First I'd like to say I haven't read the booksplease don't hit me I DO plan to read them in the future so if I missed some vital information I'm sorry.
So my friend and I were watching The Two Towers(extended) a couple of days ago, and we got into a discussion what which forest is worse; Mirkwood or Fangorn(Which I believe is the forest I'm talking about, the Forest Merry and Pippin went into?). I think the Fangorn is the worse of the two, because it is old, and it is angry. The trees themselves are literally out to do you whatever harm they can(or so I've heard). The forest literally decimates the army of retreating orc after they're defeated at Helm's Deep. My friend on the other hand thinks Mirkwood is the worse of the two because of the sickness that lays upon it.
So which one do you think? Feel free to discuss other LotR things as well(or Hobbit)!
First I'd like to say I haven't read the booksplease don't hit me I DO plan to read them in the future so if I missed some vital information I'm sorry.
So my friend and I were watching The Two Towers(extended) a couple of days ago, and we got into a discussion what which forest is worse; Mirkwood or Fangorn(Which I believe is the forest I'm talking about, the Forest Merry and Pippin went into?). I think the Fangorn is the worse of the two, because it is old, and it is angry. The trees themselves are literally out to do you whatever harm they can(or so I've heard). The forest literally decimates the army of retreating orc after they're defeated at Helm's Deep. My friend on the other hand thinks Mirkwood is the worse of the two because of the sickness that lays upon it.
So which one do you think? Feel free to discuss other LotR things as well(or Hobbit)!
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We won't hit, no worries haha. Neither forest is evil or bad. Fangorn forest is angry at being cut down by the orcs so that the orcs could create their machinery. Their anger is understandable and they harm only them. The Ents and the trees response to Merry and Pippin is understandable in that they had never encountered Hobbits before, and of recently, only nasty creatures entered Fangorn to harm them. So the rough reception was only a misunderstanding.
As for Mirkwood, again, it isn't an evil forest. The elves would never have built their home in it otherwise. In fact, it was a gorgeous forest once, and will be once again after LotR. It is merely the encroaching darkness that made it more dangerous. But, as said in LotR, darkness has touched nearly every corner and it's affect is everywhere.
But, as simply which one is more dangerous, definitely Mirkwood because of the spiders. Fangorn is a good forest so long as you aren't of the dark races.
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toxicE
We won't hit, no worries haha. Neither forest is evil or bad. Fangorn forest is angry at being cut down by the orcs so that the orcs could create their machinery. Their anger is understandable and they harm only them. The Ents and the trees response to Merry and Pippin is understandable in that they had never encountered Hobbits before, and of recently, only nasty creatures entered Fangorn to harm them. So the rough reception was only a misunderstanding.
As for Mirkwood, again, it isn't an evil forest. The elves would never have built their home in it otherwise. In fact, it was a gorgeous forest once, and will be once again after LotR. It is merely the encroaching darkness that made it more dangerous. But, as said in LotR, darkness has touched nearly every corner and it's affect is everywhere.
But, as simply which one is more dangerous, definitely Mirkwood because of the spiders. Fangorn is a good forest so long as you aren't of the dark races.
I agree with Sylinyx.
As long as you aren't out to harm the forest, I think Fangorn wouldn't be a terrible place to be in.
As for Mirkwood, it used to be known as the Greenwood, and was as beautiful as any of the other elven realms, until things started going downhill during events before and sort of during the Hobbit.
I agree with Sylinyx.
As long as you aren't out to harm the forest, I think Fangorn wouldn't be a terrible place to be in.
As for Mirkwood, it used to be known as the Greenwood, and was as beautiful as any of the other elven realms, until things started going downhill during events before and sort of during the Hobbit.
MIRKWOOD Mirkwood is worst hands down.
Why you ask? Is it some inherently evil force? Is it even angrier than Fangorn, a rebel forest with a cause?
