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[center]i keep forgetting to add this to this dang thread before i forget forever from [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/cc/3081981]here[/url] [quote name="smorphie" date="2021-12-09 20:37:27" ] i am a big worldbuilding neerrdd, so i certainly do have some beliefs in the development. In my lair, my dragons believe that when they die they go to a place called Sekpiphu, which means "the last home" in Sekke (the native language of Sekkeheh, which is where my lair is. I could go on forever). It is different for everyone that goes, as it is basically just your mind as a reality. You can do whatever you want as well. The deceased are able to travel between others' sekpiphus and go into the mortal plane to see their relatives. As for those who have committed unforgivable acts (things such as murder and etc), they don’t have the luxury of goin to their Sekpiphu. Instead, they will go to Kyi’Reheh (dead lands). This is a barren, endless wasteland. Priests don’t say much about Kyi’Reheh as those there can’t enter the mortal plane to deliver any visions, but it is rumored that some dragons are able to leave Kyi’Reheh and live among the mortals. (cough cough him cough cough) And as an extra, theres a limbo/purgatory. It doesn't actually have an official name, as everyone calls it something different, but its basically just an endless field of wheat. Fun stuff. [/quote]

i remembered that bogsneaks exist because of a pot of goop and that simply could not happen on yuphe so [center]____[/center] dracon bogsneaks (dc.bog) are actually not descended from dragon bogsneaks (dg.bog) at all, unlike the other species of dracon. in fact, the name 'bogsneak' is only a recent development. prior to establishing a permamant connection with sorienth, dc.bogsneaks were called [b]sehti[/b]. while the basic forms of dc and dg bogs are similar, there are key differences: [LIST] [*] dc.bogsneaks have shorter, rounder, and more sloped faces/snouts with less pronounced nostrils. (similar to the caiman lizard) [*] dc.bogsneaks do not have vestigal wings like other dracons, they are completely wingless. [*] dc.bogs have short, stubby claws rather than sharp ones. [*] the tails of dc.bogs have fat reserves in them to better survive in the harsh desert climate of southern yuphe. [/list] [center]____[/center] it is a common argument amongst dracons whether to call the species sehti or bogsneak, but it is more of a regional difference on what name creatures use. the most common name in sekkeheh, dibuyije, and tantuyije is still [b]sehti[/b], but across the pentorian ocean, [b]bogsneak[/b] is more widely used. this is due to sorienthian scholars coming to yuphe and publishing writings, in which they used bogsneak to refer to sehtis. since sehtis were uncommon in western yuphe, bogsneak could easily become the standard word. whether or not bogsneak or sehti is correct is up to the individual. some sehti, in very rural areas, have never even heard of the word bogsneak before. [columns][url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/71606852][img]http://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/portraits/716069/71606852p.png[/img][/url][nextcol]"[i] heard a few tourists use the word. never used it myself. don't really care, honestly. i know what they mean.[/i]"[/columns] [columns][url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/88942853][img]http://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/portraits/889429/88942853p.png[/img][/url][nextcol]"[i] ah, i know about this debate. i suppose i would prefer sehti as that's what my parents said when i was young. i heard it around my village, grew up with it, so it figures that i would prefer it. however, i wouldn't go out of my way to enforce it.[/i]"[/columns] [columns][url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/83610212][img]http://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/portraits/836103/83610212p.png[/img][/url][nextcol]"[i] sehti or bogsneak? weird question. well, i grew up in haeth, so i say bogsneak. i was mentored by an ancient old bog when i was a teen who scolded me to reheh and back for saying it though. i have bigger things to worry about.[/i]"[/columns] [columns][url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/79216599][img]http://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/portraits/792166/79216599p.png[/img][/url][nextcol]"[i] don't care who tells you what. it's sehti. now go away.[/i]"[/columns]

ok i read the lore

1. i LOVE the naming,,, scheme? you have going on? I like the names of everything. 10/10

2. bipedal dragons. lovely. 10/10

3. MAPS i love maps. They look realistic and they're also very easy to read :)

ok now questions of which I have many

1. are there any mountain ranges?

2. how large is Yuphe compared to Sornieth?

3. is there a reason why do some breeds not have dracon counterparts?

