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Just for reference: Raising exalt rates is not a particularly intensive programming change. It's far easier than implementing the system described in this thread.
Just for reference: Raising exalt rates is not a particularly intensive programming change. It's far easier than implementing the system described in this thread.
The reality is this idea is a good one (and maybe better than exalting since many refuse to use that system in the first place. no im not one of em but i know many). Fact is its a GAME it should be FUN not a job. the economy is a mess and there is a huge treasure shortage for 75% of the userbase. Lairs are overfull and that more than anything freezes buying.
Exalting is fine if its overhauled but i just dont see that happening anytime soon and ill be honest if they wanted to raise the exalting floor it would be done already. heck they cut payouts in fairgrounds recently AGAIN. im sorry but with the grind forced to buy anything atm and gem scrolls rising to stupid levels..this game isnt fun anymore and i notice more and more 0 energy lairs..I wonder why..because its not fun anymore and there is a need for changes like this one.
Exalting is fine if its overhauled but i just dont see that happening anytime soon and ill be honest if they wanted to raise the exalting floor it would be done already. heck they cut payouts in fairgrounds recently AGAIN. im sorry but with the grind forced to buy anything atm and gem scrolls rising to stupid levels..this game isnt fun anymore and i notice more and more 0 energy lairs..I wonder why..because its not fun anymore and there is a need for changes like this one.
The reality is this idea is a good one (and maybe better than exalting since many refuse to use that system in the first place. no im not one of em but i know many). Fact is its a GAME it should be FUN not a job. the economy is a mess and there is a huge treasure shortage for 75% of the userbase. Lairs are overfull and that more than anything freezes buying.
Exalting is fine if its overhauled but i just dont see that happening anytime soon and ill be honest if they wanted to raise the exalting floor it would be done already. heck they cut payouts in fairgrounds recently AGAIN. im sorry but with the grind forced to buy anything atm and gem scrolls rising to stupid levels..this game isnt fun anymore and i notice more and more 0 energy lairs..I wonder why..because its not fun anymore and there is a need for changes like this one.
Exalting is fine if its overhauled but i just dont see that happening anytime soon and ill be honest if they wanted to raise the exalting floor it would be done already. heck they cut payouts in fairgrounds recently AGAIN. im sorry but with the grind forced to buy anything atm and gem scrolls rising to stupid levels..this game isnt fun anymore and i notice more and more 0 energy lairs..I wonder why..because its not fun anymore and there is a need for changes like this one.
@Anakha I can't afford to do digging every five turns. I struggle to keep my food levels high enough to feed my dragons! I'm glad that you can make enough money doing things, but I can't!
@FortunaDraken The thing about playing a game is that it shouldn't have to feel like work to begin with. If I have to work several hours a day to make the 75k cap, and get no pleasure out of the journey getting there, why should I bother at all? Shouldn't games relieve stress from work rather than add onto it? It's like trudging through an RPG game just to finish the game. Is that fun? Would you want to play it anymore, knowing that you're be coming back to the same thing every time you turn it on?
On top of that, you're only talking about people who don't want to play Coliseum/Fairgrounds just because they don't want to. Why would you completely ignore the people that are completely incapable of doing so? What about people who can't devote 2-3 solid, straight hours of play to make the 75k limit? What alternatives could be made for people who joined this game to make pretty dragons, but because there's so few ways to make money other than to spend HOURS and HOURS of your time just SLOWLY building up reserves? It's not a fun process! And a game that isn't fun is not worth playing!
The point here is, you're not supposed to be driving away your players with an incomplete system that barely even works beyond the beginning of the game. It may take months, maybe the rest of this year to get new features in that will give out money. Do you really expect people to dwindle around, letting their accounts and gorgeous dragon-making dreams vegetate because they are either not having fun, or are incapable of doing, with the Fairgames and Coliseum grinding? Really, dragon breeding is, at current, the only way people CAN achieve the goal of this site, because that's what paid even a fraction of the price you paid for a PC scroll or a Stripes gene. I'd like everyone to have the same opportunities you two have, y'know?
All in all, patience is key in this situation, but when the road there is going to take a portion of the year, it becomes incredibly daunting. Artificial or not, making a quick and higher price floor would help out newer players trying to sell THEIR own dragons and it would also help older players who may otherwise not be able to make more than a pretty penny anyway. I mean, the script could be removed at a later date anyhow. It's not a permanent solution, nor is it the long-term one. I mean hell, even keeping it at a steady 4-5k would make me a happy camper.
@FortunaDraken The thing about playing a game is that it shouldn't have to feel like work to begin with. If I have to work several hours a day to make the 75k cap, and get no pleasure out of the journey getting there, why should I bother at all? Shouldn't games relieve stress from work rather than add onto it? It's like trudging through an RPG game just to finish the game. Is that fun? Would you want to play it anymore, knowing that you're be coming back to the same thing every time you turn it on?
On top of that, you're only talking about people who don't want to play Coliseum/Fairgrounds just because they don't want to. Why would you completely ignore the people that are completely incapable of doing so? What about people who can't devote 2-3 solid, straight hours of play to make the 75k limit? What alternatives could be made for people who joined this game to make pretty dragons, but because there's so few ways to make money other than to spend HOURS and HOURS of your time just SLOWLY building up reserves? It's not a fun process! And a game that isn't fun is not worth playing!
