the time. Obviously their four-legged gait would be awkward if they were carrying it in a claw, but if not, I think they'd walk more like monkeys. Baboons or macaques specifically. In flight, they'd be slow and steady fliers, kind of like ducks. Like Guardians, they'd probably be able to take off from a standstill due to their long, strong hind legs.

Ridgeback: They would absolutely have to walk with some kind of a goose-stepping motion (where the legs are thrust forward rather than back when lifted) to avoid impaling themselves with those long sickle-claws! (kind of like a Hackney pony) In flight, they would use long, slow flaps and let their legs hang down, like a heron. Actually, given that they hate water yet eat fish, I can see them very like a heron in their hunting stances. Those sickle-claws of theirs would be perfect for stabbing fish with a minimum of splashing.

Skydancer: Everything about this dragon says "graceful". Deerlike in walking or running, falconlike in flight. They would definitely be capable of some bipedal motion as well. (At least, the female pose suggests that.)

Snapper: Galapagos tortoise! 'Nuf said. Pretty sure they can't fly. But, they also have some similarities to elephants as well.

Spiral: These are the only dragons for which I can't really come up with a good real-world reference. I really see them as somehow being suspended in the air, constantly in a circling motion, like one of those little drone toys for kids. The speed of their motion would vary based on how excited they were at the moment.
Oh! I have it. Search for a video of a sea snake shedding its skin underwater. That's more like what I see them doing, only somehow being able to suspend in air.

Tundra: These look a lot like lynxes to me. I can see them running and pouncing in the snow, just like a lynx or snow leopard. Flying would probably not be very frequent with them, but I bet they'd mostly flap slowly and remain close to the ground, like a quail or grouse.

Wildclaw: Since these are so much like Velociraptors/Deinonychus dinosaurs, that's obviously the mental image I have for them running. I honestly have a very difficult time imagining them flying, despite those big wings. I guess they'd fly something like we imagine an angel/winged humanoid? Holding their body vertically instead of horizontally for the most part.
Banescale: I see them as flying beautifully and walking a bit awkwardly, like an eagle or condor. It'd be funny if they bounced several times when landing, like condors.
(@artemisaEternity I would like to point out that the idea of squatting for hours being painful is a specifically modern Western concept; many Asian and tribal cultures have very few chairs and squat instead of sitting to relax. Those people are capable of holding the position for hours because they've been accustomed to it ever since they learned to walk.)

Bogsneak: These guys are just like Komodo dragons. Slow, stolid, capable of sprinting. "Very dangerous over short distances." I don't really see them as being able to fly? Even given the fact that Sorneith's gravitational pull is lower than Earth's.

Coatl: In the air, definitely gliders more than flappers. On the ground, walking with small, mincing steps like a bushdog. Capable of bipedal stances but not really of walking bipedally--like a meerkat.

Fae: I usually have them flying constantly in my lore; they rarely land, and when they do it's only for a second or to sleep, like butterflies. If a Fae were grounded, I imagine they'd move like a squirrel or flying squirrel. I can see their wings getting in the way, though. They have a really big wing width:body
width ratio. Also capable of some bipedal stance/movement like a squirrel.

Gaoler: Walks somewhere between a bear, a Siberian Tiger, and a Cape Buffalo. Capable of charging. Not capable of flight. Good at climbing cliffs and glacier crevasses, using their wings as an extra set of hands.

Guardian: Since these are the most "typical Western" dragon breed, they would move rather like a panther. Due to the shape of the body I can't see them as being really good at running; however, the powerful hind legs would enable them to take off from a standstill with a mighty leap, unlike Mirrors or Coatls. Their flight would have to heavily involve flapping unless they got into a really good updraft.

Imperial: Since these are heavily based off of Eastern dragons, I imagine they walk in a very serpentine fashion, like a long, thin lizard, i.e. the front legs and back legs could be going in opposite directions for a brief moment in time. Unlike most Eastern dragons, however, they have wings. Barring the "magic, duh" explanation, I think they'd have to take off from a high vantage point, like a mountain or a balcony. Once airborne, however, I think they'd be very graceful, like an albatross or Auk. Or again, like a condor.

