Flight Rising Discussion

[center][color=#137067][size=3][sub]| | [b]Main Post/Info[/b] | [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2008656#post_23218297][color=137067]Visuals[/url] | [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2008656#post_23274965][color=#137067]Updates, Pinglists[/url] | |[/sub][/size][/color] [/center][br] [center][url=https://goo.gl/fWAuMs][img] http://i.imgur.com/GpFR8JG.jpg[/img][/url][/center] [br] [center][color=137067][size=5][b]Update![/b] The Gaolers have arrived![/size][br] [url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JTD3htmb_M7easIakhz9X-KqsDGdmUFf7a0QkoN0npo/edit?usp=sharing][img]https://i.imgur.com/jMpeLiF.png[/img][/url][/center] [color=137067][size=4][/size][/color] [b]The first ancient breed has released![/b] Just as with bogsneaks, I'm curious about their size and stats (maybe even moreso), so we now also have [url=https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf5ADI-PqQXbgsRfnaTWsVJqFu-gkhi7PYmpeerhF8kx5GfAg/viewform?usp=sf_link][color=137067][b]The Gaoler Census![/b][/color][/url] The guidelines are the same -- [b]don't enter gaolers who are not full size[/b], as their data must be deleted. [b]Glitched gaolers are less than 4 metres in length[/b]. These, and immature gaolers who are [b]less than 20 days old[/b], can not be used in the census. It seems that 100% of glitched gaolers are those on breeding cooldown. With the glitch, the only person who can see the real size is the owner. Everyone else sees the tiny, incorrect size. [size=2](relatively tiny, they're the same size as modern tundras lol)[/size] If you're seeing the correct size, you're good to submit it! Even at this early stage, we can already see that they qualify for the large breed category, alongside guardians, ridgebacks, and imperials. They seem to be just a little smaller than guardians, from what I've seen looking at others' gaolers! They are twice the length and weight ten times as much as the next largest breed, coatl. [center][size=5][size=4][font=constantia]---[/size][/size][/font][/center] [center][size=5][size=4][font=constantia][url=https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf5ADI-PqQXbgsRfnaTWsVJqFu-gkhi7PYmpeerhF8kx5GfAg/viewform?usp=sf_link][color=137067]• The Gaoler Form •[/url] [url=https://www.google.com/url?q=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JTD3htmb_M7easIakhz9X-KqsDGdmUFf7a0QkoN0npo/edit?usp%3Dsharing&sa=D&ust=1560062709216000&usg=AFQjCNHUNJr0vT8MWmTtGy3JKZZMbN9-pQ][color=137067]• The Gaoler Results •[/url][/size][/size] [center][size=5][size=4][font=constantia]---[/size][/size][/font][/center][/center] [indent]• Will you do this for every ancient breed?[/indent] For future ancient breeds, I will most likely make a shared spreadsheet, depending on how many they are and how frequently they release. If there's one ancient breed per element, that means there are still ten to release at some point. For this many, it's much more efficient to have a shared sheet. [br] [center][size=5][size=4][font=constantia]•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•[/size][/size][/font] [size=3]- Original Post Below -[/size] [size=5][size=4][font=constantia]•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•---•[/size][/size][/font][/center][br] [center][url=https://goo.gl/sLbBiu][color=137067][size=4]How big is your Bog? Submit their info and see how they measure up![/url][/size][b] [center][size=5][size=4][font=constantia] ---[br]Why, though? ---[/size][/size][/font][br][/center][br][/center] Thanks to the great efforts of those managing [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/1299062][color=137067]the Dragon Census[/url] and [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gde/1578819/1][color=137067]Dragonkind Measures[/url] we have a pretty accurate idea of the size ranges Sornieth's dragon denizens can take on. However since both projects appear to have become inactive, the newest breed will probably not included in them; thus, I've made one for Bogs! With enough dragons recorded, we should be able to find their natural length, wingspan, and weight ranges, and find the biggest and the smallest. Once there is enough data (250-300 Bogs?), I'm going to add a visual representation of the range (some scaled drawings -- maybe graphs, etc) to the bottom of this post. In time, I will likely also add a scale chart for the average size of [i]every[/i] breed compared, like [url=http://olessan-lokenosse.tumblr.com/post/151285336025/since-ive-now-finished-the-dorsal-views-of-both][color=137067]this[/url]. Read on for the important stuff! [size=2](The Bogsneak in the banner is my boy [url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=27072243][color=137067]Hwestwë[/url]. He just has his frills down)[/size][br] [center][size=5][size=4][font=constantia] ---[br]Submitting Data ---[/size][/size][/font][br][/center][br] [list=1][*]This is obvious, but make sure your dragon’s a bogsneak. Make sure your bogsneak [b]has not had a Bogsneak Breed Change Scroll used on them[/b]. [color=transparent].