No support, because I think it'd be... very weird and uncomfortable not only for EY dragons to switch back and forth between adult n child, but also for EY dragons to be able to breed. It's very different from a pose change scroll because the game and canon does treat EY dragons as hatchling, despite how players may interpret it in their own lore.
Hatchlings should be allowed skins however, and unique coli stages for them would be nice to. But I feel like these things could be added without making them a silhouette scroll addition.
No support, because I think it'd be... very weird and uncomfortable not only for EY dragons to switch back and forth between adult n child, but also for EY dragons to be able to breed. It's very different from a pose change scroll because the game and canon does treat EY dragons as hatchling, despite how players may interpret it in their own lore.
Hatchlings should be allowed skins however, and unique coli stages for them would be nice to. But I feel like these things could be added without making them a silhouette scroll addition.
No support, sorry.
The implications of being able to actively breed dragons with youth (not including the ones who had clutches before being turned) is kinda gross...
Same stance with throwing dragons which look like hatchlings into coli.
Functionality how it stands is limited. it would be nice to allow for hatchling skins or to atleast have a small run of hatchling apparel
No support, sorry.
The implications of being able to actively breed dragons with youth (not including the ones who had clutches before being turned) is kinda gross...
Same stance with throwing dragons which look like hatchlings into coli.
Functionality how it stands is limited. it would be nice to allow for hatchling skins or to atleast have a small run of hatchling apparel
I see no problem with the EY scroll granting a dragon a toggle that can be turned off to treat the dragon as an adult again - it's functionally the same as buying EY and EY-removal scrolls over and over again (except no one would want to do that.) This shouldn't be damningly hard to code (as some have said it would be) as it's "already toggleable" (code already exists to detect whether a dragon can become EY or have its EY status removed.) Think of it as an extra tiny bit of information that determines whether a dragon is allowed to toggle EY from its profile instead of needing the scrolls.
I see no problem with the EY scroll granting a dragon a toggle that can be turned off to treat the dragon as an adult again - it's functionally the same as buying EY and EY-removal scrolls over and over again (except no one would want to do that.) This shouldn't be damningly hard to code (as some have said it would be) as it's "already toggleable" (code already exists to detect whether a dragon can become EY or have its EY status removed.) Think of it as an extra tiny bit of information that determines whether a dragon is allowed to toggle EY from its profile instead of needing the scrolls.
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I don't support easy toggle of EY. Sure it could work and make some people happy, but it's problematic, not only for how to treat skins and apparel each time it's toggled on (hide all/remove all seems like an unnecessary pain), but because of the implications in its potential use. If you really need to breed and/or fight a dragon, remove the scroll, do what you want, and reapply it afterwards. I can't perceive a need to continually do that that isn't questionable.
I like the scroll's current purpose being Eternal, with the implementation of some permanency.
Youth stages in coli could be fun though, and I imagine would be handled appropriately by the developers.
I don't support easy toggle of EY. Sure it could work and make some people happy, but it's problematic, not only for how to treat skins and apparel each time it's toggled on (hide all/remove all seems like an unnecessary pain), but because of the implications in its potential use. If you really need to breed and/or fight a dragon, remove the scroll, do what you want, and reapply it afterwards. I can't perceive a need to continually do that that isn't questionable.
I like the scroll's current purpose being Eternal, with the implementation of some permanency.
Youth stages in coli could be fun though, and I imagine would be handled appropriately by the developers.
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Hmm looks like those 2 suggestions could be combined!
Make PB scroll toggable. And thus maturity scroll become unneeded and could be replased with skroll of un-silhouette.
As mentioned there is no problem with togglable PB scroll - just warn players wear off skins and apparel befor toggle into baby as well as it is now with pose or breed change scrolls.
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/sug/2941861
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/sug/2982153
[quote name="Paks" date="2023-01-09 23:52:08" ]
If you really need to breed and/or fight a dragon, remove the scroll, do what you want, and reapply it afterwards. I can't perceive a need to continually do that that isn't questionable.
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Besides just liking the hatchling art better? That's frankly valid enough to me. This game is all about aesthetics, and if I have a favorite dragon that I like to take to coli but also like the look of it as a hatchling, I don't see a good reason why not. Not everybody sees their dragons as more than pretty pictures. There are valid aesthetic-only uses for the silhouette scroll (that is, the dragon is not trans or something, I just like the look of f Skydancers better); why would this not apply to the EY art?
Honestly, I don't see a problem with it. As long as the hatchling cannot be bred as a hatchling (has to appear as an adult to be bred, therefore addressing whatever the concern is here), it's esentially the same thing that we can do now, except less expensive. There are already bred and level 25 eys.
Paks wrote on 2023-01-09 23:52:08:
If you really need to breed and/or fight a dragon, remove the scroll, do what you want, and reapply it afterwards. I can't perceive a need to continually do that that isn't questionable.