Mirror: Easy lope of the wolf when traveling; mad dash of the attacking cougar when going in for the kill. According to the official lore they do better at gliding than flapping, and I bet they'd have to flap quite hard to get airborne. Maybe they run really fast and do a kind of jump/glide combo, or if they're actually planning to take off, they run while flapping their wings like a swan does.
(@ahzidal I agree that their art does make them look like good fliers, given their wingsize:body ratio! Perhaps it's a secret propaganda lie, that they spread to throw their enemies off-guard.)

Nocturne: These guys are very much like overgrown bats; they fly erratically, capable of instant changes of direction due to the narrow, sickle-shaped wings. They'd look like a bat or a swallow/swift. I think that, like a bat or chimney swift, they'd prefer vertical surfaces to flat ones when making a landing. They'd also be good climbers, like squirrels. They could run up and down trees or cliffs with ease, but they'd have to walk more like Coatls on the ground. Short little steps. Their bodies don't look long/flexible enough for them to do the "inchworm jump" like a squirrel or weasel.

Pearlcatcher: Hmm. I like the Maiasaurus/Plateosaurus explanation. They'd definitely be capable of bipedal stances with those long hind legs. I really think most Pearlies would have some kind of bag or case for their pearl, rather than actually trying to walk with it most of the time. Obviously their four-legged gait would be awkward if they were carrying it in a claw, but if not, I think they'd walk more like monkeys. Baboons or macaques specifically. In flight, they'd be slow and steady fliers, kind of like ducks. Like Guardians, they'd probably be able to take off from a standstill due to their long, strong hind legs.

Ridgeback: They would absolutely have to walk with some kind of a goose-stepping motion (where the legs are thrust forward rather than back when lifted) to avoid impaling themselves with those long sickle-claws! (kind of like a Hackney pony) In flight, they would use long, slow flaps and let their legs hang down, like a heron. Actually, given that they hate water yet eat fish, I can see them very like a heron in their hunting stances. Those sickle-claws of theirs would be perfect for stabbing fish with a minimum of splashing.

Skydancer: Everything about this dragon says "graceful". Deerlike in walking or running, falconlike in flight. They would definitely be capable of some bipedal motion as well. (At least, the female pose suggests that.)

Snapper: Galapagos tortoise! 'Nuf said. Pretty sure they can't fly. But, they also have some similarities to elephants as well.

Spiral: These are the only dragons for which I can't really come up with a good real-world reference. I really see them as somehow being suspended in the air, constantly in a circling motion, like one of those little drone toys for kids. The speed of their motion would vary based on how excited they were at the moment.
Oh! I have it. Search for a video of a sea snake shedding its skin underwater. That's more like what I see them doing, only somehow being able to suspend in air.

Tundra: These look a lot like lynxes to me. I can see them running and pouncing in the snow, just like a lynx or snow leopard. Flying would probably not be very frequent with them, but I bet they'd mostly flap slowly and remain close to the ground, like a quail or grouse.

Wildclaw: Since these are so much like Velociraptors/Deinonychus dinosaurs, that's obviously the mental image I have for them running. I honestly have a very difficult time imagining them flying, despite those big wings. I guess they'd fly something like we imagine an angel/winged humanoid? Holding their body vertically instead of horizontally for the most part.
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If you take notice (or even try yourself) of how these native groups have been depicted, crouching and sitting around a fire you may notice that they are basically sitting on their ankles, literally butt to ankle. That way the weight of the body falls directly onto the feet which relieves the thigh of the great effort of holding the body at an awkward angle. That is still not an ideal position to walk in.

With the PC's I'll stress again about the problems with the two legged walk. The weight distribution in them is all wrong. If only their design included thicker hips and thighs plus a thicker and longer tail perhaps that way of locomotion would be plausible. But really their tails are too lion like (rather thin at the base) and their chests are too wide and heavy even for those strong looking legs. They would probably stand up like dogs and cats do, briefly and not very gracefully.

