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July 19, 2023 06:52:24

This thread is to track any gene errors that occur with the new Sandsurge Breed. This thread is for this breed only.

Many genes have accommodations for dragon anatomy where one breed is every so slightly different than others because it worked better for them. These are not considered errors.

Please report any errors you encounter and we will do our best to correct them in a timely manner.

Sadly, the multi gaze and line breaking tertiary issue is a technical limitation. Eyes must always layer over the primary, secondary, and tertiary genes, and they are not contextually aware of what is below them and able to alter their shape to accommodate. This is a limitation with all of our dragons that have line breaking tertiaries.

Note that it may take a short while for the site's internal image cache to reflect the corrected image assets.

Corrected Issues

Eyes: Primal (Ice) on sandsurge had a more prominent blue outline corrected.
Eyes: Primal (Shadow) for all Sandsurge now have a second drip for the unseen eye.
Eyes: Glowing had the halo effect adjusted to better match the modern version of the eye.
Gem Genes: all Sandsurge gem genes were given a rainbow star rarity rather than 5 star.
Primary: Basic on Sandsurge M & F had a color space issue corrected.
Primary: Boa on Sandsurge H had the always-black horns corrected to change per color.
Primary: Cherub on Sandsurge M had a missing gradient on the torso corrected.
Primary: Cherub on all Sandsurge had colors corrected from THE GREAT MISCLICK.
Primary: Clown on all Sandsurge had clipping issues into the belly corrected.
Primary: Clown on all Sandsurge had the colors corrected from THE GREAT MISCLICK.
Primary: Fade had the gradient intensity adjusted.
Primary: Flaunt on all Sandsurge is had missing interior spot markings corrected.
Primary: Flaunt for all Sandsurge had the gradient intensity across the back adjusted to be more in line with the modern version of the gene.
Primary: Ground on Sandsurge F had its non-dynamic shadow layer corrected.
Primary: Ground on all Sandsurge had a color space issue corrected.
Primary: Jupiter on all Sandsurge had the colors corrected from THE GREAT MISCLICK.
Primary: Lionfish on Sandsurge F had a missing color at the top of the tail corrected.
Primary: Lionfish on Sandsurge H had some stray marking color under the chin corrected.
Primary: Python on all Sandsurge had the spot colors corrected from Misclick 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Primary: Rattlesnake (Radioactive) on all Sandsurge had the outer diamond color corrected.
Primary: Savannah on all Sandsurge had the colors corrected from THE GREAT MISCLICK.
Primary: Swirl on all Sandsurge had the marking outline color corrected, and the opacity on the inner color adjusted.
Primary: Tiger on all Sandsurge had the colors corrected from THE GREAT MISCLICK.
Primary: Wasp on Sandsurge F has a shadow bleed near the horn area corrected.
Primary: Wrought on Sandsurge F & M had a color space issue corrected.
Primary: Wrought on all Sandsurge had colors corrected from THE GREAT MISCLICK.
Secondary: Blend had the gradient intensity adjusted.
Secondary: Diamondback (Radioactive) on all Sandsurge had the outer diamond color corrected.
Secondary: Eye Spots on all Sandsurge had missing spots in the head frill corrected.
Secondary: Eye Spots on all Sandsurge had the colors corrected from THE GREAT MISCLICK.
Secondary: Fissure on Sandsurge F had its non-dynamic shadow layer corrected.
Secondary: Fissure on Sandsurge M had a color space issue corrected.
Secondary: Flair on all Sandsurge was missing some interior spot markings and larger sparkles. This has been corrected.
Secondary: Flair for all Sandsurge had the gradient intensity across the back adjusted to be more in line with the modern version of the gene.
Secondary: Marbled on all Sandsurge had the marking outline color corrected, and the opacity on the inner color adjusted.
Secondary: Morph on all Sandsurge had the spot colors corrected from Misclick 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Secondary: Noxtide for Sandsurge M has a lowered opacity gradient on the crest corrected.
Secondary: Safari on all Sandsurge had the colors corrected from THE GREAT MISCLICK.
Secondary: Saturn on all Sandsurge had the pattern added to the crest area.
Secondary: Saturn on all Sandsurge had colors corrected from THE GREAT MISCLICK.
Secondary: Seraph on all Sandsurge had colors corrected from THE GREAT MISCLICK.
Secondary: Spire on Sandsurge F & M had a color space issue corrected.
Secondary: Spire on all Sandsurge had colors corrected from THE GREAT MISCLICK.
Secondary: Striation on all Sandsurge had more pattern added to the interior fans.
Secondary: Stripes on all Sandsurge had colors corrected from THE GREAT MISCLICK.
Tertiary: Augment on all Sandsurge had some of the plating lines have an inconsistent glow corrected. The glow should only be present on areas that are glowing now. Edit: Applied a second correction.
Tertiary: Beard on Sandsurge H has its belly exposed when it should be covered by fur to match the adults. This is corrected.
Tertiary: Beard on Sandsurge M had the belly fur moved to in front of the tail rather than behind.
Tertiary: Beard on all Sandsurge had colors corrected from THE GREAT MISCLICK.
Tertiary: Kumo on Sandsurge had the claws colored in to match the Aberration version of the gene.
Tertiary: Lace on Sandsurge F had pattern bleed into the horns corrected.
Tertiary: Okapi on on all Sandsurge had the missing claws colored in.
Tertiary: Peacock on Sandsurge F had a missing eye spot corrected.
Tertiary: Runes on all Sandsurge missing glow elements were corrected.
Tertiary: Runes on Sandsurge F & H had the color that was going over the claws cleaned up.
Tertiary: Runes had the second, brighter color placed on the edges rather than the middle of the runes like the modern variant. Sparkle enhancement. Transparency cleanup along the spines.
Tertiary: Shark on all Sandsurge now has light, cell edges and soft dark fades, rather than dark cel edges and soft light fades (Designing artist error report, as no player had anything to compare it to!)
Tertiary: Smirch on Sandsurge M has a more opaque fade than other breeds, which has been corrected.
Tertiary: Sparkle on all Sandsurge had Nightshade corrected from Misclick 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Tertiary: Stained on all Sandsurge was not covering the claws. This has been corrected.
Tertiary: Stained on all Sandsurge was bleeding into the teeth. This has been corrected.
Tertiary: Thylacine on all Sandsurge bled had a fade bleed into the horn and spike area corrected.
Tertiary: Thundercrack on Sandsurge F had the lighting tweaked to wrap around the finger instead of cutting over it.
Tertiary: Underbelly on all Sandsurge had the belly color brought out a little further to avoid overlap with the belly underneath it. (semi transparent pixels will show what's underneath.)

