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TOPIC | The chances of hatching a double G1
[quote name="Mariwen" date="2024-04-09 13:36:31" ] If my math is right and I've done the right math, I think the calculation is 177x177x177 to 1 so, 5,545,233 to 1? [/quote] That would be the math for a specific color combination! The actual odds are a bit better. Assuming we don't care what color it is, there is a (176*175) / (177^2) chance of getting an XYZ, or 98.31147%. The odds of getting a double [i]or[/i] triple would therefore be 1.68853%. As for the relative odds of doubles versus triples, the odds of a triple would be 1/177^2, or 0.00319%. Therefore, subtraction suggests the odds of a double would be 1.68534%. This means you're over 500 times as likely to get a double as a triple!
Mariwen wrote on 2024-04-09 13:36:31:
If my math is right and I've done the right math, I think the calculation is 177x177x177 to 1 so,

5,545,233 to 1?

That would be the math for a specific color combination! The actual odds are a bit better.

Assuming we don't care what color it is, there is a (176*175) / (177^2) chance of getting an XYZ, or 98.31147%. The odds of getting a double or triple would therefore be 1.68853%.

As for the relative odds of doubles versus triples, the odds of a triple would be 1/177^2, or 0.00319%. Therefore, subtraction suggests the odds of a double would be 1.68534%. This means you're over 500 times as likely to get a double as a triple!
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How likely is a double? Let’s use a decision tree to illustrate! [img]https://i.ibb.co/9W45gbM/IMG-0001.jpg[/img] Here’s my tree. Now the primary color has a 100% chance of being any color, so we don’t need to worry about that, unless we want a specific double. We’ll say it, whatever it is, is X. The secondary is where we have a decision node. The secondary can be the same as the primary, ie X, or it can be different, Y. There are 177 colors with equal probability of being chosen, so P(X) = 1/177 and P(Y) is everything else = 1 - P(X), or 176/177, since the secondary has to be a color the probability of all the options must sum to 1. Now we have a more complicated set of nodes, but the same rules apply. Each node must have all probabilities add up to 1, because we are accounting for all possible outcomes. Let’s look at secondary = X. The tertiary can either be X or Y, the same as Primary and Secondary or not the same. This is the same as before, P(X) = 1/177 and P(Y) = 176/177. Note they add up to 1. Now if secondary = Y, tertiary can either be X, Y, or neither X nor Y, we’ll call it Z. P(X) = 1/177. P(Y) = 1/177 as well, since we already know Y from the last node. P(Z) is everything else, 175/177. To get P(XXX), all we have to do is multiply the chances associated with each branch we traveled down to get there. 1/177 * 1/177 or 0.00003 (0.003%). These are the odds of a triple. The same applies for a XXY dragon. Go down those branches and multiply 1/177 * 176/177 = 0.00565 (0.565%). This number is the same for XYX and XYY doubles, because you’re multiplying the same numbers in different orders. P(XYZ) is the same logic, but it is much larger, at 0.9831 (98.31%). The sum of all the possibilities is 1 because we are guaranteed a dragon with 3 colors. P(double) = P(XXY) + P(XYX) + P(XYY) because all these outcomes are considered doubles, so any of them would work. This ends up being 0.01685 (1.685%). Decision trees are really useful because they allow you to draw out every possible permutation of decisions and calculate the probability of each outcome. Then you just add all the probabilities counted as “successes” and there’s your probability of success. Hope this helps :) edit: @vacantlyamused beat me to it [emoji=skydancer laughing size=1] here’s my first and only self hatched double, for luck. [s]he’s still unfinished lol[/s] [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/85974202][img]https://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/350/859743/85974202_350.png[/img][/url]
How likely is a double? Let’s use a decision tree to illustrate!

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Here’s my tree. Now the primary color has a 100% chance of being any color, so we don’t need to worry about that, unless we want a specific double. We’ll say it, whatever it is, is X.

