Dragons For Sale

I'm not even logging on most days, so it's time to clear my lair so I can step back.

I want everything in this tab gone, please feel free to offer. The first 6 (maaybe 7) I'm a bit more hesitant on and wouldn't want to take a large loss on, but all the rest, feel free to throw a number out.

As for the rest of my lair, I'm not actively selling them, but feel free to offer if you want something badly and I'll think it over. However, I am not opposed to letting most of my dragons sit and wait for me, as long as it takes.

General pinglists: Flat sale
Ping for: XXY, XYY, XYZ, Earth Normal Eyes, Lightning Normal Eyes, Shadow Normal Eyes, Shadow Primal, Ice Normal Eyes, Water Normal Eyes, Plague Normal Eyes, Arcane Normal Eyes, Light Normal Eyes, Nature Normal Eyes, Arcane Rare, Plague Goat, Plague Rare, Ice Rare, Ancient, Modern, Dusthide, Aberration, Gaoler, Mirror, Pearlcatcher, Coatl, Wildclaw, Undertide, Fae, Nocturne, Skydancer, Tundra, Veilspun, Autumn, Reds, Natural, Tree, Browns, Matching eyes, Pastels, Greyscale, Snowbellies, Eyeburners, Blues, Purples, Oranges, Flight reps (all), Flight reps (matching eyes), Near miss, Pinks
Exclude: Shadow Primal

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Color and Date specifics:
Dragon 1 #94369440 (Earth Common) (Crimson/Crimson/Cantaloupe) 2024-04-17
Date pings: @charrpie @Saltspine
Specific pings: @mercurialwings @Mazurkas @cokl @Nectaris @Necramancy @radiance @LABS107 @Observance @X3X @Tauriel @Fallenarrow @Luluwi @seamists @Feety @EtnaFire @Variant @SnekOnALantern @Quivira @SharkBa1t @Avurdios

Dragon 2 #76008936 (Earth Unusual) (Dirt/Dirt/Algae) 2022-02-22
Date pings: @palarian @milkchai @Vabam @wolvebones
Specific pings: @mercurialwings @Mazurkas @chants @Khayria @cokl @Floot @Necramancy @seclusion @radiance @Elidibus @LABS107 @Terrify @Aquatlcs @above @X3X @Tauriel @Osteoderm @Deva @Gunk @bergamot @solophis @Alyxsandre @collude @milkchai @th3aw0k3n @JackalopShepherd @seamists @Feety @dynne @Goldensong @Hermitbirb @okcomputer @Variant @oxen @AngelicAvian @SnekOnALantern @algophobia @Quivira @keydotzip @tnecho @Avurdios @hypomargoteros @Labyrinths @Emanuele

Dragon 3 #94369443 (Lightning Uncommon) (Antique/Antique/Mist) 2024-04-17
Date pings: @charrpie
Specific pings: @mercurialwings @Mazurkas @Blessings5x @Garizard @Khayria @cokl @hex @Halflife @Necramancy @seclusion @fay @LilyBound @radiance @LABS107 @alphias @Observance @X3X @Feet @minuets @agheful @Osteoderm @Luluwi @RydeTheHype @Deva @NannaLi @EzRadiant @shapelights @dyhayc @Peeta @ostoserottelija @C0smos @cross @EndlessVoid @Sav @kinyobi @HermitBirb @Feety @dynne @Goldensong @NefariousKing @Hermitbirb @Alecyne @Variant @RunTooLong @Lilyvian @macintalk @AngelicAvian @SnekOnALantern @Quivira @SharkBa1t @Alphruss @PrincessTaozi @Fayo @Avurdios

Dragon 4 #55021870 (Lightning Uncommon) (Navy/Ice/Ice) 2019-09-05
Date pings: @mercurialwings @NoirVogelchen
Specific pings: @mercurialwings @Blessings5x @Blushunt @cokl @seclusion @Dwarfcochlidlvr @dwarfcichlidlvr @LABS107 @Barok @Luluwi @EzRadiant @Feety @EtnaFire @Quivira @SharkBa1t