[/color] [*]Wait until your bogsneak is at least [b]26 days old[/b]. Data from bogsneaks who are [i]not[/i] fully grown interferes with the results. Your bogsneak [b]must be fully grown[/b], because these are the stats of adults! [color=transparent].[/color] [*]Make sure your bogsneak [b]is not on cooldown[/b]. [color=transparent].[/color] [*]If your boggle is [b]above[/b] 3.00 metres in length or wingspan, and weighs above 300kg, they are not glitched! Dragons with sizes such as 50kg or 0.55m do have a glitched uncommon size. [color=transparent].[/color] [*][url=https://goo.gl/sLbBiu][color=137067][b]Fill in the 8-question form[/b] and submit it.[/url][/list][br] That’s all there is to it – repeat with as many of your Bogs as you like! The more measurements accumulated, the more precise the results will be. I copy the form results into the Bog Census data sheet manually, so there will be a delay in new entries appearing.[br] [center][size=5][size=4][font=constantia] ---[br]What’s up with scrolled and cooldown Bogs? ---[/size][/size][/font][br][/center] You may already be aware of a glitch that affects Nocturnes; some of them are tiny. [i]Very[/i] tiny. Well, Bogsneaks are affected by this glitch as well. Even the oldest dragon will take on a glitched miniscule size after being changed into a Bogsneak with a scroll, and [b]all[/b] Bogsneaks on cooldown – without exception – are affected as well, but only until their cooldown ends. Breed-changed Bogsneaks will also have their size change on cooldown, but revert back to the first glitched state after it ends. As a result, information on length, wingspan, and weight from these affected Bogsneaks is unreliable for getting statistics on the breed as a whole. They’re far outside the normal range (smaller than one hour old hatchlings) and cannot be counted. If your dragon is a natural-hatched Bogsneak, you need only wait until their cooldown is over: mature (26+ days old) Bogsneaks who were not scrolled and are not on cooldown are the only ones who have reliable length/wings/weight stats. [br] [center][size=5][size=4][font=constantia] ---[br]The Links ---[/size][/size][/font] [center][size=5][size=4][font=constantia][url=https://goo.gl/sLbBiu][br][color=137067]• The Form •[/url] [url=https://goo.gl/fWAuMs][color=137067]• The Results •[/url][/size][/size][br][size=5][size=4][font=constantia] [url=http://emcall.github.io/dragonsizes/][color=137067]Akrona’s Dragon Size Tool[/url] [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/1299062][color=137067]The Dragon Census[/url] [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gde/1578819][color=137067]The Dragonkind Measures Masterpost[/url] [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2057986/1][color=137067]FR Dragon Census v2[/url] [/center][/size][/size] [center][size=5][size=4][font=constantia] ---[br]Righto. Anything else? ---[/size][/size][/font][/center][/center] [br] [indent][b]How is data entered?[/b][/indent] Bogsneak data is entered into a separate sheet (not visible atm) and must be manually pasted into the data in the main sheet; because of this it will not show up immediately, but won't take long regardless as I can access and edit the sheet when AFK as well. Each Bogsneak's data is on a separate row, so I cross it out after I've pasted it into the Census sheet. This way I know exactly which ones have been entered and am unlikely to miss any. [br] [indent][b]Is the Bogsneak Census affiliated with the Dragon Census?[/b][/indent] They are not connected at all, aside from this one being inspired by the Dragon Census and its wealth of info, which currently (14/10) appears to be inactive and thus can't take Bogsneak data. [br] [indent][b]How reliable is the data?[/b][/indent] The accuracy of the information in the summary page relies on the accuracy of the data admitted through the form; mistakes there will show up as mistakes here until removed. Ideally, people will enter their Bog's info as they see it, but typos happen, so if anything seems off I'll check it. Typos will be verified and fixed (e.g 160kg instead of 610kg) and any abnormally small Bogs -- glitched to about 1.5m length -- will be verified and removed. [br] [indent][b]I think I found an error/glitch/bug in the sheet![/b][/indent] If you see anything going wonky with the spreadsheet (something that looks like a glitch, I guess) let me know! I probably made a typo that messed up one of the formulas when I was making it [size=1](I hadn't slept in three days)[/size] [br] [indent][b]Can I ask something?[/b][/indent] Of course! [br]

