Granted.
Heh, though apparently we're all supposed to have eagle vision based on the current captchas anyway.
But given all the site resources available: Guides and actually googling "flight rising wiki silk" will give you everything and that everything's just a recolor, once you know one silk veil, you know them all. I see nothing particularly wrong with a trivia hunt, bots can't look up and connect trivia, a human can. By that logic I think, we couldn't ask for specific breeds, "What if X player has never seen a hatchling SD?" Some reasonable competency should be assumed/ expected just because of context.
From the backend reading I was doing, the reCAPTCHA will keep flashing up new images to "check" against the database it's given. Though I haven't read until what point it stops. and declares the tester as "failing" at being human.
So if a person clicks Verify, but hasn't spotted all of the cars and leaves one, the program will give new images that have already been successfully identified as "cars" by previous people using the captcha. reCAPTCHA uses machine learning, so I think that also would solve the "but the colorblind!" issue, since if there are enough of them to make a dent in the algorithms (or that one item gets reliably tagged 'wrong' against what the database says it should be) reCAPTCHA appears to go with mass agreement and in which case, it's less a matter that the Windbound Plumage and Sanguine Plumage are recolors, but then it'll ask players to indirectly recognize what "right" category is:
majority dark. Falls into "Wind Flight" category.
majority light. Falls into "Joxar's Inventory" category.
At the very least, while their colors may give trouble, but possibly not as much as you think, because there's a difference in relative contrast, not simply of hue (I'd love a RG-issue person to check on that though).
The simple way around that is to not mass-upload the item/apparel/familiar/dragon data base at once. The staff could probably upload sets of items to fall within whatever criteria they wanted (Elemental Flight, Apparel Sets, Dragon Breeds, but something concrete is the key! Not idiocy like, "Identify the Dragon Aequorin spotlighted two threads ago". That's the 'lore-level' crap that'd be a no-go for me. And since there's a guide for Tomo, that the admins are okay with, I'm pretty sure if anyone got stuck on "ultimate plague weapon??" It'd be easy enough to make a guide thread to reference the categories in a reCAPTCHA that would work too) then tell the reCAPTCHA to use everything else as filler.
Between setting the paramaters right at the beginning and then letting the algorithms 'learn' with intereaction, it should make a fairly smooth bot detection process. But seriously, I'll take having to click an extra image until the detector is sure rather than play 'identify the maybe not a dragon blob' we're currently doing. I think just having discrete and clear things to click on would be worlds better.
....... This got wordier than expected. But anyway, I think in the use of a reCAPTCHA system there wouldn't be as much of an issue, if any, about color-blindness issues compared to the current captcha. Each item would be oriented right side up, on a clear field and because a category is given everyone would at least know what they're looking for right off the bat.
The examples I gave are basically only if the staff here deciedes to make an internal captcha, like they already did. And we all know how that's turning out. To be fair, they're human and can't think of everything, but well... how many months has it been with no sign of fixes?
Personally, we'd ALL be much better off if they went ahead and just used Google's version.
Not FR-content, even a little in the explanation of reCAPTCHA v2 here: https://support.google.com/recaptcha/?hl=en It even has audio support built right in.
Heh, though apparently we're all supposed to have eagle vision based on the current captchas anyway.
But given all the site resources available: Guides and actually googling "flight rising wiki silk" will give you everything and that everything's just a recolor, once you know one silk veil, you know them all. I see nothing particularly wrong with a trivia hunt, bots can't look up and connect trivia, a human can. By that logic I think, we couldn't ask for specific breeds, "What if X player has never seen a hatchling SD?" Some reasonable competency should be assumed/ expected just because of context.
From the backend reading I was doing, the reCAPTCHA will keep flashing up new images to "check" against the database it's given. Though I haven't read until what point it stops. and declares the tester as "failing" at being human.
So if a person clicks Verify, but hasn't spotted all of the cars and leaves one, the program will give new images that have already been successfully identified as "cars" by previous people using the captcha. reCAPTCHA uses machine learning, so I think that also would solve the "but the colorblind!" issue, since if there are enough of them to make a dent in the algorithms (or that one item gets reliably tagged 'wrong' against what the database says it should be) reCAPTCHA appears to go with mass agreement and in which case, it's less a matter that the Windbound Plumage and Sanguine Plumage are recolors, but then it'll ask players to indirectly recognize what "right" category is:
majority dark. Falls into "Wind Flight" category.
majority light. Falls into "Joxar's Inventory" category.
At the very least, while their colors may give trouble, but possibly not as much as you think, because there's a difference in relative contrast, not simply of hue (I'd love a RG-issue person to check on that though).
The simple way around that is to not mass-upload the item/apparel/familiar/dragon data base at once. The staff could probably upload sets of items to fall within whatever criteria they wanted (Elemental Flight, Apparel Sets, Dragon Breeds, but something concrete is the key! Not idiocy like, "Identify the Dragon Aequorin spotlighted two threads ago". That's the 'lore-level' crap that'd be a no-go for me. And since there's a guide for Tomo, that the admins are okay with, I'm pretty sure if anyone got stuck on "ultimate plague weapon??" It'd be easy enough to make a guide thread to reference the categories in a reCAPTCHA that would work too) then tell the reCAPTCHA to use everything else as filler.
https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/old/docs/customization wrote:
Once you've successfully installed reCAPTCHA on your site, you may want to change the way it looks. This page explains: (1) how to choose one of the standard reCAPTCHA themes; (2) how to fully customize the appearance of reCAPTCHA; and (3) how to internationalize reCAPTCHA by changing the language of the Widget.
Between setting the paramaters right at the beginning and then letting the algorithms 'learn' with intereaction, it should make a fairly smooth bot detection process. But seriously, I'll take having to click an extra image until the detector is sure rather than play 'identify the maybe not a dragon blob' we're currently doing. I think just having discrete and clear things to click on would be worlds better.
....... This got wordier than expected. But anyway, I think in the use of a reCAPTCHA system there wouldn't be as much of an issue, if any, about color-blindness issues compared to the current captcha. Each item would be oriented right side up, on a clear field and because a category is given everyone would at least know what they're looking for right off the bat.
The examples I gave are basically only if the staff here deciedes to make an internal captcha, like they already did. And we all know how that's turning out. To be fair, they're human and can't think of everything, but well... how many months has it been with no sign of fixes?
Personally, we'd ALL be much better off if they went ahead and just used Google's version.
Not FR-content, even a little in the explanation of reCAPTCHA v2 here: https://support.google.com/recaptcha/?hl=en It even has audio support built right in.