Dragon 5 #81773499 (Shadow Common) (Cyan/Cyan/Sanguine) 2022-10-31
Date pings: @sifenke @furo @Artorias @Foxe @Novetteus @Putrefaction @Putrefaction @UserOfShadows @Sionainn @Blushunt @dayliqht @alyblaith @jr413 @mayanaz @Iralla @crogge @Kikatzu @l0ser @Avessa @ClockworkEclipse @Apothecaria @fernbrake @Raestrao @Phlegethos @GraveRabbit @rodent @assiduendo @LABS107 @BubblePaw @Goatherder @alexmonstrous @Manifesting @ShiftingFoxx @runelore @changgwi @Luluwi @Houndstooth @Cattleya @Parsnips @frogletfern @zeniths @TaroQueen @mcpearlie @Valishtu @furbyteeth444 @JackalopShepherd @seamists @hermitbirb @TheCicadas @cocobella @EbonyBriars @CreatorsDilemma @gnosiphobia @mawile94 @acherontian @Glacecakes @Tsukimayu @blueri
Specific pings: @mercurialwings @QueenAlais @Overcoat @Nukleer @Greylag @cokl @seclusion @radiance @Dwarfcichlidlvr @LABS107 @X3X @Barok @Osteoderm @Luluwi @GLIGAR @Shulk @Colormancy @seamists @Feety @EtnaFire @SnekOnALantern @dracosauria @Quivira @keydotzip @SharkBa1t @Avurdios

Dragon 6 #74725160 (Shadow Primal) (Ultramarine/Black/Black) 2021-12-29
Date pings: @Kikatzu @unsolved
Specific pings: @mercurialwings @Blessings5x @Overcoat @Nukleer @cokl @LABS107 @Luluwi @EzRadiant @Feety @veilmochi @SnekOnALantern @Quivira @SharkBa1t

Dragon 7 #66632752 (Lightning Common) (Thistle/Thistle/Clay) 2021-01-14
Date pings: @NostalgicBreeze @FableSky
Specific pings: @mercurialwings @auroshen @Naturalcyber @cokl @seclusion @radiance @LABS107 @heuksom @X3X @RydeTheHype @Osteoderm @Luluwi @Torrey @Feety @RunTooLong @SnekOnALantern @Quivira @SharkBa1t @Avurdios

Dragon 8 #24252481 (Ice Common) (Tomato/Tomato/Eggplant) 2016-06-08
Date pings: @EverAutumn
Specific pings: @mercurialwings @Mazurkas @cokl @Floot @Necramancy @radiance @LABS107 @Observance @X3X @RydeTheHype @Luluwi @Feety @Variant @RunTooLong @SnekOnALantern @Quivira @SharkBa1t @Avurdios

Dragon 9 #88349151 (Water Swirl) (Purple/Purple/Slate) 2023-08-13
Date pings: @Ebonixi
Specific pings: @mercurialwings @auroshen @cokl @radiance @LABS107 @X3X @Osteoderm @snailmilk @Torrey @Feety @EtnaFire @RunTooLong @SnekOnALantern @Quivira @SharkBa1t @Avurdios

Dragon 10 #81790339 (Plague Unusual) (Twilight/Twilight/Avocado) 2022-10-31
Date pings: @sifenke @furo @Artorias @Foxe @Novetteus @Putrefaction @Putrefaction @UserOfShadows @Sionainn @Blushunt @alyblaith @jr413 @mayanaz @Iralla @crogge @Kikatzu @l0ser @Avessa @ClockworkEclipse @Apothecaria @Raestrao @Phlegethos @GraveRabbit @rodent @assiduendo @LABS107 @BubblePaw @Goatherder @alexmonstrous @Manifesting @ShiftingFoxx @runelore @changgwi @Luluwi @Houndstooth @Cattleya @Parsnips @zeniths @TaroQueen @sense @mcpearlie @Valishtu @furbyteeth444 @JackalopShepherd @seamists @hermitbirb @TheCicadas @cocobella @CreatorsDilemma @gnosiphobia @acherontian @Glacecakes @Tsukimayu @blueri
Specific pings: @mercurialwings @auroshen @cokl @radiance @LABS107 @X3X @Osteoderm @Luluwi @seamists @Feety @EtnaFire @SnekOnALantern @Quivira @Avurdios

Dragon 11 #94020879 (Plague Common) (Cinnamon/Cinnamon/Sable) 2024-04-01
Date pings: @sifenke @furo @Putrefaction @UserOfShadows @Giogeth @jr413 @Apothecaria @Hwei @Sushimonsterr @BubblePaw @LABS107 @Manifesting @ShiftingFoxx @runelore @Luluwi @Redfern @mcpearlie @AquamarineNaga @furbyteeth444 @Tsukimayu
Specific pings: @mercurialwings @Coward @Mazurkas @chants @ladoslee @Zayev @Nukleer @Khayria @cokl @Floot @puppicino @haIIow @above @radiance @Cassaroz @TwT @Elidibus @LABS107 @Terrify @HoraDusk @Aquatlcs @novas @Pesticide @heuksom @X3X @abyssalgear @Osteoderm @Deva @Cattleya @Gunk @bergamot @Shrimpedcats @snailmilk @collude @unmarkedgrave @milkchai @th3aw0k3n @JackalopShepherd @Torrey @seamists @Feety @xobrynnx @TheCicadas @liyue @Aurax @dynne @Goldensong @EtnaFire @Hermitbirb @okcomputer @Variant @AngelicAvian @SnekOnALantern @Quivira @XxCalypsoxX @keydotzip @SharkBa1t @tnecho @Avurdios @lyova

