Flight Rising Discussion

[quote name="Gaming4Lyfe" date="2018-04-13 09:42:49" ] So with apparel pieces, it seems like a “one size fit all”. But when it’s on a bigger dragon, the apparel piece automatically looks bigger. Do the apparel pieces grow and shrink depending on what dragon puts it on? Or are each piece just different sizes? [/quote] @Gaming4Lyfe we work in a world of magic however since the aseemboly line was implemented in 1913 by Henry Ford in our world and sornieth's technology level is above that canonicaly. [columns][url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2375835][b]Theory: Level of technology on Sornieth[/b] [img]https://i.imgur.com/gZqv6aq.png[/img][/url] [left]February 10, 2018[/left][nextcol] After discovering that the dragons do not have internet I was able to more accurately pinpoint a ballpark year where dragon technology would be on par with our human years: the year 1969. The rest of the page is dedicated to figuring if my hypothesis is true or not. [b]This thread covers topics such as:[/b] [LIST] [*]Computer science (basic) [*]Internet history [*]Magic impacting development of technology (alternate world history anyone?) [*]An Interview with someone far smarter than me in these subjects: Black Smithing, mechanical repair of 100 year old tech. [/LIST] [b]Recommended Pages to Read:[/b] All pages [b][size=5][b][u][i]IT'S CONFIRMED CANNON[/i][/u][/b][/size][/b][/columns] then we [b]could[/b] have gear being mass produced at a fast rate. But i think the safer bet is to say we have both mass producton AND magic shifting clothing. Maybe not by will but rather a caster whom castes cloths to shrink We do have DRUIDS with the nature flight [user=9] and clothing is often made from PLANT MATTER [user=10] and if the clothing is made out of FURR then POTENCHALY a plague dragon would make for a grate tailor as well since both types of dragons can just SHFIT the amount of material being used. Pluss two if its natural dyes one can magicaly shift colors as well [user=1] and if the dye is made with some sort of mineral then youd needan earth dragon to shift it. There could be a whole work force dedicated to making cloths for all sizes on demand which is a very interesting market to invest to that is special to dragons. It's simmiler to the Ledgen on Korra where lightning benders where brought in to power generators due to a technological boom. It's great world biulding! @Gaming4Lyfe

I like to think that dragons may use the same magic they employ on apparel to change their own size significantly, but that it costs them lots of energy. So, say, for the meeting in Ten Eyes, they had all shrunk/enlarged respectively in order to fit comfortably inside that building.

I don't think a Fae would be able to grow to match an Imperial, or the other way around, but at least the difference between the two would be smaller (10m? 5?) Maybe something similar to the size differences between dog breeds, with the great dane Imperial and chihuahua Fae, and Tundras as chow chow

@catgame21234
Uh, please re-read my post. I'm not talking about dragons at all but how the difference in how tall you are makes no difference towards things and navigating your world. Things like operating a door. Also I have a very hard time reading your posts. It's like they're not in English but since I've pointed this out to you before and you don't care to correct anything in order to be understood, I'm not going to bother trying to "rap my head around then work backwards" :)

I came up with this post because I was trying to answer my own lore post about lairs and got stuck when I tried to use "official" dragon sizes.

Do faes have their own section of the lair that no other dragon can fit in? Or do these faes walk in massive hallways because they have to be large enough for the largest dragons in the clan to fit?

Hell, I went back to re-reading an old lair post and my fae messenger was operating a heavy stone door... if I went by the "1m in length" size, she would never be able to open it because she weights only a few kg whereas the guardian that ransacked my lair weighs 10 thousand kg.

Swipp in particular makes everything difficult because there's suddenly a standard in items.

Can my 3kg fae bring them 50 corroded iron nuggets or a black wolf pelt to trade? Probably not. Only Guardians, Imps and Ridgies can do this if you're going by the size chart. Which means most of your lair is effectively useless.

Or are we thinking there's just as many sizes of wolves to get a pelt from as there are dragons so the fae can bring fae sized wolf pets and the imp brings imp sized wolf pelts?

Maybe things just magically shrink and grow depending on who is holding it, but to me, it's harder to retain suspension of disbelief if it's going from a creature five stories tall to a dragon the size of a mouse.