I still think ungulate references are a big no no, well I know so, the leg anatomy is too extremely different even if the graceful steps of a deer instantly come to mind when looking at skydancers. I am more inclined to believe that they would rather walk like a graceful canine (greyhound) or long legged cat (cheetah).

Now your take on imperials intrigues me. So far people have only suggested ferret but long lizard does actually feels more organic. I'd say the arched position from the male pose likely happened to better fit the animal on the profile and it may not resemble the animal's natural movements too much, it could also be more a warning pose? I'll surely try lizard when I tackle the imp cycle.

I hadn't given much thought to ridge spines hindering their movement but now that I think about it it makes a ton of sense. I'll also have to keep that in mind for their cycle, see how they would deal with their spines more naturally.

Also, yas for snapper=turtle, I always imagined them being suuuuper slow.
@Byx26
If you take notice (or even try yourself) of how these native groups have been depicted, crouching and sitting around a fire you may notice that they are basically sitting on their ankles, literally butt to ankle. That way the weight of the body falls directly onto the feet which relieves the thigh of the great effort of holding the body at an awkward angle. That is still not an ideal position to walk in.

With the PC's I'll stress again about the problems with the two legged walk. The weight distribution in them is all wrong. If only their design included thicker hips and thighs plus a thicker and longer tail perhaps that way of locomotion would be plausible. But really their tails are too lion like (rather thin at the base) and their chests are too wide and heavy even for those strong looking legs. They would probably stand up like dogs and cats do, briefly and not very gracefully.

I still think ungulate references are a big no no, well I know so, the leg anatomy is too extremely different even if the graceful steps of a deer instantly come to mind when looking at skydancers. I am more inclined to believe that they would rather walk like a graceful canine (greyhound) or long legged cat (cheetah).

Now your take on imperials intrigues me. So far people have only suggested ferret but long lizard does actually feels more organic. I'd say the arched position from the male pose likely happened to better fit the animal on the profile and it may not resemble the animal's natural movements too much, it could also be more a warning pose? I'll surely try lizard when I tackle the imp cycle.

I hadn't given much thought to ridge spines hindering their movement but now that I think about it it makes a ton of sense. I'll also have to keep that in mind for their cycle, see how they would deal with their spines more naturally.

Also, yas for snapper=turtle, I always imagined them being suuuuper slow.
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Hmm, there was a whole thread with animations on it from a while ago. Let me see if I can find it! Here it is! [quote][color=63513f]I just need to share these omg (these all belong to @ Luciellia!)[/color] [img]http://31.media.tumblr.com/ed407beb6ba1d46320f7c81d3985de7e/tumblr_ngtaiwTDmn1scc5nro1_1280.gif[/img] [img]http://38.media.tumblr.com/b0fde9cb5f5d53b5fac5231705170cb8/tumblr_ngpwrgR3TX1scc5nro1_1280.gif[/img] [img]http://49.media.tumblr.com/258fd528c07cb7881372453b3e77037d/tumblr_ngply263sL1scc5nro1_1280.gif[/img] [img]http://33.media.tumblr.com/ca6ce86480d15b6e64a129229de9bd72/tumblr_ngp77ojlLS1scc5nro1_1280.gif[/img] [img]http://45.media.tumblr.com/47d0ec0a337e84302f5b2e6906cef9ef/tumblr_ngnxf4ED3X1scc5nro1_1280.gif[/img] [/quote] also just because it cracks me up every time I come across it, how do snappers move, and why do they have such long back legs? [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/1611070][quote name="StellarBlitz" date=2015-10-25 12:46:43] [quote name="owligator" date=2015-10-24 18:30:46] SNAPPERS THO..let me indulge myself i need to get this off my CHEST snappers have?? really long hind legs?? generally speaking quadrupedal ground-dwelling animals should have legs that are the same length, or at least very similar lengths. but look at this lil watermelon [img]https://36.media.tumblr.com/c894ad489085e1a55883d314f4be6f1e/tumblr_nwqwhabVgm1r9hauso1_400.png[/img] her front legs convey a standing position but those are the hind legs of a squattin' dragon. what does this mean [img]https://40.media.tumblr.com/e6e734a4171f368bd4679d5904566153/tumblr_nwqwhabVgm1r9hauso2_400.png[/img] thats what it means NOW there are a few irl terrestrial quadrupeds that have hind legs significantly longer than their front ones!! for example, kangaroos and toads and frogs. but let me ask you. what do these creatures have in common [b] they jump [/b] i can imagine a few possible gaits for snappers. lets be creative. please excuse my mediocre animation skills option 1: "the bellyflop" [img]https://33.media.tumblr.com/d7335350a443cea746c2db197b592903/tumblr_nwqwhabVgm1r9hauso4_r1_1280.gif[/img] option 2: "the 45 degree angle" [img]https://33.media.tumblr.com/fad81d00cb1175038e0f5200d631fc67/tumblr_nwqwhabVgm1r9hauso3_r1_500.gif[/img] and last but not least, option 3: "the hot legs" [img]https://38.media.tumblr.com/0b26d4dc45333e0e99567e0a1a34591a/tumblr_nwqwhabVgm1r9hauso6_r1_500.gif[/img] [/quote] @ owligator [img]http://i.imgur.com/eP9xXMt.png[/img] [/quote] [quote name="Finnley" date=2015-10-25 16:21:21] [quote name="After" date=2015-10-25 15:03:08] [quote name="owligator" date=2015-10-25 14:34:02] @ SleepyChipmunk it would explain why dragonhome has so many craters am i right @ StellarBlitz REGRET [img]https://36.media.tumblr.com/52cfe59c0ad7130f6ebd12febcf4e939/tumblr_nwqwhabVgm1r9hauso8_r2_500.png[/img] [/quote] [i]sPITS DRINK OH MY GOD[/i] [/quote] @ Admins STOCKING APPAREL PLZ [/quote]
Hmm, there was a whole thread with animations on it from a while ago. Let me see if I can find it!