Besides just liking the hatchling art better? That's frankly valid enough to me. This game is all about aesthetics, and if I have a favorite dragon that I like to take to coli but also like the look of it as a hatchling, I don't see a good reason why not. Not everybody sees their dragons as more than pretty pictures. There are valid aesthetic-only uses for the silhouette scroll (that is, the dragon is not trans or something, I just like the look of f Skydancers better); why would this not apply to the EY art?
Honestly, I don't see a problem with it. As long as the hatchling cannot be bred as a hatchling (has to appear as an adult to be bred, therefore addressing whatever the concern is here), it's esentially the same thing that we can do now, except less expensive. There are already bred and level 25 eys.
No support.
No to EY Dragons for:
-breeding
-coli battles
Yes to EY Dragons for:
-skins
-accents
-apparel
Hatchlings are that, hatchlings. Baby animals. Yes you can level a dragon in the coli before EY them. I've done that, and I am fine with my EY dragons not being able to do adult dragon stuff.
That hatchling art has 1 pose shared between genders too, and that's also fine. This makes skins, accents, and apparel a whole lot easier if the game wants to add that for hatchlings later.
No support.
No to EY Dragons for:
-breeding
-coli battles
Yes to EY Dragons for:
-skins
-accents
-apparel
Hatchlings are that, hatchlings. Baby animals. Yes you can level a dragon in the coli before EY them. I've done that, and I am fine with my EY dragons not being able to do adult dragon stuff.
That hatchling art has 1 pose shared between genders too, and that's also fine. This makes skins, accents, and apparel a whole lot easier if the game wants to add that for hatchlings later.
[quote name="PersimmonBird" date="2020-12-04 10:59:03" ]
I'd love this, not so I could flip a EY dragon to adult and breed or coli them.....but just because I like options. It'd be really nice to be able to EY a dragon and then when I feel like a little change let them be an adult for a while and wear apparel. And then go back when I'm ready.
Ideally I'd still want EY hatchlings themselves to be able to coli and wear skins eventually -though apparel is probably a pipedream. But Sil scrolls did set a precedent for making changes that can be reversed at will, and I think this one would be really nice.
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This. Options are nice and this suggestion would pair nicely with other potential features like "Alt Outfits" that dragons could swap between and other kinds of customizations.
I would still want to see EY dragons be allowed to wear skins made for hatchling poses. That's been a long overdue popularly requested feature that I'm hoping the Devs will eventually add.
But I don't see why this scroll wouldn't be able to work similarly to the silhouette scroll in regards to skins (and apparel, which would be similar to how Modern-to-Ancient breed changes work). Breeding would only be an option if the dragons are presently in the Adult status (and can't be changed back until the nest is hatched) and they wouldn't be able to Coli (unless the Devs add that option, I really don't have any strong opinions on EY dragons being able to battle).
There would still be a use for the Scroll of Maturity (skipping the hatchling phase, removing the EY functionality/symbol) and could be added in conjunction with a scroll that removes Silhouette scroll functionality/symbol since that's also been requested fairly often.
I also really don't think we need to morality police a potential game feature just because somebody "might" use it inappropriately in their own lair lore. This isn't a feature that could be used to harass or bother anybody that's otherwise just minding their own business, and if somebody's using it in a manner that runs against FR's TOS one can report, block, and move on.
tl;dr I think this could be a good QoL update to a very old game item and would open other dragon customization possibilities.
PersimmonBird wrote on 2020-12-04 10:59:03:
I'd love this, not so I could flip a EY dragon to adult and breed or coli them.....but just because I like options. It'd be really nice to be able to EY a dragon and then when I feel like a little change let them be an adult for a while and wear apparel. And then go back when I'm ready.
Ideally I'd still want EY hatchlings themselves to be able to coli and wear skins eventually -though apparel is probably a pipedream. But Sil scrolls did set a precedent for making changes that can be reversed at will, and I think this one would be really nice.
This. Options are nice and this suggestion would pair nicely with other potential features like "Alt Outfits" that dragons could swap between and other kinds of customizations.
I would still want to see EY dragons be allowed to wear skins made for hatchling poses. That's been a long overdue popularly requested feature that I'm hoping the Devs will eventually add.
But I don't see why this scroll wouldn't be able to work similarly to the silhouette scroll in regards to skins (and apparel, which would be similar to how Modern-to-Ancient breed changes work). Breeding would only be an option if the dragons are presently in the Adult status (and can't be changed back until the nest is hatched) and they wouldn't be able to Coli (unless the Devs add that option, I really don't have any strong opinions on EY dragons being able to battle).