4. do dracons have any connection to the Sornieth deities? how do the Sornieth deities feel about dracons? From your writing I'm assuming dracons evolved from dragons - is that true or were dracons created by the gods, just like dragons? do the Sornieth deities even exist?

4. are the countries of Yuphe all dracon-made, or are some countries run by Kaykou, Jumusko, etc.? Do all the Inhabitants species coexist on Yuphe (live in the same cities, capable of speaking the same languages, form alliances, etc) or are dracons the "dominant species"? How do dracons feel about the other inhabitant species / how do the others feel about dracons?

5. do dragons travel to Yuphe / do dracons travel to Sornieth?

6. do all dracon species have the same lifespan, or do some species live longer or shorter than others? are they actual distinct species* (aka imperial dracons being a different species than spiral dracons) or are they all the same species, Dracon? what would their scientific name be, if you've thought about that?

*by species I mean are two different breeds of dracon capable of producing fertile offspring, aka do they fall under the biological species concept or nah

7. if the history of Yuphe begins in the 5th century BCE, what is the current year? what event marks 0 CE? Ankhas were nomadic dragons - when did dragons evolve into dracons or is that a mistype?

also if sehti did not descend from dragon bogsneaks, then where did they come from? what breed is their closest relative? did they emerge from wild goop instead of a pot of domesticated goop?

@Bailysis a million tears in my eyes (positive) thank you! i quite like egyptian names so i am heavily inspired by that!! and i also love maps. i think i struggle to convey things through words a lot, and it's nice to have maps to refer back to. [rule] 1. there aren't really any mountain ranges in sekkeheh, but there are some in pentoria/south pentoria and up in akaie/heman (surrounding that big lake on the geographical map). but the dekete highlands are like a really big plateau! 2. the scale of sorienth kinda messes with me cuz i can't really imagine it, but i think that they should be rather equal in size minus the southern part of the icefield. [center][img]https://i.imgur.com/EI27zrA.png[/img][/center] 3. meta reason, i don't like the breed and don't see myself having any in my lair lore reasons: too hot for tundras/obelisks so they never went to that part of the supercontinent; aethers are from literally space??; undertides live in the water and probably would have their own underwater civilization; banescales represent a different species (i'm still working on that!). most of the ancient breeds represent an entirely different species, actually. 4. in my personal lore, while gods do exist they did not create dragons nor dracons. they evolved by themselves, and at some point the gods made themselves known to their respective continents. tbh i have never read the sorienth lore and everything i know is from tomo gods in yuphe are a lot more connected to dragons than the deities on sorienth. gods even bless certain dracons directly with lesser godhood (the dracon becomes a god of something small and specific, such as all the dracons in [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/lair/491318/2482996?name=&type=undefined]the council[/url] are lesser gods of a plant and an animal. a lot of gods just live with dracons regularly (such as [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/68325840]jericho[/url] who just does whatever, and [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/76966272]habotep[/url] who frequents surrounding towns while both exist, dracons are skeptical of the sorienth dieties and vice versa. obviously each would believe their own "religous (?)" system more than the other. 4 (you had 4 twice but my brain kept getting confused when i fixed it). countries are made by different species! dracons are mostly in the east, along with kaykou in the south east. however, dracons definitely have a population majority in terms of a total percentage. everyone coexists, and theres a universal language, yuphesh, which is typically taught in conjunction to a country's language (so dracons in sekkeheh learn yuphesh and sekke, but sekke is kind of a dying language rip). 5. connection between the two continents has only been recent (~100 years), but there is a bit! some dragons even moved to yuphe and vice versa, but there is a significant size different between the two genuses (dragons are quite a bit bigger), so it's rare for either genus to permanently move to the other's continent. also theres a language barrier, and places in the west like pentoria and heman are the only ones that started teaching [whatever the language is for sorienth dragons]. most dracons in sekkeheh would struggle to communicate with a dragon. for ex, [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/84370032]mutoh[/url] is a dragon, but was born in south pentoria b/c his parents moved there. [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/82489402]akukhar[/url] has gone to sorienth for business stuff. [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/73328742]satutet[/url] is a dragon that moved to yuphe. [center][img]https://i.imgur.com/G2baRII.png[/img] [i]example of a size diff since ridgies are the biggest[/i][/center] 6. they all have the same lifespan (approx. 100 years). as you go up the "godly hierarchy", the lifespans get longer. so mortals = 100 years; halfgods (mortal + lesser god) = 300; lesser gods = 700). to make it easy for myself i just have multipliers to mortal lifespan. (x1, x3, x7) they are all one genus (dracon), and each one is a species that can interbreed and produce fertile offspring. ik that the whole point of a species is that they [i]don't[/i] make fertile offspring, but nature doesn't care about what categories people put stuff in and that rule is broken plenty lol. there are plenty of hybrids in my lair. while it is more common for dracons to breed within their own species, hybrids aren't rare or anything. [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/73876780]khnemet[/url] is a ridgeback+imperial, [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/73627944]nekhbe[/url] is a ridgeback+guardian, [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/72090677]khet[/url] is a wildclaw+imperial. i have not thought about scientific names, but that would be fun! i should... 7. you've actually caught a typo, lol. the ankhas were dracons. i've been working on revamping the history section as i've been making a new timeline. it would rather start around 500 BCE now, the country becomes Sekkeheh around 200 BCE, and the marking of 0 CE is when the gods first send down marusya and xekeki (big war happening and gods intervene. theres a lot of moving parts which is why it takes me forever to update oups). i would consider the current year to be around 1500 CE. 8. i think that sehti and bogsneaks just happen to look fairly similar by coincidence, having evolved completely separately (convergent evolution woaah). tbh i've started playing with the idea that sehti aren't even dracon either, but got put in the same category since sehti and dracons lived together and looked similar. [rule] thank you a bajillion times over because this was so fun to answer! it made me realise a lot of stuff i need to update regarding my lore, one of which being the age system because i literally had 3 completely different lifespans scattered about. i've been busy busy for the past few months (which is why i got more into drawing than writing), but i'll be getting more time to do lore stuff hopefully [emoji=ridgeback happy size=1]