For some reason, it's easier to take small bites and use this shrink theory for clothing in regards to a 4 ft tall person vs a 6 foot tall person. This is why I put fourth the theory that dragons must be closer in size than we think.

[quote name="PlagueMaw" date="2018-04-13 07:45:21" ] One size fits all super stretchy clothes! Might look...interesting on the bigger dragons. [/quote] yesssss

@catgame21234 [quote name="catgame21234" date="2018-04-13 09:37:54" ] if you are struggeling to visolize that or dont want to, but don't want to go with "they boop snoots and magic happends" mentality then perhaps go with external fertilization like how chickens reproduce [/quote] Chickens do not externally fertilize. They do lay eggs, yes, but those are internally fertilized through copulation, as is the norm with most birds. External fertilization is definitely a thing, but not the norm amongst fully terrestrial vertebrates due to the risk of dessication. Nitpick aside and back to the original post of this thread: I like this! This is basically what I have been personally thinking re: my own organization. Honestly, it has been bothering me since first learning about sizes that there seems to be two categories of breeds: breeds that vary in size in relation to each other across a gradient and breeds that are just VERY BIG (Imps & RBs) I think, you can definitely still have imps and gaolers be huge in the eyes of everyone else, while not having them be 4-5 times as big as any dragon that isn't a guardian or ridgeback.

To me apparel just change size depending on who wears it;
I like to consider the canon sizes, it makes for funnier lore.
As for the lair mine simply has different spaces depending on the breed (faes and spirals for example will have a hive-like portion of the wall (who's still rather big when you compare it to a human))
The bigger breeds will simply have bigger spaces to sleep and the general lair is as big as possible, so that the bigger ones can roam with no problem
(I have a imp/fae m/m couple and the fae usually rests on the imp's antlers)