There would still be a use for the Scroll of Maturity (skipping the hatchling phase, removing the EY functionality/symbol) and could be added in conjunction with a scroll that removes Silhouette scroll functionality/symbol since that's also been requested fairly often.
I also really don't think we need to morality police a potential game feature just because somebody "might" use it inappropriately in their own lair lore. This isn't a feature that could be used to harass or bother anybody that's otherwise just minding their own business, and if somebody's using it in a manner that runs against FR's TOS one can report, block, and move on.
tl;dr I think this could be a good QoL update to a very old game item and would open other dragon customization possibilities.
[quote name="Twizz" date="2023-01-10 20:26:27" ]
I also really don't think we need to morality police a potential game feature just because somebody "might" use it inappropriately in their own lair lore. This isn't a feature that could be used to harass or bother anybody that's otherwise just minding their own business, and if somebody's using it in a manner that runs against FR's TOS one can report, block, and move on.
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To add onto this, if people have enough malicious or ill intent, they're going to do said action anyway. I've seen apparel mixed with skins and scenes to create very unacceptable things. It's not hard to get the stuff they used either. I've seen just genes paired with a phrase or name or loosely suggestive bio (usually pop culture references or something niche/more obscure). If people can abuse something and have the desire to, they will. Swapping between two poses constantly won't stop these people from doing exactly that if it's what they want to imply. All it takes is that one extra step: a skin or accent, maybe a scene, a note in the bio or broadcast, a reference in the name...
Constantly flipping back to another pose won't make them any less likely to write something in the bio, name, or broadcast. They only have to do it once to get the implications people are concerned about. More won't exactly change that, and I don't see why it suddenly does. It's not like it'll be on a nest as anything but an adult pose anyway (now THAT I can understand not allowing).
I support letting EYs in the coliseum regardless at the bare minimum. They're eternally youthful. Doesn't mean they have to be a baby. People are youthful at 20. Not exactly a child. Besides, they can be bred and leveled before becoming youthful. To me that suggests a youthful adult. Nothing more.
Twizz wrote on 2023-01-10 20:26:27:
I also really don't think we need to morality police a potential game feature just because somebody "might" use it inappropriately in their own lair lore. This isn't a feature that could be used to harass or bother anybody that's otherwise just minding their own business, and if somebody's using it in a manner that runs against FR's TOS one can report, block, and move on.
To add onto this, if people have enough malicious or ill intent, they're going to do said action anyway. I've seen apparel mixed with skins and scenes to create very unacceptable things. It's not hard to get the stuff they used either. I've seen just genes paired with a phrase or name or loosely suggestive bio (usually pop culture references or something niche/more obscure). If people can abuse something and have the desire to, they will. Swapping between two poses constantly won't stop these people from doing exactly that if it's what they want to imply. All it takes is that one extra step: a skin or accent, maybe a scene, a note in the bio or broadcast, a reference in the name...
Constantly flipping back to another pose won't make them any less likely to write something in the bio, name, or broadcast. They only have to do it once to get the implications people are concerned about. More won't exactly change that, and I don't see why it suddenly does. It's not like it'll be on a nest as anything but an adult pose anyway (now THAT I can understand not allowing).
I support letting EYs in the coliseum regardless at the bare minimum. They're eternally youthful. Doesn't mean they have to be a baby. People are youthful at 20. Not exactly a child. Besides, they can be bred and leveled before becoming youthful. To me that suggests a youthful adult. Nothing more.
What if you could toggle between images, but the dragon still functions as a hatchling? No breeding, no coli until you apply the maturity scroll.
I am also fairly sure that allowing permanent babies to breed is against FR's ToS since it could very easily fall under child abuse. No, morality doesn't have to be considered for every possible thing, but it doesn't feel like this would be well accepted at all.
[quote name="Anchoram" date="2021-10-09 11:10:07" ]
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The kind of 'damaging/harmful lore' that I'm can only assume you're hinting towards would be against the site's ToS anyway.
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Also, if I'm being honest here, there isn't much reason to toggle between permababy and adult. Breed the dragon, then permababy it. Use a different dragon for coli; they will function exactly alike. I am neutral on training stages for hatchlings.
What if you could toggle between images, but the dragon still functions as a hatchling? No breeding, no coli until you apply the maturity scroll.
I am also fairly sure that allowing permanent babies to breed is against FR's ToS since it could very easily fall under child abuse. No, morality doesn't have to be considered for every possible thing, but it doesn't feel like this would be well accepted at all.
Anchoram wrote on 2021-10-09 11:10:07:
The kind of 'damaging/harmful lore' that I'm can only assume you're hinting towards would be against the site's ToS anyway.
Also, if I'm being honest here, there isn't much reason to toggle between permababy and adult. Breed the dragon, then permababy it. Use a different dragon for coli; they will function exactly alike. I am neutral on training stages for hatchlings.
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