[center][color=#137067][size=3][sub]| | [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2008656/1#post_2008656][color=#137067]Main Post/Info[/url] | [b]Visuals[/b] | [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2008656/1#post_23274965][color=#137067]Updates, Pinglists[/url] | |[/sub][/size][/color] [/center] [center][size=5][size=4][font=constantia] ---[br]The Visuals ---[/size][/size][/font][br][/center][br] [center][b]Average size as of roughly 20/10/16 5:00FRT [/b]([url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2008656/3#post_23350351][color=137067][b]from this post)[/b][/url][br] [br][img]http://i.imgur.com/T51fOSw.jpg[/img][br] [img]http://i.imgur.com/CTPvp5V.jpg[/img][br][/center] [br] Their wings are surprisingly large! Especially for a breed that, according to Baldwin's account, has little desire to fly: [br][quote=Baldwin]I have also lost almost all of my previous urges to fly or glide.[/quote][br] When I made these views (it's a template), the average Bogsneak in the census was 6.67 metres long, had a 6.76 metre wingspan, and weighed 715.76 kilos. Obviously it's going to change as more entries come in, but we can probably expect it to stay around this mark for a while. The wings also look more... believable, I guess? I've made size templates for all the other breeds, and in quite a few cases their fingers couldn't stretch all the way out to keep the rough proportions of the upper arm/lower arm/finger length true to the art. This isn't the case with Bogsneaks. [center][size=5][size=4][font=constantia] ---[/size][/size][/font][br][/center][br] [center][b]Examples of extreme Bogsneak proportions as of roughly 20/10/16 10:00FRT [/b]([url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2008656/3#post_23350351][color=137067][b]also from this post)[/b][/url] [br] [img]http://i.imgur.com/dh9K2PY.jpg[/img][/center][br] [center][size=5][size=4][font=constantia] ---[/size][/size][/font][br][/center][br] [center][b](5/1/16) Charts of average size of every breed on-site [/b]([url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2008656/4#post_24811680][color=137067][b]from this post[/b])[/url] [br] I [url=http://olessan-lokenosse.tumblr.com/post/155172419035/olessan-lokenosse-its-done-a-comparison-of]have posted[/url] a size chart of the [b]average length and wingspan of all breeds[/b]. This is based on the data of the Dragon Census (except for bogs) and uses the same template as the green Bogsneak visual. (The static charts link to larger versions; I recommend opening in a new tab) [br] [center][url=http://olessan-lokenosse.tumblr.com/post/155207987340/olessan-lokenosse-olessan-lokenosse-its][img]http://i.imgur.com/HR11aCy.gif[/img][/url][br] [url=http://i.imgur.com/CeFnueA.jpg][img]http://i.imgur.com/CeFnueAl.jpg[/img][/url][br] [size=4]Just for fun:[/size][br] [b]Average size giant breeds vs. Tyrannosaurus r. and Spinosaurus a..[/b][br] [url=http://i.imgur.com/Bl07egu.jpg][img]http://i.imgur.com/Bl07egul.jpg[/img][/url][br] [b]--- Biggest observed sizes of giant breeds vs. Tyrannosaurus r. and Spinosaurus a..[/b][br] [url=http://i.imgur.com/gl9u7WP.jpg][img]http://i.imgur.com/gl9u7WPl.jpg[/img][/url][br] [b]--- Biggest observed Fae standing on the head of biggest observed Imperial.[/b][br] [url=http://olessan-lokenosse.tumblr.com/post/155172275070/in-addition-to-the-size-chart-biggest-possible][img]http://i.imgur.com/oDpd9OG.jpg[/img][/url][br] [center][size=5][size=4][font=constantia] ---[/size][/size][/font][br][/center][br] [center][b](1/3/18) Dorsal charts/comparison of average size of every breed on-site [/b]([url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2008656/4#post_24811680][color=137067][b]from this post[/b])[/url] [br] [url=http://olessan-lokenosse.tumblr.com/post/165180735360][img]https://78.media.tumblr.com/6ab333f06c2199c86f33d2ef44df0328/tumblr_ow23u2Dl3e1usr9qzo2_500.gif[/img] [br] [url=https://78.media.tumblr.com/adac2f397456a1cfe8eb448fc5944c22/tumblr_ow23u2Dl3e1usr9qzo3_1280.jpg][img]https://78.media.tumblr.com/adac2f397456a1cfe8eb448fc5944c22/tumblr_ow23u2Dl3e1usr9qzo3_1280.jpg[/img] [center][size=5][size=4][font=constantia] --- --- ---[/size][/size][/font][br][/center][br] [center][b](10/6/19) Smallest-Average-Largest size comparison charts of every modern breed, [/b]([url=https://olessan-lokenosse.tumblr.com/post/175815683480/here-they-all-are-the-smallest-blue-average][color=137067][b]from this post)[/url]. As an example, here are bogs and wildclaws:[/b] [br] [url=https://66.media.tumblr.com/9dedc2ec138ddf77943b7b294df16182/tumblr_pbrdvxoHro1usr9qzo3_1280.jpg][img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/9dedc2ec138ddf77943b7b294df16182/tumblr_pbrdvxoHro1usr9qzo3_1280.jpg[/img][/url]

