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[quote name="Jemadar" date="2018-06-15 10:57:24" ] I just want to clarify my position on things and why I am still upset about this. I love reading. I have hundreds or more of free online fiction saved to my computer to reread at leisure. When I first started out, I didn't know where to find the 'good stuff' so the fiction, while having good plots, was relatively mediocre in implementation. I now know where to find the well written stories, so the stories I get are much better in implementation. When I read a story full of misused words, homonyms, grammar mistakes etc.. I over look them and overlook a lot of 'plot holes' if I like the overall story. However, when I read a story that is excellently written, I am MUCH more nit-picky about misspellings and using the wrong words, and much much more critical of plot holes. Why? Because all the mistakes get lost in the first story, while in the second one, they are glaringly obvious. This update is like that. If the update were, as some people are trying to say those complaining feel, simply horrible, then I would just shrug and move on. However, it wasn't. It was a genuinely good update. I think new eye variants would and will be something to get people interested in breeding again, and it is tangential to what many users wanted: ways to change eyes of dragons. While this isn't a full on 'eye color change' these eyes can help those who want more customization. BUT, how they implemented it is absolutely horrible. A quick perusal of the suggestions forum would show that most users want MORE control over their dragons and hatchlings, not less. Even people who are in favor of randomization mostly, it seems, wanted to at least be able to opt in to such a feature instead of it being forced on all dragons and all breeding pairs. Many players also have old dragons they consider 'irreplaceable' and thus don't want to be 'locked out' of updates that allow further customization. Excluding every single existing dragon, as they were, from the sound of it, going to do would also be something that should have been fairly easy to see wouldn't go down. (yes we get 'glowing' eyes, but, just like the breeding only eyes, they aren't necessarily interchangeable with each other, someone who wants primal on their dragon, might not necessarily want glowing, and someone who loves glowing might hate multi-eyes. Even future eyes won't alleviate this problem because someone who thinks primal is PERFECT for their elemental mage dragon might not necessarily (since I don't know what it coming out) find any of the new unnatural eye types that fit that character. I do understand staying true to a vision and that this is their site, not ours. However, don't be surprised at backlash when your vision doesn't line up with the player's vision. [/quote] ^ This is the perfect analogy for this, it explains things really well. I'm the same, I think it's a fantastic update to have new eyes for my dragons, and that's exactly why the poor implementation was so incredibly frustrating. I have one dragon in particular I would love to have multi-gaze on for example, and it's just not possible to get it with how things were implemented. I could use up every vial I have and still never even get faceted, let alone multi-gaze. I commented something about this quite a few pages back, but it really is the lack of choice that's so frustrating. I want to be able to choose between randomization and certainty. I like being able to hatch a nest and not know what eyes I might get, but I also want to be able to change them to something more agreeable if they're terrible. Humans need autonomy, and the complete absense of choice with this update is what makes it so incredibly frustrating for the majority of users.
Jemadar wrote on 2018-06-15 10:57:24:
I just want to clarify my position on things and why I am still upset about this.

I love reading. I have hundreds or more of free online fiction saved to my computer to reread at leisure.

When I first started out, I didn't know where to find the 'good stuff' so the fiction, while having good plots, was relatively mediocre in implementation. I now know where to find the well written stories, so the stories I get are much better in implementation.

When I read a story full of misused words, homonyms, grammar mistakes etc.. I over look them and overlook a lot of 'plot holes' if I like the overall story. However, when I read a story that is excellently written, I am MUCH more nit-picky about misspellings and using the wrong words, and much much more critical of plot holes.

Why? Because all the mistakes get lost in the first story, while in the second one, they are glaringly obvious.

This update is like that. If the update were, as some people are trying to say those complaining feel, simply horrible, then I would just shrug and move on.

However, it wasn't. It was a genuinely good update. I think new eye variants would and will be something to get people interested in breeding again, and it is tangential to what many users wanted: ways to change eyes of dragons. While this isn't a full on 'eye color change' these eyes can help those who want more customization.