Known Issues

Investigating (Not sure if issue or not)

Working as intended

Secondary: Marlin having an extra color not present in sailfish is intended.
The primary gene being visible in the tips of the frills is intended.
Primary Arapaima having its colors visible in the tips of the frills is intended.
Some genes do not have the belly color that is used for basic genes. This is by intent, but should be consistent within itself and with modern counterparts (if present)
Some genes do not use the horn colors consistent with basic genes. This is by intent, but should be consistent within itself and with modern counterparts (if present)
Tertiary: Crest's bright accent colors are intended.
Secondary: Safari not being present on the crest is intended and is consistent with the Bogsneak and Fae crests for Safari.
Secondary: Striation not being present on the side fins/tail is intended and is consistent with the Fae crests for Striation.
Primary: Harlequin has different markings for male and female dragons. This is consistent with all other breeds, and while the markings swap genders between breeds, each breed has the complimentary pair.
Secondary: Jester has different markings for male and female dragons. This is consistent with all other breeds, and while the markings swap genders between breeds, each breed has the complimentary pair.
Tertiary: Augment having colored lines around glowing areas is intended.
Tertiary: Shark has long "top" fins on both sides of the dragon. It is not supposed to be centered, and is intentional.
The semi-transparent stray pixels found in the large skins templates do not affect the genes unless the dragon image is stacked upon itself multiple times over, which would never occur on the website. It's technically a bug, but not one that has a notable visual effect on the final dragons viewed on the site.
Tertiary: Spectre in obsidian is intended to have some green tints. This is not a part of the great misclick and is a deliberate choice.