The secondary is where we have a decision node. The secondary can be the same as the primary, ie X, or it can be different, Y. There are 177 colors with equal probability of being chosen, so P(X) = 1/177 and P(Y) is everything else = 1 - P(X), or 176/177, since the secondary has to be a color the probability of all the options must sum to 1.

Now we have a more complicated set of nodes, but the same rules apply. Each node must have all probabilities add up to 1, because we are accounting for all possible outcomes. Let’s look at secondary = X. The tertiary can either be X or Y, the same as Primary and Secondary or not the same. This is the same as before, P(X) = 1/177 and P(Y) = 176/177. Note they add up to 1.

Now if secondary = Y, tertiary can either be X, Y, or neither X nor Y, we’ll call it Z. P(X) = 1/177. P(Y) = 1/177 as well, since we already know Y from the last node. P(Z) is everything else, 175/177.

To get P(XXX), all we have to do is multiply the chances associated with each branch we traveled down to get there. 1/177 * 1/177 or 0.00003 (0.003%). These are the odds of a triple. The same applies for a XXY dragon. Go down those branches and multiply 1/177 * 176/177 = 0.00565 (0.565%). This number is the same for XYX and XYY doubles, because you’re multiplying the same numbers in different orders. P(XYZ) is the same logic, but it is much larger, at 0.9831 (98.31%). The sum of all the possibilities is 1 because we are guaranteed a dragon with 3 colors.

P(double) = P(XXY) + P(XYX) + P(XYY) because all these outcomes are considered doubles, so any of them would work. This ends up being 0.01685 (1.685%).

Decision trees are really useful because they allow you to draw out every possible permutation of decisions and calculate the probability of each outcome. Then you just add all the probabilities counted as “successes” and there’s your probability of success. Hope this helps :)

edit: @vacantlyamused beat me to it

here’s my first and only self hatched double, for luck. he’s still unfinished lol
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I hatched one once but I don't have that dragon anymore
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I hatched one once but I don't have that dragon anymore
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I've hatched quite a few!

Of the ones I still have, my recentish ones were a Taupe/Plum/Plum, Orange/Cobalt/Orange, Coal/Red/Coal, Coal/Emerald/Coal, and a Moss/Moss/Caramel. I also hatched a Buttercup/Buttercup/Obs recently, which I traded away.
I've hatched quite a few!

Of the ones I still have, my recentish ones were a Taupe/Plum/Plum, Orange/Cobalt/Orange, Coal/Red/Coal, Coal/Emerald/Coal, and a Moss/Moss/Caramel. I also hatched a Buttercup/Buttercup/Obs recently, which I traded away.
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I have hatched plenty, but not a single one has ever been kept. I have poor luck getting colors that I actually like
I have hatched plenty, but not a single one has ever been kept. I have poor luck getting colors that I actually like
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I've hatched a pretty decent amount (...I hatch a lot of eggs) but most are horrible clashing colours. good luck OP, may RNG bless you with something pretty [emoji=familiar heart size=1]
I've hatched a pretty decent amount (...I hatch a lot of eggs) but most are horrible clashing colours. good luck OP, may RNG bless you with something pretty
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I've hatched three myself that I can remember... [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/87808178][img]https://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/350/878082/87808178_350.png[/img][/url] [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/83234341][img]https://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/350/832344/83234341_350.png[/img][/url] This one however I didn't keep [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/90933916][img]https://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/350/909340/90933916_350.png[/img][/url]
I've hatched three myself that I can remember...
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This one however I didn't keep
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Everytime NotN rolls around, I get as many eggs as I can before the 25th, so I can do a mini-mass-hatch that's both for my birthday and Christmas. I've gotten two of my own doubles. Probably a couple others that have found new homes over the years, too. [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/47945063][img]https://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/350/479451/47945063_350.png[/img][/url][url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/57898427][img]https://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/350/578985/57898427_350.png[/img][/url]
Everytime NotN rolls around, I get as many eggs as I can before the 25th, so I can do a mini-mass-hatch that's both for my birthday and Christmas. I've gotten two of my own doubles. Probably a couple others that have found new homes over the years, too.

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