2 things.
1. This
could be intentional, but given the pattern of other items, it seems not.
The
Moldy Leather item drops in gathering and from chests, but not from any enemies in the Coliseum. Its
variant, however, does drop from an enemy: the Deaths-Head Stag.
The Crimson Emperor (variant of the Deaths-Head Stag) doesn't have another drop to align with the Rotting Leather, only having the usual food + other item variants of what the Deaths-Head drops.
Its very consistent that variant enemies will also drop variant items, so to have the Moldy Leather missing a collection method seems unintentional and out of place.
2. The
Hippocampus Crate has the Hippocampus listed twice for drops, while the
Hippocamp Crate has no enemies listed, but is clearly meant for the Hippocampus. The
Hippocampus page itself has the first crate listed twice.
2 things.
1. This
could be intentional, but given the pattern of other items, it seems not.
The
Moldy Leather item drops in gathering and from chests, but not from any enemies in the Coliseum. Its
variant, however, does drop from an enemy: the Deaths-Head Stag.
The Crimson Emperor (variant of the Deaths-Head Stag) doesn't have another drop to align with the Rotting Leather, only having the usual food + other item variants of what the Deaths-Head drops.
Its very consistent that variant enemies will also drop variant items, so to have the Moldy Leather missing a collection method seems unintentional and out of place.
2. The
Hippocampus Crate has the Hippocampus listed twice for drops, while the
Hippocamp Crate has no enemies listed, but is clearly meant for the Hippocampus. The
Hippocampus page itself has the first crate listed twice.
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The first one is intentional. It's a relic of how the site worked back in the early days, when coli drops worked differently and the dev team's philosophy on asymmetry was different than it is now. The shortest explanation is that the leathers' primary acquisition method is Gathering, so they are exempt from the "variant" mob drop rules. Some other examples of this kind of item:
Sand Creeper Ruby Ring
The second is indeed an error, and the Database entry has its own button for reporting such errors (the lightbulb icon)!
The first one is intentional. It's a relic of how the site worked back in the early days, when coli drops worked differently and the dev team's philosophy on asymmetry was different than it is now. The shortest explanation is that the leathers' primary acquisition method is Gathering, so they are exempt from the "variant" mob drop rules. Some other examples of this kind of item:
Sand Creeper Ruby Ring
The second is indeed an error, and the Database entry has its own button for reporting such errors (the lightbulb icon)!
I'm aware that it might be intentional, but I'd like to at least hear from a member of staff, if I'm being honest. I don't think either example really matches up with the two leather items; the Sand Creeper has 4 variants total, while the Ruby Ring has 3, so the collection methods would have to be asymmetrical, since there aren't enemies with more than 2 variants. The Moldy Leather looks like it's just missing a collection method, rather than it being purposefully asymmetrical.
And for the second, the thing is: I did submit it through the database a while ago (I want to say at least a couple weeks ago, but I'm bad at telling time). I'm resubmitting it here since it hasn't been fixed, and might be an error with the drops itself, rather than simply the database being off.
I'm aware that it might be intentional, but I'd like to at least hear from a member of staff, if I'm being honest. I don't think either example really matches up with the two leather items; the Sand Creeper has 4 variants total, while the Ruby Ring has 3, so the collection methods would have to be asymmetrical, since there aren't enemies with more than 2 variants. The Moldy Leather looks like it's just missing a collection method, rather than it being purposefully asymmetrical.
And for the second, the thing is: I did submit it through the database a while ago (I want to say at least a couple weeks ago, but I'm bad at telling time). I'm resubmitting it here since it hasn't been fixed, and might be an error with the drops itself, rather than simply the database being off.
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[quote name="pheaux" date="2023-08-27 10:54:15" ]Ruby Ring has 3, so the collection methods would have to be asymmetrical, since there aren't enemies with more than 2 variants.
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Again, back in the day this wasn't true: there are three Kamaitachi, and three Dodos. On that point, all three Kamaitachi originally dropped [gamedb item=2049] despite them each having their own food drop variant, and the variant claw drops were added in a later update. But I will concede that I'm not staff.
pheaux wrote on 2023-08-27 10:54:15:
Ruby Ring has 3, so the collection methods would have to be asymmetrical, since there aren't enemies with more than 2 variants.
Again, back in the day this wasn't true: there are three Kamaitachi, and three Dodos. On that point, all three Kamaitachi originally dropped
Sickle Claws despite them each having their own food drop variant, and the variant claw drops were added in a later update. But I will concede that I'm not staff.
Hippocamp Crate is missing as a drop from
Hippocampus
Skin: Deathseeker is missing as a drop from
Death Seeker
Skin: Coursing Skira is missing as a drop from
Coursing Skira
Skin: Fallout Streak is missing as a drop from
Fallen Streak
(
Fallout Streak aren't Coliseum drops as of
this update, but Fall
en Streak already drops 2 other items named Fall
out)
All are listed as Site Skins in the Game Database, but none are currently obtainable.
[quote name="Dreu" date="2023-08-27 11:36:50" ]
Hippocamp Crate is missing as a drop from Hippocampus
Skin: Deathseeker is missing as a drop from Death Seeker
Skin: Coursing Skira is missing as a drop from Coursing Skira
Skin: Fallout Streak is missing as a drop from Fallen Streak
(Fallout Streak aren't Coliseum drops as of this update, but Fallen Streak already drops 2 other items named Fallout)
All are listed as Site Skins in the Game Database, but none are currently obtainable.
[/quote]
Fallout streak the familiar not dropping is intentional. But I was able to get the other items hooked up and dropping correctly. Thank you for the report.
Moldy Leather not dropping in coliseum is correct.
Dreu wrote on 2023-08-27 11:36:50:
Hippocamp Crate is missing as a drop from Hippocampus
Skin: Deathseeker is missing as a drop from Death Seeker
Skin: Coursing Skira is missing as a drop from Coursing Skira
Skin: Fallout Streak is missing as a drop from Fallen Streak
(Fallout Streak aren't Coliseum drops as of this update, but Fallen Streak already drops 2 other items named Fallout)
All are listed as Site Skins in the Game Database, but none are currently obtainable.
Fallout streak the familiar not dropping is intentional. But I was able to get the other items hooked up and dropping correctly. Thank you for the report.
Moldy Leather not dropping in coliseum is correct.
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Undel Thank you for the fixes and confirmation!
@
Undel Thank you for the fixes and confirmation!
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