I will be deleting reports that have been corrected, are not considered an issue, or are duplicate reports as I encounter/investigate them to keep the thread current!

Last edited on Feb 20, 2024 09:01:48 by Undel

[quote name="Almedha" date="2023-07-19 13:57:50" ] Any chance you could have a section called "working as intended" instead of just deleting them? That way we all know what the intended features are instead of wondering if apparent bugs have been reported yet. Or things that might be popularly regarded as bugsin the future will have the mystery removed. [/quote] This is a great idea. I'll add that in now. As a heads-up, I have been going through each post in order, so everything above this that was working as intended was deleted without being listed, but I think that this is a great idea going forward and will clear up a lot of confusion. Thank you for the suggestion!

Undel

Developer

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July 20, 2023 13:37:07

Almedha wrote on 2023-07-19 13:57:50:

Any chance you could have a section called "working as intended" instead of just deleting them? That way we all know what the intended features are instead of wondering if apparent bugs have been reported yet. Or things that might be popularly regarded as bugsin the future will have the mystery removed.

This is a great idea. I'll add that in now. As a heads-up, I have been going through each post in order, so everything above this that was working as intended was deleted without being listed, but I think that this is a great idea going forward and will clear up a lot of confusion. Thank you for the suggestion!

Last edited on Jul 20, 2023 13:37:24 by Undel

Thank you all for the thorough breakdown of your obsidian findings. [b]You are correct. There is something going on here. [/b] [emoji=left wing size=1][b] This is gonna get technical, but TLDR - color chart got paint bucketed with a high tolerance level sometime in mid 2020, and the recolor engine then got updated with those mistakes.[/b] [emoji=right wing size=1] [b]What happened:[/b] It's not an issue with the gene files. I was looking in the wrong place the entire time. I never thought to look into the recolor engine itself, because it's a program and [i]should[/i] be making the same color choices every time. However, those color choices we gave it are occasionally updated any time there's a new gene that has custom colors made. It was an issue with our swatch sheet that we use to decide on and sample colors from. We create a visual chart so we can kinda see what's going on with any color, and choose what colors we like. With all these [b]great[/b] reports, I finally decided to check file version histories and was able to pull up a version of the chart from 2018 and... it was different! [b]Chart 2019 and before:[/b] [img alt="A color chart showing the row of swatches used for various obsidian genes"]https://flightrising.com/dropbox/howodd/obsidian-2019.png[/img] [b]Chart 2020 and beyond:[/b] [img alt="A color chart showing the row of swatches used for various obsidian genes"]https://flightrising.com/dropbox/howodd/obsidian-2020.png[/img] If you look, even the black lines got colored, as if someone (almost certainly me!) paint bucketed with a higher tolerance and it spread into every cell that was even adjacently black. This is the image that colors were sampled from, and mainly just existed as a visual reference for us as artists otherwise when making new genes. When a new gene is added, we resample the image to get those colors into the engine... and well, that green spread was added in, overwriting the original obsidian colors! [b]Apologies and Thanks:[/b] I am sorry that I did not catch on to what was happening sooner. I really did look into the first and second (and sometimes third!) obsidian reports when it would pop up in a new breed's thread. I would go in, look at the gene files, look at the layers, check it over, and find it was set up identical to older dragons. I went over layer by layer checking opacity settings or seeing if there was some wierd color profile that could have exported poorly; I could never find anything, and I knew that we did (by intent) often user green and blue green undertones for obsidian. But ah, apparently not THAT many greens! (very sorry!) [b]The greens and blue-greens that are intentional:[/b] [img alt="A color chart showing the row of swatches used for various obsidian genes"]https://flightrising.com/dropbox/howodd/obsidian-green.png[/img] My apologies that I did not think to investigate the color picker itself before this. And [b]my thanks to you for being diligent about reporting this.[/b] It's really awesome, and I appreciate that thanks to your reports, we now know what's going on here. I am truly sorry that this took as long as it did! [b]What will happen now:[/b] It'll take some time, but I am going to restore the colors that were touched by the paint-bucket mishap. Any gene (or breed) that was added post mid-2020 will have its assets recolored by the engine once more and reuploaded to the site. (Obelisks sometimes squeaked by with old colors because they were in development for A LONG TIME, so that's why they are sometimes old colors despite being released in 2021!) Greens will still appear in obsidian, as that is by intent, [u]but not as many greens[/u], and they should be consistent with older breeds!