Dragon 12 #74478838 (Arcane Uncommon) (Green/Auburn/Auburn) 2021-12-21
Date pings: @assiduendo
Specific pings: @mercurialwings @Mazurkas @chants @cokl @LABS107 @Terrify @Tauriel @seamists @Feety @Goldensong @EtnaFire @Variant @macintalk @Quivira

Dragon 13 #48365504 (Light Glowing) (Peridot/Peacock/Shale) 2019-01-07
Date pings:
Specific pings: @Mazurkas @cokl @LABS107 @Tauriel @Luluwi @Gunk @Yokudl @Alyxsandre @SakraKaine @Goldensong @EtnaFire @Variant @Quivira

Dragon 14 #74787677 (Ice Common) (Smoke/Storm/Stonewash) 2021-12-31
Date pings:
Specific pings: @Blessings5x @cokl @xytiiko @LABS107 @Luluwi @EzRadiant @weathering @RunTooLong @SnekOnALantern @Quivira @keydotzip @SharkBa1t

Dragon 15 #64822570 (Water Swirl) (Eldritch/Denim/Lapis) 2020-10-31
Date pings: @sifenke @furo @Foxe @Novetteus @Putrefaction @Putrefaction @UserOfShadows @Sionainn @Blushunt @dayliqht @alyblaith @jr413 @mayanaz @Iralla @crogge @Kikatzu @l0ser @Avessa @ClockworkEclipse @fernbrake @Phlegethos @GraveRabbit @rodent @assiduendo @LABS107 @BubblePaw @Goatherder @alexmonstrous @Manifesting @ShiftingFoxx @runelore @changgwi @Luluwi @Houndstooth @Cattleya @Deebot @frogletfern @zeniths @TaroQueen @robsypi @mcpearlie @Valishtu @furbyteeth444 @JackalopShepherd @seamists @hermitbirb @TheCicadas @cocobella @CreatorsDilemma @iniquitas @gnosiphobia @acherontian @Glacecakes @Tsukimayu @blueri
Specific pings: @Blessings5x @Nukleer @cokl @Hyllin @seclusion @LABS107 @Luluwi @EzRadiant @Alyxsandre @moldritch @Quivira @keydotzip @SharkBa1t

Dragon 16 #74576284 (Ice Uncommon) (Sky/Ice/Purple) 2021-12-25
Date pings: @sifenke @xxxx @Sionainn @Blushunt @mayanaz @Kikatzu @Avessa @ClockworkEclipse @fernbrake @LABS107 @BubblePaw @alexmonstrous @Manifesting @ShiftingFoxx @runelore @Luluwi @frogletfern @zeniths @TaroQueen @mcpearlie @seamists @CreatorsDilemma @iniquitas @Tsukimayu @blueri
Specific pings: @Blessings5x @AbyssalRuins @cokl @xytiiko @seclusion @Dwarfcichlidlvr @LABS107 @EzRadiant @Quivira @SharkBa1t @Alphruss

Dragon 17 #88881000 (Light Uncommon) (Lead/Taupe/Cerise) 2023-09-04
Date pings: @sharkbatak
Specific pings: @Mazurkas @Khayria @cokl @seclusion @LABS107 @Aquatlcs @Tauriel @abyssalgear @weathering @HermitBirb @seamists @EtnaFire @Hermitbirb @Variant @AngelicAvian @SnekOnALantern @Quivira @keydotzip @SharkBa1t

Dragon 18 #89811217 (Ice Uncommon) (Black/Cyan/Bubblegum) 2023-10-14
Date pings: @hayum @ozvena
Specific pings: @cokl @seclusion @LABS107 @Osteoderm @Luluwi @GLIGAR @weathering @EtnaFire @SnekOnALantern @Quivira