BUT, how they implemented it is absolutely horrible. A quick perusal of the suggestions forum would show that most users want MORE control over their dragons and hatchlings, not less. Even people who are in favor of randomization mostly, it seems, wanted to at least be able to opt in to such a feature instead of it being forced on all dragons and all breeding pairs.

Many players also have old dragons they consider 'irreplaceable' and thus don't want to be 'locked out' of updates that allow further customization. Excluding every single existing dragon, as they were, from the sound of it, going to do would also be something that should have been fairly easy to see wouldn't go down. (yes we get 'glowing' eyes, but, just like the breeding only eyes, they aren't necessarily interchangeable with each other, someone who wants primal on their dragon, might not necessarily want glowing, and someone who loves glowing might hate multi-eyes. Even future eyes won't alleviate this problem because someone who thinks primal is PERFECT for their elemental mage dragon might not necessarily (since I don't know what it coming out) find any of the new unnatural eye types that fit that character.

I do understand staying true to a vision and that this is their site, not ours. However, don't be surprised at backlash when your vision doesn't line up with the player's vision.

^ This is the perfect analogy for this, it explains things really well. I'm the same, I think it's a fantastic update to have new eyes for my dragons, and that's exactly why the poor implementation was so incredibly frustrating. I have one dragon in particular I would love to have multi-gaze on for example, and it's just not possible to get it with how things were implemented. I could use up every vial I have and still never even get faceted, let alone multi-gaze.

I commented something about this quite a few pages back, but it really is the lack of choice that's so frustrating. I want to be able to choose between randomization and certainty. I like being able to hatch a nest and not know what eyes I might get, but I also want to be able to change them to something more agreeable if they're terrible. Humans need autonomy, and the complete absense of choice with this update is what makes it so incredibly frustrating for the majority of users.
I was cooling off, about the whole thing, but then this thing about the "policy" being not to comment popped up. I'm a little confused, as I couldn't find ANY statement to this nature in ANY forum policy, ToU, Rules & Policies, or elsewhere. If anyone knows when and where this has been stated officially, I'd love to read it.
I was cooling off, about the whole thing, but then this thing about the "policy" being not to comment popped up. I'm a little confused, as I couldn't find ANY statement to this nature in ANY forum policy, ToU, Rules & Policies, or elsewhere. If anyone knows when and where this has been stated officially, I'd love to read it.
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While I personally like the new lore and the new eyes and am glad that they've revitalized my desire to work on my own lore, the frustration and anxiety of so many users on this site definitely dampened my enjoyment of the event and the new features.

I especially feel for those whose beloved dragons were dramatically changed by the new common eyes. I've seen several examples posted that just made my heart ache for the owners of those dragons because of how different they looked.

I sympathize with those who have extreme reactions to some of the new eyes and am sorry that this creates accessibility issues for them.

I also feel for those who desperately want the new eyes for their older dragons (or even new hatchlings). While I'm not in this camp, I very well could be in the future - I can just imagine needing X eyes for a certain lore dragon and trying (probably futilely, given the odds) with the dwindling vials on the site to obtain them. Right now I'm content with having common eyes on my older dragons, as that's how they were hatched and how I've always enjoyed them (art updates to the common eyes aside), but in the future I might be in the same boat as the users who poured over a hundred vials into a single dragon only to not get the eyes they wanted.

I really don't like the idea of limited, consumable items and the precedence it sets for having something like this again in the future. Limited/retiring items? Fine. Consumable items? Fine. Consumable items that retire forever after three days? That's a lot of heartbreak and resentment, both now and far into the future.
While I personally like the new lore and the new eyes and am glad that they've revitalized my desire to work on my own lore, the frustration and anxiety of so many users on this site definitely dampened my enjoyment of the event and the new features.

I especially feel for those whose beloved dragons were dramatically changed by the new common eyes. I've seen several examples posted that just made my heart ache for the owners of those dragons because of how different they looked.

I sympathize with those who have extreme reactions to some of the new eyes and am sorry that this creates accessibility issues for them.