oooh thanks for the response! apologies for the double 4's

what do you mean by "the gods evolved by themselves"? are they a separate species from dracons with divine/magic abilities? who was the first god?

whats the "era" of technology on yuphe?

hybrids are so fun! I have a few in my lair but I haven't drawn them yet

@Bailysis i haven’t thought back far enough to know where the gods came from, and i might just keep it a mystery for myself? because if i start defining a lot about the logic of gods, then i’ll start forgetting that they’re magical and i can do whatever i want with them lol

so i would say yes, the gods are separate from dracons. but they are capable of taking forms similar to dracons to fit in more. auxeb, who is a god that takes the form of a dracon ridgeback, but is far larger than any dracon ridgeback would be. he just does that because he wants to

dracons with divine/magic abilities would either be lesser gods or half-gods. lesser gods are born dracons, then were given an ability by a god at some point in their life. and half-gods are when a lesser god and a mortal have a kid

there are different classes of gods, greater gods, gods, and lesser gods. greater gods are the most basic 3 levels; sky, land, water. greater gods do not come down to yuphe, or the mortal realm in general, at all. idk if they’d even have a physical form. these greater gods create gods and send them down to the mortal realm for a specific purpose. marusya and xekeki (on my lair’s first page) for example; they were created by the greater god of sky, and are the gods of dawn and dusk respectively.


and technology wise, just imagine ancient egypt.

the greater gods is a really neat concept :O I'll have to take a look at your dragons at some point. do you have any that you consider favorites, or whose (who's??) bios I should read first?

@Bailysis my favorite is probably dusop but not for any lore reasons i just think he’s neat

akukhar would be a good starting point as he has a lot of connections to other dracons in his relations section.

(i gotta get more bios done…i want to have a more connected web of relationships)

this forum post got me thinking about breed changes

In Sekkeheh, breed changes are not a thing. In fact, dracons think that breed changes on Sorienth are very unsettling. While (in my lore, at least) dragons see it as perfectly normal, to dracons it's like if a human said they just...turned into a gorilla.

In my lore breed changes are long, gradual processes where the dragon's body slowly changes (this parallels something irl hmmm). This only works because of the natural amounts of magic inside of dragons. Dracons do not have magic, so breed changes will not work. Besides, they're an entirely different species.

In the best case scenario, the dracon would just get very ill for a few weeks. In the worst case they die.