Dragon 19 #95003150 (Water Unusual) (Coal/Taupe/Slate) 2024-05-12
Date pings: @Astromanian
Specific pings: @Coward @mmuted @Mazurkas @aeons @Khayria @cokl @puppicino @seclusion @above @TwT @Elidibus @LABS107 @Terrify @Aquatlcs @novas @pensive @abyssalgear @Osteoderm @Deva @bergamot @Shrimpedcats @milkchai @HermitBirb @xobrynnx @liyue @Aurax @EtnaFire @Hermitbirb @okcomputer @Variant @AngelicAvian @SnekOnALantern @Quivira @oncorhynchus @keydotzip @SharkBa1t @tnecho @lyova

Dragon 20 #95003111 (Nature Common) (Gloom/Flint/Mint) 2024-05-12
Date pings: @Astromanian
Specific pings: @Mazurkas @cokl @LABS107 @Luluwi @EzRadiant @solophis @weathering @HermitBirb @xobrynnx @Hermitbirb @Variant @AngelicAvian @Quivira

Dragon 21 #94509159 (Nature Uncommon) (Dust/Maroon/Garnet) 2024-04-20
Date pings: @GraveRabbit @Valishtu
Specific pings: @Mazurkas @cokl @Necramancy @LABS107 @abyssalgear @Luluwi @Deva @Maybells @solophis @weathering @xobrynnx @Variant @RunTooLong @Quivira @XxCalypsoxX @keydotzip @SharkBa1t

Dragon 22 #95002977 (Arcane Rare) (Wine/Fuchsia/Brick) 2024-05-12
Date pings: @Astromanian
Specific pings: @cokl @LABS107 @Tauriel @seamists @Variant @AngelicAvian @SnekOnALantern @Quivira @keydotzip @SharkBa1t @hatesprit

Dragon 23 #95003180 (Ice Common) (Denim/Algae/Turquoise) 2024-05-12
Date pings: @Astromanian
Specific pings: @cokl @seclusion @LABS107 @Yokudl @Alyxsandre @seamists @SakraKaine @dynne @EtnaFire @Quivira @keydotzip

Dragon 24 #95003005 (Plague Goat) (Black/Watermelon/Robin) 2024-05-12
Date pings: @Astromanian
Specific pings: @Silence @cokl @LABS107 @Terrify @TheGrayGhost @Luluwi @HermitBirb @EtnaFire @Variant @AngelicAvian @SnekOnALantern @Quivira

Dragon 25 #95003179 (Water Uncommon) (Silver/Bronze/Crimson) 2024-05-12
Date pings: @Astromanian
Specific pings: @cokl @LABS107 @Barok @solophis @AngelicAvian @Quivira @keydotzip @SharkBa1t

Dragon 26 #95003152 (Plague Rare) (Navy/Lavender/Sanddollar) 2024-05-12
Date pings: @Astromanian
Specific pings: @Nukleer @cokl @LABS107 @Osteoderm @Quivira @SharkBa1t

Dragon 27 #95003109 (Ice Rare) (Dirt/Smoke/Bronze) 2024-05-12
Date pings: @Astromanian
Specific pings: @Mazurkas @cokl @LABS107 @Terrify @above @Barok @weathering @EtnaFire @Hermitbirb @Variant @AngelicAvian @SnekOnALantern @Quivira @oncorhynchus @keydotzip @SharkBa1t @tnecho @lyova

Dragon 28 #94369457 (Lightning Common) (White/Royal/Mint) 2024-04-17
Date pings: @charrpie @Saltspine
Specific pings: @London @cokl @LABS107 @Luluwi @Deva @EzRadiant @weathering @RydeTheHype @Panderz @EtnaFire @RunTooLong @xythnia @SnekOnALantern @Quivira

@Vinid i'm potentially interested in #95003150, but she's not on the ah - has someone already asked after her? [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/95003150][img]https://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/350/950032/95003150_350.png[/img][/url]

@hatesprit I apologize, yes, she's in a PA for someone and I forgot to move her!

[url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/89811217][img]https://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/350/898113/89811217_350.png[/img][/url] would you take 80g for this bubblegum babe?

@tight Sure, I'll send you a PA!

thanks so much ! <3

Cut AH prices on some I relisted today

Hello! A bit of a wild shot here but how much would you be looking to get for these if you did happen to sell them :] [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/9081264][img]https://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/avatars/90813/9081264.png[/img][/url][url=https://www1.flightrising.com/dragon/8880839][img]https://www1.flightrising.com/rendern/avatars/88809/8880839.png[/img][/url]

@Anjou I don't have prices in mind on dragons I'm not actively selling, it's more of a bribe situation tbh! Although, worth noting on the unnamed one, I consider unnamed Unbred G1 7 digits worth significantly more than a named one to me.