Undel

Developer

5845

July 21, 2023 10:25:42

Thank you all for the thorough breakdown of your obsidian findings. You are correct. There is something going on here.

This is gonna get technical, but TLDR - color chart got paint bucketed with a high tolerance level sometime in mid 2020, and the recolor engine then got updated with those mistakes.

What happened:
It's not an issue with the gene files. I was looking in the wrong place the entire time. I never thought to look into the recolor engine itself, because it's a program and should be making the same color choices every time. However, those color choices we gave it are occasionally updated any time there's a new gene that has custom colors made.

It was an issue with our swatch sheet that we use to decide on and sample colors from. We create a visual chart so we can kinda see what's going on with any color, and choose what colors we like. With all these great reports, I finally decided to check file version histories and was able to pull up a version of the chart from 2018 and... it was different!

Chart 2019 and before:
A color chart showing the row of swatches used for various obsidian genes

Chart 2020 and beyond:
A color chart showing the row of swatches used for various obsidian genes

If you look, even the black lines got colored, as if someone (almost certainly me!) paint bucketed with a higher tolerance and it spread into every cell that was even adjacently black. This is the image that colors were sampled from, and mainly just existed as a visual reference for us as artists otherwise when making new genes. When a new gene is added, we resample the image to get those colors into the engine... and well, that green spread was added in, overwriting the original obsidian colors!

Apologies and Thanks:
I am sorry that I did not catch on to what was happening sooner. I really did look into the first and second (and sometimes third!) obsidian reports when it would pop up in a new breed's thread. I would go in, look at the gene files, look at the layers, check it over, and find it was set up identical to older dragons. I went over layer by layer checking opacity settings or seeing if there was some wierd color profile that could have exported poorly; I could never find anything, and I knew that we did (by intent) often user green and blue green undertones for obsidian. But ah, apparently not THAT many greens! (very sorry!)

The greens and blue-greens that are intentional:
A color chart showing the row of swatches used for various obsidian genes

My apologies that I did not think to investigate the color picker itself before this. And my thanks to you for being diligent about reporting this. It's really awesome, and I appreciate that thanks to your reports, we now know what's going on here. I am truly sorry that this took as long as it did!

What will happen now:
It'll take some time, but I am going to restore the colors that were touched by the paint-bucket mishap.

Any gene (or breed) that was added post mid-2020 will have its assets recolored by the engine once more and reuploaded to the site. (Obelisks sometimes squeaked by with old colors because they were in development for A LONG TIME, so that's why they are sometimes old colors despite being released in 2021!) Greens will still appear in obsidian, as that is by intent, but not as many greens, and they should be consistent with older breeds!

Last edited on Jul 21, 2023 20:06:02 by Undel

I performed a thread-cleanup as this began to turn into a discussion space and it does need to stay as up-to-date with Sandsurge errors as possible, and those get lost in between the discussion posts. Thanks again for those who helped to find the obsidian error.

I'll be comparing the entirety of the early-range swatch sheet for any other dark colors that got hit with that paint bucket mishap and turned green.