10/06/19 | Update 4 - Bogs logged, 10/6 07:40FRT: 367 (155 F/120 M), Gaoler Census release, link to another modern breed chart (small-avg-largest of each breed).
31/03/18 | Bapsnaps logged, 30/3 22:30FRT: 275 (201 F/166 M).
01/03/18 | Booples logged, 1/3 3:43FRT: 235 (131 F/104 M) + added dorsal avg. size all breeds chart.
11/01/17 | Beeps logged, 11/1 13:00FRT: 152 (87 F/65 M).
05/01/17 | Update 2 - 114 Bogs logged, more visuals (avg. size all breeds chart).
20/10/16 | Update 1 - 77 Bogs logged, first visuals (average and extreme proportions, Megalania comparison).

Okay, I think that's everything aside from a few formatting things (links at the top of each post), so the Bogsneak Census is now open for data!

- Edit: silly samples removed and bog entries added literally right before I go to watch like 5 episodes of The X-Files -

@Oceanas

I'll be back tomorrow to enter my male's data!

Oh! I will get my numbers for ya <3

@Lokenosse

My two bogsneaks go off cooldown in 7 days :)
I have one male and one female that I hatched from eggs

I'm partly posting so I had it in my forum history :p

Aw, my gal's breed changed. But boost! This is a great idea!

(also, i knew about the glitched sizes but not that they were smaller than hatchlings, thats hilarious lol)

I entered my babe! I wonder if he's on the big or small side, I guess time till tell!

Edit: Oh geez, from the limited samples, my baby is not only short and stout, but pretty heavy. A lil chubby guy, oh no my hearts melting. He's full grown, born a bog, off cool down and everything. He's just tiny and chubby Ahahahaha