[quote name="McAlli" date="2024-11-19 07:11:49" ]
[quote name="Oraanu" date="2024-11-19 06:22:22" ]
After giving it some more thought, I think this feature could be implemented in a way that would add an extra challenge to players who want it without negatively impacting the core features of the game ...
New limited modern breed who's unhatched eggs can only be obtained via a new trading post activity.
You incubate a nest every day (maybe multiple times a day) and after a year (or month, or after you do a set number of incubations) you can claim X number of unhatched eggs for that breed. Maybe the number of eggs you get depends on how well you incubated the nest?
As opposed to just hitting incubate, like Crim, you would donate small stacks (3-10) various items to the nest (food, materials, trinkets - nothing valuable like apparel, familiar, or battle stones)
Like imps, there is no breed change scroll (or maybe there is a very small chance a breed change scroll drops while incubating?), so if you want a Gen 1 you have to do the trading post activity, but the new limited breed can be bred as normal like any other dragon in the nesting grounds.
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Unfortunately, your ideas still "punish" players.
1) The breed would have to be a Neutral one bc personally I'd be miffed if one of my Flight's modern breeds was so difficult to obtain. And I'm in Shadow -- the Flight with 1 Gem breed and the singular current Limited breed. My Flight's modern dragon literally IS the "can only obtain once a year" and it kinda sucks ngl
2) That's still taking a nest out of rotation for a month (or a year). We only have 5 nests and there's no cancellation mechanic. This seems like an unfortunate situation for newbies to get into before they understand the mechanics.
3) There's a reason that egg-rot was removed from the site. It's better to reward players for showing up every day instead of punishing them for not showing up. If I get the jackpot of a full nest of 5 of these limited eggs and then, say, get sick and can't log on to incubate them...I'd be pretty upset to come back after something that isn't under my control and be punished by only having a single egg left. And then I still have to incubate for x amount of days for my meager prize.
4) Would these be random items donated to Crim? Or would we have to have another tag? Because if it's the latter, we still don't have a system in place that un-tags the things you've already used, and it's kinda hellish. If it's random, then you're going to give older players with huge hoards of junk a huge advantage bc it's nothing to an account like mine to dump entire stacks of Mimic Powder into it.
5) The reason that Imps don't have scrolls is bc they were the KS breed. That's it. There's no reason for another dragon created 10 years after the sites launch to not have a breed change scroll. The point of the game is dragon customization and everyone tolerates not being able to breed-change their dragons into Imps because we understand the nature of the KS reward, but I don't think we should EVER have situations beyond that singular exception wherein a player cannot completely customize a dragon that already exists. (See: eye type debacle)
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1.) That makes sense and I agree that it should be a neutral breed so that no one flight is penalized.
2.) This would be a completely separate, bonus nest in the trading post that could only be used to produce this specific breed. It would not affect any of your nests in the nesting grounds.
3.) I guess what I was thinking was a system that rewarded players if they can do more contributions, kinda like the current pursuit system. But I'm still not opposed to it being the same as the current nest system where you aren't penalized for not logging in daily. Perhaps then a system that would work better would be one where everyone starts with one egg but over over the course of the set incubation period, if you do more tasks you get more eggs added to the nest up to a maximum of five.
4.) It would be random common items, not it's own tag. I just think it needs to be some kind of task so that it's not a single button click, since after reading some of the comments on here it seems like lot of people are saying that it wouldn't feel "rewarding" to just hit 'incubate' for 365 days straight. And to be fair, it would be pretty difficult to implement any new feature where older players didn't have a leg up in some way. The same argument could be made against Swipp, Baldwin, and Roundsey who cater to users who already have hoards of extra items and treasure.
5.) I mean it's still impossible to completely customize any dragon, since you can't change their flight/eye color, gender, measurements, hatchday/age, ID#, and often to a reasonable extent their parents and offspring. Not to mention all the non-linebreaking genes that are not yet available for every breed.
McAlli wrote on 2024-11-19 07:11:49:
Oraanu wrote on 2024-11-19 06:22:22:
After giving it some more thought, I think this feature could be implemented in a way that would add an extra challenge to players who want it without negatively impacting the core features of the game ...
New limited modern breed who's unhatched eggs can only be obtained via a new trading post activity.
You incubate a nest every day (maybe multiple times a day) and after a year (or month, or after you do a set number of incubations) you can claim X number of unhatched eggs for that breed. Maybe the number of eggs you get depends on how well you incubated the nest?
As opposed to just hitting incubate, like Crim, you would donate small stacks (3-10) various items to the nest (food, materials, trinkets - nothing valuable like apparel, familiar, or battle stones)
Like imps, there is no breed change scroll (or maybe there is a very small chance a breed change scroll drops while incubating?), so if you want a Gen 1 you have to do the trading post activity, but the new limited breed can be bred as normal like any other dragon in the nesting grounds.