[quote]Uh, please re-read my post. I'm not talking about dragons at all but how the difference in how tall you are makes no difference towards things and navigating your world. Things like operating a door. Also I have a very hard time reading your posts. It's like they're not in English but since I've pointed this out to you before and you don't care to correct anything in order to be understood, I'm not going to bother trying to "rap my head around then work backwards" :) [/quote] …Acknowledged [quote]I'm not talking about dragons at all but how the difference in how tall you are [b][i][u]makes no difference[/u][/i] [/b]towards things and navigating your world.[/quote] [img]https://myanimelist.cdn-dena.com/s/common/uploaded_files/1458788052-e4b55206840c8986dea362fe3ba127cf.gif[/img] [img]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/64/a2/5c64a24a63bd944e653e3d3fe10b596a.jpg[/img] [img]https://78.media.tumblr.com/e10967f6c6b32114f1ddc40ecd95047e/tumblr_inline_oaow7p3A1e1rxdcaf_500.gif[/img] [img]https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2014/05/springer-man-little-person-fight.gif[/img] [size=7][url=https://www.joe.co.uk/life/tall-people-problems-95706][b] 17 daily struggles every tall man has to deal with[/b][/url][/size] [img]http://upl.stack.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/psturg-654x426.jpg[/img] [b]you cant even enter in a feild of work if you are not tall enough. my father was an amature basketball player so i know this.[/b] also there are reports of basketball players just biulding new houes for themselves insted of buying used ones because they were tired of bumping their head on the walk way cant find the artical atm but you can look that up. Also for SMALLER people [img]http://cdn.ahchealthenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Not-so-childproof-safety-caps.jpg[/img due to smaller mussles medison caps where made to keep children from being able to open up the bottle. [img]https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/short-people-problems-fb.png[/img] [img]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1d/1c/71/1d1c71456993d623e2fe1920304a4da8.jpg[/img] [img]http://wheresmysammich.com/images/81420.jpg[/img] [img]http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/2017/01/short-5.jpg[/img] [img]https://pics.onsizzle.com/short-people-problems-the-accuracy-%F0%9F%98%82%EF%B8%8F%F0%9F%98%82%EF%B8%8F%F0%9F%98%82%EF%B8%8F-%E2%9E%A1%EF%B8%8Ftag-a-friend-%E2%9E%A1%EF%B8%8Fturn-4181595.png[/img] [img]http://www.beheadingboredom.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/short-people-problems-door-handles.jpg[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/cPDNlWm.jpg[/img] [img]https://img.memecdn.com/small-people-problems-anime-setitokai-yakuindomo-fullmetal-alchemist_fb_5393564.jpg[/img] [img]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cd/e2/35/cde23573a4f6372426b0bc9f9a707020.jpg[/img] [img]https://i.pinimg.com/474x/a2/d0/d2/a2d0d23894da83a1cdfa9d3e519f174e--romance-anime-kawaii-anime.jpg[/img] [img]https://myanimelist.cdn-dena.com/s/common/uploaded_files/1449641894-9ebc210d13522c9fb7d2ab8049a24846.jpeg[/img] [img]https://avvesione.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/ore_monogatari-15-takeo-mariya-size_difference-height-comedy-thumbs_up.jpg[/img] [img]https://ugc.kn3.net/i/origin/http://www.pxleyes.com/images/users/S/Sarah06/3651/fullsize/4ea40c805febf.gif[/img] I could go on but I think i made my point. [quote]Do faes have their own section of the lair that no other dragon can fit in? Or do these faes walk in massive hallways because they have to be large enough for the largest dragons in the clan to fit?[/quote] Yes faes have small tools for a small race and yes they work in large rooms if thy are with large dragons for the large boys need to be acomidated for. In the Lore story Ten Eyes the fae was sitting on the table IIRC wile every dragon in the room whom where a mix of breeds where standing up. [quote]Hell, I went back to re-reading an old lair post and my fae messenger was operating a heavy stone door... if I went by the "1m in length" size, she would never be able to open it because she weights only a few kg whereas the guardian that ransacked my lair weighs 10 thousand kg. [/quote] in Ten eyes the fae was requested to help the mirror up whom are massive beast in comparison [quote]Swipp in particular makes everything difficult because there's suddenly a standard in items. [/quote] you are assuming that those items are to scale and so to are the faes. And the community manager has stated in the past that the exspressions are false so I dont trust the canonity of that image. [quote]Can my 3kg fae bring them 50 corroded iron nuggets or a black wolf pelt to trade? Probably not. Only Guardians, Imps and Ridgies can do this if you're going by the size chart. Which means most of your lair is effectively useless. [/quote] Or magic you are forgetting that Or tools or familiar aid. How did the humans make the pyramids? Their cathedrals? Their temples? [quote]Or are we thinking there's just as many sizes of wolves to get a pelt from as there are dragons so the fae can bring fae sized wolf pets and the imp brings imp sized wolf pelts? [/quote] Magic im not joking we do have magic in his world. [quote]Maybe things just magically shrink and grow depending on who is holding it, but to me, it's harder to retain suspension of disbelief if it's going from a creature five stories tall to a dragon the size of a mouse. [/quote] [quote=imp lore] Emperors Emperor dragons are danger on a battlefield where many Imperials have fallen. These ghastly behemoths are a mindless monstrosity, fused from the bodies of fallen Imperials with some specimens known to have reached over [b]100 meters[/b] in length[/quote] [url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=29669923] [img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/350/296700/29669923_350.png[/img] [/url] 28m [url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=31066079] [img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/350/310661/31066079_350.png[/img] [/url] 21 m [url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=34621758] [img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/350/346218/34621758_350.png[/img] [/url] Length 24.5 newest lore in Raising A Family showed that it now only take 3 imperials to make a 100m+ emporor when [b][u][i]CONFIRMED BY UNDEL[/i][/u][/b] it used to take 4 http://undel.tumblr.com/post/90651058102/headcanon-time so now it only takes 3 to make a 100m+ emporor so where does that extra 25m+ come from if we're working off of 3 dragons whom's total langth checks out at around 75m??? It's because of magic and the [b]magic boom[/b] that was brought in during the Bounty of the elements. [quote=BotE update] [b]The pull of the elements has increased, sowing prosperous bounties for each flight and their thousands of clans.[/b] Riptides have become stronger, wind currents howl with incredible force, the nights have become darker, and the days have become brighter. Blizzards are formidably crusting the very edges of the lands in the south, as intense thunderstorms wreak havoc on those in the east, the excess energy ripe for harvest. Industrious, ground-breaking clans like Fire and Earth are discovering extremely valuable minerals and artifacts never before seen, leading to breakthroughs in ancient history and metallurgy. The creep of the plague is harder and harder to repress as new strains threaten to infect areas once protected. The natural world is also flourishing, roots taking hold to find moisture wherever they can. From the sanctity of their floating islands, the Arcane dragons watch this burgeoning new world, wondering what gifts...or what curses...it might bestow. To take advantage of this, dragonflight populations are poised to climb dramatically. [/quote] [quote]For some reason, it's easier to take small bites and use this shrink theory for clothing in regards to a 4 ft tall person vs a 6 foot tall person.[/quote] Well given Arcanist can use technology not intended for his size I think the shrink enlarging theory is pretty much cannon in the world of sornieth. [img]http://www.flightrising.com/images/wiki/secondage/image_2.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.flightrising.com/images/wiki/secondage/image_3.jpg[/img] Asumed human size? [quote=story chapter 3]Curious about the purpose of the construct, the young wyrm entered, approaching the ringed cylinder that led him to this place. Diagrams led him to the eyepiece in the center of the observatory’s central chamber. Tracing its connection to the scope, the Arcanist began to understand what he must do. Unaware of what to expect, he curled up on the floor and looked into the device.[/quote] [img]http://i.imgur.com/KKKZAIc.png[/img] ~Artwork @Pocketss [quote= Aequorin]The deities range in size, but even the smallest (@Arcanist) is many times the size of the largest dragon. [/quote] /=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/ Was that easier to read @Shian ?