No. It's the spiders. The freaking spiders. I have some super arachnophobia and I hate it because I actually think spiders are pretty cool in the grand scheme of things but I am also deathly afraid of them, so poor Mirkwood never really stood a chance with me. Even though I do love the elves. But I also love Ents so that counts for something.
MIRKWOOD Mirkwood is worst hands down.
Why you ask? Is it some inherently evil force? Is it even angrier than Fangorn, a rebel forest with a cause?
No. It's the spiders. The freaking spiders. I have some super arachnophobia and I hate it because I actually think spiders are pretty cool in the grand scheme of things but I am also deathly afraid of them, so poor Mirkwood never really stood a chance with me. Even though I do love the elves. But I also love Ents so that counts for something.
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There are a lot of creepy forests in Tolkien. Fun fact, @
ToxicE , quite possibly the scariest forest scene isn't in the movies! Frodo is almost eaten by an old, grumpy willow tree not long after leaving the Shire. I believe the scene in which Merry and Pippin have a bad experience with tree roots was an homage to that left-out Fellowship scene, but it's been so long since I've read them, I can't recall if that part is also in the books.
that said, if Fangorn forest is aware you are no enemy, you're totally safe there. However, the Ents and their herds aren't very good at telling friend from foe, hence Treebeard being so hostile to the hobbits. Both of them were once beautiful, magic-imbued Elf-forests that, in the case of Fangorn, declined over time, and in the case of Mirkwood, was infected. I think the taint of Sauron and his Spiders in Mirkwood makes it much more frightening than Fangorn, because Mirkwood's dark enchantment is actively out to madden and confuse anyone, without exception, and Fangorn can be reasoned with, so to say. I think Mirkwood itself is more dangerous than its population of spiders, descended from a dark goddess as they may be, because if I recall, there are several references in The Hobbit about the forest ITSELF being hostile and seeking to confuse and misguide the party.
This wasn't meant to be a lecture, but I really, really like talking about Tolkien. Seriously. Any more Tolkien considerations? No really lay them on me.
There are a lot of creepy forests in Tolkien. Fun fact, @
ToxicE , quite possibly the scariest forest scene isn't in the movies! Frodo is almost eaten by an old, grumpy willow tree not long after leaving the Shire. I believe the scene in which Merry and Pippin have a bad experience with tree roots was an homage to that left-out Fellowship scene, but it's been so long since I've read them, I can't recall if that part is also in the books.
that said, if Fangorn forest is aware you are no enemy, you're totally safe there. However, the Ents and their herds aren't very good at telling friend from foe, hence Treebeard being so hostile to the hobbits. Both of them were once beautiful, magic-imbued Elf-forests that, in the case of Fangorn, declined over time, and in the case of Mirkwood, was infected. I think the taint of Sauron and his Spiders in Mirkwood makes it much more frightening than Fangorn, because Mirkwood's dark enchantment is actively out to madden and confuse anyone, without exception, and Fangorn can be reasoned with, so to say. I think Mirkwood itself is more dangerous than its population of spiders, descended from a dark goddess as they may be, because if I recall, there are several references in The Hobbit about the forest ITSELF being hostile and seeking to confuse and misguide the party.
This wasn't meant to be a lecture, but I really, really like talking about Tolkien. Seriously. Any more Tolkien considerations? No really lay them on me.
Giant. Demon. Spiders.
The spiders in Mirkwood in the Hobbit are descendents of Shelob. Shelob herself is the offspring of a spider and a spider-like demon. Eeeeek.
And the elves of Mirkwood aren't exactly hospitable either. At least Fangorn has the Ents.
So Fangorn doesn't seem that bad by comparison. :|
Giant. Demon. Spiders.
The spiders in Mirkwood in the Hobbit are descendents of Shelob. Shelob herself is the offspring of a spider and a spider-like demon. Eeeeek.
And the elves of Mirkwood aren't exactly hospitable either. At least Fangorn has the Ents.