Unfortunately, your ideas still "punish" players.
1) The breed would have to be a Neutral one bc personally I'd be miffed if one of my Flight's modern breeds was so difficult to obtain. And I'm in Shadow -- the Flight with 1 Gem breed and the singular current Limited breed. My Flight's modern dragon literally IS the "can only obtain once a year" and it kinda sucks ngl
2) That's still taking a nest out of rotation for a month (or a year). We only have 5 nests and there's no cancellation mechanic. This seems like an unfortunate situation for newbies to get into before they understand the mechanics.
3) There's a reason that egg-rot was removed from the site. It's better to reward players for showing up every day instead of punishing them for not showing up. If I get the jackpot of a full nest of 5 of these limited eggs and then, say, get sick and can't log on to incubate them...I'd be pretty upset to come back after something that isn't under my control and be punished by only having a single egg left. And then I still have to incubate for x amount of days for my meager prize.
4) Would these be random items donated to Crim? Or would we have to have another tag? Because if it's the latter, we still don't have a system in place that un-tags the things you've already used, and it's kinda hellish. If it's random, then you're going to give older players with huge hoards of junk a huge advantage bc it's nothing to an account like mine to dump entire stacks of Mimic Powder into it.
5) The reason that Imps don't have scrolls is bc they were the KS breed. That's it. There's no reason for another dragon created 10 years after the sites launch to not have a breed change scroll. The point of the game is dragon customization and everyone tolerates not being able to breed-change their dragons into Imps because we understand the nature of the KS reward, but I don't think we should EVER have situations beyond that singular exception wherein a player cannot completely customize a dragon that already exists. (See: eye type debacle)
1.) That makes sense and I agree that it should be a neutral breed so that no one flight is penalized.
2.) This would be a completely separate, bonus nest in the trading post that could only be used to produce this specific breed. It would not affect any of your nests in the nesting grounds.
3.) I guess what I was thinking was a system that rewarded players if they can do more contributions, kinda like the current pursuit system. But I'm still not opposed to it being the same as the current nest system where you aren't penalized for not logging in daily. Perhaps then a system that would work better would be one where everyone starts with one egg but over over the course of the set incubation period, if you do more tasks you get more eggs added to the nest up to a maximum of five.
4.) It would be random common items, not it's own tag. I just think it needs to be some kind of task so that it's not a single button click, since after reading some of the comments on here it seems like lot of people are saying that it wouldn't feel "rewarding" to just hit 'incubate' for 365 days straight. And to be fair, it would be pretty difficult to implement any new feature where older players didn't have a leg up in some way. The same argument could be made against Swipp, Baldwin, and Roundsey who cater to users who already have hoards of extra items and treasure.
5.) I mean it's still impossible to completely customize any dragon, since you can't change their flight/eye color, gender, measurements, hatchday/age, ID#, and often to a reasonable extent their parents and offspring. Not to mention all the non-linebreaking genes that are not yet available for every breed.
Not sure if someone already said this, but what if it's a community effort to hatch the egg? Maybe it's a new NPC in the trading post, a new daily or something.
Not sure if someone already said this, but what if it's a community effort to hatch the egg? Maybe it's a new NPC in the trading post, a new daily or something.
[quote name="Oraanu" date="2024-11-19 12:27:52" ]
1.) That makes sense and I agree that it should be a neutral breed so that no one flight is penalized.
2.) This would be a completely separate, bonus nest in the trading post that could only be used to produce this specific breed. It would not affect any of your nests in the nesting grounds.
3.) I guess what I was thinking was a system that rewarded players if they can do more contributions, kinda like the current pursuit system. But I'm still not opposed to it being the same as the current nest system where you aren't penalized for not logging in daily. Perhaps then a system that would work better would be one where everyone starts with one egg but over over the course of the set incubation period, if you do more tasks you get more eggs added to the nest up to a maximum of five.
4.) It would be random common items, not it's own tag. I just think it needs to be some kind of task so that it's not a single button click, since after reading some of the comments on here it seems like lot of people are saying that it wouldn't feel "rewarding" to just hit 'incubate' for 365 days straight. And to be fair, it would be pretty difficult to implement any new feature where older players didn't have a leg up in some way. The same argument could be made against Swipp, Baldwin, and Roundsey who cater to users who already have hoards of extra items and treasure.
5.) I mean it's still impossible to completely customize any dragon, since you can't change their flight/eye color, gender, measurements, hatchday/age, ID#, and often to a reasonable extent their parents and offspring. Not to mention all the non-linebreaking genes that are not yet available for every breed.
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3) If everyone starts with one egg and contributions bump up the number towards the max of 5, then how is that judged? A meter? The worth of the items? Does the nest need to incubate longer if there are more eggs in it? Is there a system in place where you can just hatch the one egg, or are you forced to work towards maxing the nest? If you can hatch before that max, what's the nest cooldown? If it's going to take a long time and take a lot of contribution, what's the scaling factor? I think there's just too much to think about when it comes to something like this, tbh.