[quote name="@Bongo" date="2018-04-13 10:28:47" ] @/catgame21234 [quote name="catgame21234" date="2018-04-13 09:37:54" ] if you are struggeling to visolize that or dont want to, but don't want to go with "they boop snoots and magic happends" mentality then perhaps go with external fertilization like how chickens reproduce [/quote] Chickens do not externally fertilize. They do lay eggs, yes, but those are internally fertilized through copulation, as is the norm with most birds. External fertilization is definitely a thing, but not the norm amongst fully terrestrial vertebrates due to the risk of dessication. [/quote] [b][i][u]I HAVE BEEN LIED TO[/u][/i][/b]

I wouldn't say the human world is functional for all humans. A person that is too tall has to duck to walk around in quite a few houses. They're more likely to suffer back pain earlier in life from needing to bend down to reach things an average-sized human wouldn't need to bend for. A person that is too short cannot comfortably use quite a few things. I'm not that short and I have to climb onto a lot of counters to reach the back (say, to turn on or use a sink.) Because of this my shirts tear very quickly and I pretty much always have holes around waist-level unless I've dedicated a shirt for non-working uses only. My brother can fix things that I cannot because he's stronger than me.

I dunno, I like the idea that things like wildlife are varied. There are wolves that are two stories tall in Sornieth, alongside wolves that are smaller than most dogs. Different subspecies. It helps make the world more logical than if dragons were just dropped into our world. Instead of meat-eaters desperately needing to hunt all the time to maintain their metabolisms, there are animals actually large enough for them to eat.

As for Swipp, he's not making the items out of the stuff you give him. I'm pretty sure that's canon. He's a trader, not a manufacturer. He's a middle man.

@catgame21234 Yes, that is exactly my point.

Look! Someone has trouble with the washing machine! How hilarious!

But she doesn't need one built specifically for her in order to use it. She still has the ability to use it even if it's a bit of a struggle.
If a washing machine was built for an imp, the fae would not even be able to press the buttons, let alone carry any of her mate's clothing to the washer. If they were built for dragons, we'd need 7 different ones manufactured and only the breed it was designed for could use it. I'm sure that's appropriate if you have a single breed lair and you get no visitors ever.

Someone has to climb up on a counter to get a box! That's vastly different than "the box is bigger than her and she can't use it at all. Or "The counter is now a mountain and she needs three week's worth of food to get there."

"A large person is using a child's toy" Yes, but notice he's still using it. Not, "I'm going to crush someone else's tool because it's smaller than my palm."

But if you just want to shout "magic" at everything because that's what makes sense to you, go for it. There are two sides to this after all and having everything you own including your entire lair shrinking and growing at will makes sense for some people.