I also feel for those who desperately want the new eyes for their older dragons (or even new hatchlings). While I'm not in this camp, I very well could be in the future - I can just imagine needing X eyes for a certain lore dragon and trying (probably futilely, given the odds) with the dwindling vials on the site to obtain them. Right now I'm content with having common eyes on my older dragons, as that's how they were hatched and how I've always enjoyed them (art updates to the common eyes aside), but in the future I might be in the same boat as the users who poured over a hundred vials into a single dragon only to not get the eyes they wanted.

I really don't like the idea of limited, consumable items and the precedence it sets for having something like this again in the future. Limited/retiring items? Fine. Consumable items? Fine. Consumable items that retire forever after three days? That's a lot of heartbreak and resentment, both now and far into the future.
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Okay. After reading through the last few pages, it has become clear this thread has run its course. [b]On our policy of not commenting on or responding to suggestions in the forums:[/b] We do not do this as it can create confusion and uncertainty around feature and gameplay expectations. We understand that in the moment it feels beneficial to receive an immediate and affirmative response but in the long term, it's confusing and harmful. [b][url=https://flightrising.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004996743]That's not fair to you or beneficial to the game.[/url][/b] [b]On whether or not we listen to player suggestions or provide transparency:[/b] Please read through [b][url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/ann/2452352]Looking Toward the Future in the 5th Anniversary thread[/url][/b]. This is where we lay out our 2018-2019 goals/development roadmap for you. We have implemented many of your suggestions over the years, as well as crediting the community as a driving force behind these changes. When we are confident about where something is in development and have clear answers for you, we will share them with you. [b]On whether or not we are reading and reviewing your feedback on eye types:[/b] As I noted on [b][url=https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2457301/104#post_33645443]page 104[/url][/b]: [br] [quote name="Aequorin" date="2018-06-12 10:06:43" ] Hi everyone! Thank you for your thoughts, suggestions, and feedback. While we can't answer every question or respond to suggestions, we are documenting and taking notes for review! Please feel free to continue your discussion; as long as it remains civil and constructive, we'll keep the thread open. I should also note that if a post is removed for breaking any rules, any posts quoting or responding to it will also be removed to keep things from escalating. [center]Thanks again! [img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/avatars/390202/39020157.png[/img][/center] [/quote] [br] This thread is now locked. [b]If you have further ideas or suggestions about the eye types addition[/b], please use the [b][url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/sug]Suggestions forum[/url][/b] or send us a message through [b][url=https://www1.flightrising.com/site/contact-us]Contact Us[/url][/b] going forward. Thank you.
Okay. After reading through the last few pages, it has become clear this thread has run its course.

On our policy of not commenting on or responding to suggestions in the forums:

We do not do this as it can create confusion and uncertainty around feature and gameplay expectations. We understand that in the moment it feels beneficial to receive an immediate and affirmative response but in the long term, it's confusing and harmful. That's not fair to you or beneficial to the game.

On whether or not we listen to player suggestions or provide transparency:

Please read through Looking Toward the Future in the 5th Anniversary thread. This is where we lay out our 2018-2019 goals/development roadmap for you. We have implemented many of your suggestions over the years, as well as crediting the community as a driving force behind these changes.

When we are confident about where something is in development and have clear answers for you, we will share them with you.

On whether or not we are reading and reviewing your feedback on eye types:

As I noted on page 104:

Aequorin wrote on 2018-06-12 10:06:43:
Hi everyone! Thank you for your thoughts, suggestions, and feedback. While we can't answer every question or respond to suggestions, we are documenting and taking notes for review!

Please feel free to continue your discussion; as long as it remains civil and constructive, we'll keep the thread open. I should also note that if a post is removed for breaking any rules, any posts quoting or responding to it will also be removed to keep things from escalating.

Thanks again!
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This thread is now locked. If you have further ideas or suggestions about the eye types addition, please use the Suggestions forum or send us a message through Contact Us going forward. Thank you.
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