Here it is!
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I just need to share these omg (these all belong to @ Luciellia!)
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also just because it cracks me up every time I come across it, how do snappers move, and why do they have such long back legs?

StellarBlitz wrote on 2015-10-25:
owligator wrote on 2015-10-24:
SNAPPERS THO..let me indulge myself i need to get this off my CHEST

snappers have?? really long hind legs?? generally speaking quadrupedal ground-dwelling animals should have legs that are the same length, or at least very similar lengths. but look at this lil watermelon
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her front legs convey a standing position but those are the hind legs of a squattin' dragon. what does this mean
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thats what it means

NOW there are a few irl terrestrial quadrupeds that have hind legs significantly longer than their front ones!! for example, kangaroos and toads and frogs. but let me ask you. what do these creatures have in common

they jump

i can imagine a few possible gaits for snappers. lets be creative. please excuse my mediocre animation skills

option 1: "the bellyflop"
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option 2: "the 45 degree angle"
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and last but not least, option 3: "the hot legs"
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@ owligator

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Finnley wrote on 2015-10-25:
After wrote on 2015-10-25:
owligator wrote on 2015-10-25:
@ SleepyChipmunk it would explain why dragonhome has so many craters am i right

@ StellarBlitz REGRET
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@artemisaeternity I didn't say PCs would WALK bipedally, just that they would be capable of bipedal stances. Lots of critters naturally have bipedal stances without being able to walk like that. Squirrels, meerkats, spotted skunks [emoji=guardian laughing size=1], gerenuk (actually that's a pretty good reference for PCs! Look up gerenuk.) In all honesty, none of these references are ideal. Each dragon on FR is portrayed with a backward-bending front limb, like a human elbow, and a forward-bending hind limb, like a human knee. Most animals, ungulates, canines, and felines included, have much shorter humerus bones resulting in the appearance of a "knee" on the front limbs, and much longer tarsals resulting in the appearance of an "elbow" on the back limbs. As a deer or dog picks its way over uncertain ground, the front limbs come up forwards and the main joint hovers underneath the neck/head. If a human/Skydancer was doing the same on all fours, they would bring their front limbs up underneath their chest. I guess "birdlike" is the best way to describe Skydancers' walking motion. Delicately picking their way along as though they'd rather be flying. Considering their origins are in Wind, I guess they would rather be flying. As to the Banescale males, I really don't see them as relaxed due to the position of the wings. Particularly with the addition of the Fans tert. They look like they're half raised out of a relaxed position, hackles raised, hissing a threat. It's very dynamic. In the next instant they'll either relax, or spring forward. [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/57361512][img]https://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/350/573616/57361512_350.png[/img][/url]
@artemisaeternity