I'll be rerunning the engine on anything that was saved March 2020 and beyond based on the "last modified" date of the files. At this point in time there is no need to report specific instances of the obsidian error, and this thread should return to gene errors found in Sandsurge.

Thank you again for your reports!

Undel

Developer

5845

July 21, 2023 12:10:33

I performed a thread-cleanup as this began to turn into a discussion space and it does need to stay as up-to-date with Sandsurge errors as possible, and those get lost in between the discussion posts. Thanks again for those who helped to find the obsidian error.

I'll be comparing the entirety of the early-range swatch sheet for any other dark colors that got hit with that paint bucket mishap and turned green.

I'll be rerunning the engine on anything that was saved March 2020 and beyond based on the "last modified" date of the files. At this point in time there is no need to report specific instances of the obsidian error, and this thread should return to gene errors found in Sandsurge.

Thank you again for your reports!

Last edited on Jul 21, 2023 20:07:59 by Undel

Doing another update in Mysteries of the Recolor Engine:

I finally figured out what was going on with Python and Morph, and it was again an issue with color selection being bungled on their way to the recolor engine. The miscolored Python and Morph on Sandsurge, Obelisk, and Aether will be corrected.

It's also why Nightshade Sparkle is messed up on recent breeds.

To be fair, the above two are separate from THE GREAT MISCLICK that took a contiguous line of all dark colors in a row to green.

These smaller boo-boos listed above will be referred to as Misclick 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Undel

Developer

5845

July 21, 2023 18:29:04

Doing another update in Mysteries of the Recolor Engine:

I finally figured out what was going on with Python and Morph, and it was again an issue with color selection being bungled on their way to the recolor engine. The miscolored Python and Morph on Sandsurge, Obelisk, and Aether will be corrected.

It's also why Nightshade Sparkle is messed up on recent breeds.

To be fair, the above two are separate from THE GREAT MISCLICK that took a contiguous line of all dark colors in a row to green.

These smaller boo-boos listed above will be referred to as Misclick 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Last edited on Jul 21, 2023 22:50:02 by Undel

The following corrections have gone in tonight:

Eyes: Glowing had the halo effect adjusted to better match the modern version of the eye.
Secondary: Striation on all Sandsurge had more pattern added to the interior fans.
Tertiary: Lace on Sandsurge F had pattern bleed into the horns corrected.
Tertiary: Stained on all Sandsurge was bleeding into the teeth. This has been corrected.
Tertiary: Augment on all Sandsurge was given a new treatment on the line art to correct the color bleed issue.

Undel

Developer

5845

February 17, 2024 19:33:40

The following corrections have gone in tonight:

Eyes: Glowing had the halo effect adjusted to better match the modern version of the eye.
Secondary: Striation on all Sandsurge had more pattern added to the interior fans.
Tertiary: Lace on Sandsurge F had pattern bleed into the horns corrected.
Tertiary: Stained on all Sandsurge was bleeding into the teeth. This has been corrected.
Tertiary: Augment on all Sandsurge was given a new treatment on the line art to correct the color bleed issue.

Last edited on Feb 18, 2024 20:11:59 by Undel

The following corrections have gone in today:

Eyes: Primal in Shadow for all Sandsurge now have a second drip for the unseen eye.
Primary: Fade for all Sandsurge had the gradient intensity adjusted.
Secondary: Blend for all Sandsurge had the gradient intensity adjusted.
Primary: Flaunt for all Sandsurge had the gradient intensity across the back adjusted to be more in line with the modern version of the gene.
Secondary: Flair for all Sandsurge had the gradient intensity across the back adjusted to be more in line with the modern version of the gene.
Tertiary: Runes had the second, brighter color placed on the edges rather than the middle of the runes like the modern variant. Sparkle enhancement. Transparency cleanup along the spines.

All Sandsurge gene fixes should be in! I'm closing this thread out for now. We'll be taking future Sandsurge gene error reports in a unified thread once we close out the remaining Auraboa (and upcoming Undertide Gene Expansion) thread.

Undel

Developer