So Fangorn doesn't seem that bad by comparison. :|
[quote name="littlewhitemouse" date="2015-01-08 22:06:57"]There are a lot of creepy forests in Tolkien. Fun fact, @ToxicE , quite possibly the scariest forest scene isn't in the movies! [b]Frodo is almost eaten by an old, grumpy willow tree not long after leaving the Shire. [/b]I believe the scene in which Merry and Pippin have a bad experience with tree roots was an homage to that left-out Fellowship scene, but it's been so long since I've read them, I can't recall if that part is also in the books.
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Oooh man I remember that, s'all coming back now. That did an excellent job of freaking out 11 year-old me a bit when I read it.
I should reread the books agian. If only my sister hadn't of lost my copies ;-;
So I'm torn between Mirkwood's spiders and the forest mentioned above.
littlewhitemouse wrote on 2015-01-08 22:06:57:
There are a lot of creepy forests in Tolkien. Fun fact, @
ToxicE , quite possibly the scariest forest scene isn't in the movies!
Frodo is almost eaten by an old, grumpy willow tree not long after leaving the Shire. I believe the scene in which Merry and Pippin have a bad experience with tree roots was an homage to that left-out Fellowship scene, but it's been so long since I've read them, I can't recall if that part is also in the books.
Oooh man I remember that, s'all coming back now. That did an excellent job of freaking out 11 year-old me a bit when I read it.
I should reread the books agian. If only my sister hadn't of lost my copies ;-;
So I'm torn between Mirkwood's spiders and the forest mentioned above.
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leviathans I feel it, I read the books after watching the movies, and was so completely unprepared for Frodo almost being eaten by an evil scary tree. And just when I thought I got past that ok and I could deal with it, the Barrow-Downs. I see why they didn't film the Barrow-Downs. I doubt that decision was JUST time constraints.
-shudders- Only the promise of elves helped me endure.
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leviathans I feel it, I read the books after watching the movies, and was so completely unprepared for Frodo almost being eaten by an evil scary tree. And just when I thought I got past that ok and I could deal with it, the Barrow-Downs. I see why they didn't film the Barrow-Downs. I doubt that decision was JUST time constraints.
-shudders- Only the promise of elves helped me endure.
Yeah, I gotta say Mirkwood. The GIANT FREAKING SPIDERS, yes, but also the river that makes you lose your memory and/or fall asleep for like a week if you fall down in it. And there's all these animals that taste gross and stuff, and everything there hates you, possibly including the Elves if you approach them wrong.
I feel like the takeaway from the Hobbit was essentially "Mirkwood is a terrible place to be lost", whereas the eventual result of Fangorn was relatively positive.
And as scary as the Old Forest is, I think Mirkwood wins out over it too, because at least you have the chance of Tom Bombadil saving you.
Yeah, I gotta say Mirkwood. The GIANT FREAKING SPIDERS, yes, but also the river that makes you lose your memory and/or fall asleep for like a week if you fall down in it. And there's all these animals that taste gross and stuff, and everything there hates you, possibly including the Elves if you approach them wrong.
I feel like the takeaway from the Hobbit was essentially "Mirkwood is a terrible place to be lost", whereas the eventual result of Fangorn was relatively positive.
And as scary as the Old Forest is, I think Mirkwood wins out over it too, because at least you have the chance of Tom Bombadil saving you.
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[quote name="SystemsReady" date="2015-01-08 22:26:55"]Giant. Demon. Spiders.
The spiders in Mirkwood in the Hobbit are descendents of Shelob. Shelob herself is the offspring of a spider and a spider-like demon. Eeeeek.
And the elves of Mirkwood aren't exactly hospitable either. At least Fangorn has the Ents.
So Fangorn doesn't seem that bad by comparison. :|[/quote]
SystemsReady wrote on 2015-01-08 22:26:55:
Giant. Demon. Spiders.
The spiders in Mirkwood in the Hobbit are descendents of Shelob. Shelob herself is the offspring of a spider and a spider-like demon. Eeeeek.
And the elves of Mirkwood aren't exactly hospitable either. At least Fangorn has the Ents.
So Fangorn doesn't seem that bad by comparison. :|