I didn't say PCs would WALK bipedally, just that they would be capable of bipedal stances. Lots of critters naturally have bipedal stances without being able to walk like that. Squirrels, meerkats, spotted skunks , gerenuk (actually that's a pretty good reference for PCs! Look up gerenuk.)

In all honesty, none of these references are ideal. Each dragon on FR is portrayed with a backward-bending front limb, like a human elbow, and a forward-bending hind limb, like a human knee. Most animals, ungulates, canines, and felines included, have much shorter humerus bones resulting in the appearance of a "knee" on the front limbs, and much longer tarsals resulting in the appearance of an "elbow" on the back limbs.

As a deer or dog picks its way over uncertain ground, the front limbs come up forwards and the main joint hovers underneath the neck/head. If a human/Skydancer was doing the same on all fours, they would bring their front limbs up underneath their chest.

I guess "birdlike" is the best way to describe Skydancers' walking motion. Delicately picking their way along as though they'd rather be flying. Considering their origins are in Wind, I guess they would rather be flying.

As to the Banescale males, I really don't see them as relaxed due to the position of the wings. Particularly with the addition of the Fans tert. They look like they're half raised out of a relaxed position, hackles raised, hissing a threat. It's very dynamic. In the next instant they'll either relax, or spring forward.

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I totally misread. Yeah, they would likely be able to hold that stance for some time, kind of like the animation shown above but without the walking. A pouch would be a good solution but in many peeps headcanon their PC's don't wear clothes and Id like to think that like any good creature resulted from evolution (although FR's evolution involves the imagination of their gods) they should be able to operate with the sole aid of their own anatomy... Mmm their tails look prehensile enough... maybe they just carry the pearl with the tail~

And yeah, dragon front legs are mostly human looking, with really short metacarpus, tho most felines have relatively short metacarpus as well, I usually reference dogs more (although for animating the cycle I would still make some adaptations) for the long legged dragon breeds since the most similar feline would be cheetas, and they are usually catalogued as very canine-looking felines in regards to their structure and gait.

Taking into account the lenght of the humerus most breeds do actually have a more feline-like anatomy. The problem most breeds present is that their hind legs are too long while their tails aren't exactly long, heavy and stiff enough to be considered proper counter-balances.


The snappers as shown above by @Stormdragon have just left me speechless... there is no freaking way that can be made to work without editing the anatomy of the official artwork... like... raptor turtles aren't a thing e.o
They are basically doing the *sit on ankles* thing but ALWAYS, not just to rest but to walk around too?
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I totally misread. Yeah, they would likely be able to hold that stance for some time, kind of like the animation shown above but without the walking. A pouch would be a good solution but in many peeps headcanon their PC's don't wear clothes and Id like to think that like any good creature resulted from evolution (although FR's evolution involves the imagination of their gods) they should be able to operate with the sole aid of their own anatomy... Mmm their tails look prehensile enough... maybe they just carry the pearl with the tail~

And yeah, dragon front legs are mostly human looking, with really short metacarpus, tho most felines have relatively short metacarpus as well, I usually reference dogs more (although for animating the cycle I would still make some adaptations) for the long legged dragon breeds since the most similar feline would be cheetas, and they are usually catalogued as very canine-looking felines in regards to their structure and gait.

Taking into account the lenght of the humerus most breeds do actually have a more feline-like anatomy. The problem most breeds present is that their hind legs are too long while their tails aren't exactly long, heavy and stiff enough to be considered proper counter-balances.


The snappers as shown above by @Stormdragon have just left me speechless... there is no freaking way that can be made to work without editing the anatomy of the official artwork... like... raptor turtles aren't a thing e.o
They are basically doing the *sit on ankles* thing but ALWAYS, not just to rest but to walk around too?
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