4) Would it be randomized? Would it be a list of items that you have to donate, or would you be able to re-roll what she's asking for? The way to "equalize" this sort of thing between new and old players is to make everyone start from the same place, but that's not always possible. Anything item based is going to be weighted, ofc, and adding a new item will eventually become weighted.
5) It's incredibly disingenuous to compare our conversation about [i]breeds [/i]to stuff like [i]measurements [/i]and [i]hatchday[/i]. Like, of course you can't change what day a dragon is hatched. Come on, man. We're talking about breeds, which have ALWAYS been something you can change with the singular exception. And we should NOT have any more breeds that are limited as the Nocturne, in my opinion.
Almost nothing that's been listed in this thread sounds fun or engaging, imo, and feels like it's just making something difficult when it doesn't have to be.
Oraanu wrote on 2024-11-19 12:27:52:
1.) That makes sense and I agree that it should be a neutral breed so that no one flight is penalized.
2.) This would be a completely separate, bonus nest in the trading post that could only be used to produce this specific breed. It would not affect any of your nests in the nesting grounds.
3.) I guess what I was thinking was a system that rewarded players if they can do more contributions, kinda like the current pursuit system. But I'm still not opposed to it being the same as the current nest system where you aren't penalized for not logging in daily. Perhaps then a system that would work better would be one where everyone starts with one egg but over over the course of the set incubation period, if you do more tasks you get more eggs added to the nest up to a maximum of five.
4.) It would be random common items, not it's own tag. I just think it needs to be some kind of task so that it's not a single button click, since after reading some of the comments on here it seems like lot of people are saying that it wouldn't feel "rewarding" to just hit 'incubate' for 365 days straight. And to be fair, it would be pretty difficult to implement any new feature where older players didn't have a leg up in some way. The same argument could be made against Swipp, Baldwin, and Roundsey who cater to users who already have hoards of extra items and treasure.
5.) I mean it's still impossible to completely customize any dragon, since you can't change their flight/eye color, gender, measurements, hatchday/age, ID#, and often to a reasonable extent their parents and offspring. Not to mention all the non-linebreaking genes that are not yet available for every breed.
3) If everyone starts with one egg and contributions bump up the number towards the max of 5, then how is that judged? A meter? The worth of the items? Does the nest need to incubate longer if there are more eggs in it? Is there a system in place where you can just hatch the one egg, or are you forced to work towards maxing the nest? If you can hatch before that max, what's the nest cooldown? If it's going to take a long time and take a lot of contribution, what's the scaling factor? I think there's just too much to think about when it comes to something like this, tbh.
4) Would it be randomized? Would it be a list of items that you have to donate, or would you be able to re-roll what she's asking for? The way to "equalize" this sort of thing between new and old players is to make everyone start from the same place, but that's not always possible. Anything item based is going to be weighted, ofc, and adding a new item will eventually become weighted.
5) It's incredibly disingenuous to compare our conversation about
breeds to stuff like
measurements and
hatchday. Like, of course you can't change what day a dragon is hatched. Come on, man. We're talking about breeds, which have ALWAYS been something you can change with the singular exception. And we should NOT have any more breeds that are limited as the Nocturne, in my opinion.
Almost nothing that's been listed in this thread sounds fun or engaging, imo, and feels like it's just making something difficult when it doesn't have to be.
I've already made my point as has everyone else, but I think it's also worth noting that new breeds are massive updates that demand an incredible amount of time and work on staff's end. Putting so much effort into content that most players won't care enough to slog through is an absurd decision, and this proposal would get thrown out on that basis. Development efforts would be better suited on more attainable updates that your casual, "average Joe" player would enjoy.
I've already made my point as has everyone else, but I think it's also worth noting that new breeds are massive updates that demand an incredible amount of time and work on staff's end. Putting so much effort into content that most players won't care enough to slog through is an absurd decision, and this proposal would get thrown out on that basis. Development efforts would be better suited on more attainable updates that your casual, "average Joe" player would enjoy.
[quote name="Uva" date="2024-11-19 13:07:19" ]
Not sure if someone already said this, but what if it's a community effort to hatch the egg? Maybe it's a new NPC in the trading post, a new daily or something.
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I'm not against the idea, actually! Reminds me of dustcarve and unfathomable Odyssey! I love big group events that gets the community together for a shared goal
Uva wrote on 2024-11-19 13:07:19:
Not sure if someone already said this, but what if it's a community effort to hatch the egg? Maybe it's a new NPC in the trading post, a new daily or something.
I'm not against the idea, actually! Reminds me of dustcarve and unfathomable Odyssey! I love big group events that gets the community together for a shared goal