The point here is, you're not supposed to be driving away your players with an incomplete system that barely even works beyond the beginning of the game. It may take months, maybe the rest of this year to get new features in that will give out money. Do you really expect people to dwindle around, letting their accounts and gorgeous dragon-making dreams vegetate because they are either not having fun, or are incapable of doing, with the Fairgames and Coliseum grinding? Really, dragon breeding is, at current, the only way people CAN achieve the goal of this site, because that's what paid even a fraction of the price you paid for a PC scroll or a Stripes gene. I'd like everyone to have the same opportunities you two have, y'know?
All in all, patience is key in this situation, but when the road there is going to take a portion of the year, it becomes incredibly daunting. Artificial or not, making a quick and higher price floor would help out newer players trying to sell THEIR own dragons and it would also help older players who may otherwise not be able to make more than a pretty penny anyway. I mean, the script could be removed at a later date anyhow. It's not a permanent solution, nor is it the long-term one. I mean hell, even keeping it at a steady 4-5k would make me a happy camper.
@Anakha I can't afford to do digging every five turns. I struggle to keep my food levels high enough to feed my dragons! I'm glad that you can make enough money doing things, but I can't!
@FortunaDraken The thing about playing a game is that it shouldn't have to feel like work to begin with. If I have to work several hours a day to make the 75k cap, and get no pleasure out of the journey getting there, why should I bother at all? Shouldn't games relieve stress from work rather than add onto it? It's like trudging through an RPG game just to finish the game. Is that fun? Would you want to play it anymore, knowing that you're be coming back to the same thing every time you turn it on?
On top of that, you're only talking about people who don't want to play Coliseum/Fairgrounds just because they don't want to. Why would you completely ignore the people that are completely incapable of doing so? What about people who can't devote 2-3 solid, straight hours of play to make the 75k limit? What alternatives could be made for people who joined this game to make pretty dragons, but because there's so few ways to make money other than to spend HOURS and HOURS of your time just SLOWLY building up reserves? It's not a fun process! And a game that isn't fun is not worth playing!
The point here is, you're not supposed to be driving away your players with an incomplete system that barely even works beyond the beginning of the game. It may take months, maybe the rest of this year to get new features in that will give out money. Do you really expect people to dwindle around, letting their accounts and gorgeous dragon-making dreams vegetate because they are either not having fun, or are incapable of doing, with the Fairgames and Coliseum grinding? Really, dragon breeding is, at current, the only way people CAN achieve the goal of this site, because that's what paid even a fraction of the price you paid for a PC scroll or a Stripes gene. I'd like everyone to have the same opportunities you two have, y'know?
All in all, patience is key in this situation, but when the road there is going to take a portion of the year, it becomes incredibly daunting. Artificial or not, making a quick and higher price floor would help out newer players trying to sell THEIR own dragons and it would also help older players who may otherwise not be able to make more than a pretty penny anyway. I mean, the script could be removed at a later date anyhow. It's not a permanent solution, nor is it the long-term one. I mean hell, even keeping it at a steady 4-5k would make me a happy camper.
@FortunaDraken The thing about playing a game is that it shouldn't have to feel like work to begin with. If I have to work several hours a day to make the 75k cap, and get no pleasure out of the journey getting there, why should I bother at all? Shouldn't games relieve stress from work rather than add onto it? It's like trudging through an RPG game just to finish the game. Is that fun? Would you want to play it anymore, knowing that you're be coming back to the same thing every time you turn it on?
On top of that, you're only talking about people who don't want to play Coliseum/Fairgrounds just because they don't want to. Why would you completely ignore the people that are completely incapable of doing so? What about people who can't devote 2-3 solid, straight hours of play to make the 75k limit? What alternatives could be made for people who joined this game to make pretty dragons, but because there's so few ways to make money other than to spend HOURS and HOURS of your time just SLOWLY building up reserves? It's not a fun process! And a game that isn't fun is not worth playing!
The point here is, you're not supposed to be driving away your players with an incomplete system that barely even works beyond the beginning of the game. It may take months, maybe the rest of this year to get new features in that will give out money. Do you really expect people to dwindle around, letting their accounts and gorgeous dragon-making dreams vegetate because they are either not having fun, or are incapable of doing, with the Fairgames and Coliseum grinding? Really, dragon breeding is, at current, the only way people CAN achieve the goal of this site, because that's what paid even a fraction of the price you paid for a PC scroll or a Stripes gene. I'd like everyone to have the same opportunities you two have, y'know?
All in all, patience is key in this situation, but when the road there is going to take a portion of the year, it becomes incredibly daunting. Artificial or not, making a quick and higher price floor would help out newer players trying to sell THEIR own dragons and it would also help older players who may otherwise not be able to make more than a pretty penny anyway. I mean, the script could be removed at a later date anyhow. It's not a permanent solution, nor is it the long-term one. I mean hell, even keeping it at a steady 4-5k would make me a happy camper.
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@Sevi: I do five digs a day. Then I gather food. From five turns on meat and insects, I make back about three times as much as they eat. It's not that you can't make money--it's that you're not making a fortune in a small space of time.
Also, to what you're saying to FortunaDraken: then leave. Because you're bored and want a solution RIGHT NOW, instead of listening to the very, very big flaws in this suggestion. We wouldn't be here if not for people NEEDING to get X pretty thing RIGHT NOW!!!!!! This solution will only raise the cap and make exalting worthless. And then we still have dragons flooding the system and forums being flooded further, etc. The plan hinges on people choosing to price below what the known cap would be on the program. Which I am betting they wouldn't.
Also, to what you're saying to FortunaDraken: then leave. Because you're bored and want a solution RIGHT NOW, instead of listening to the very, very big flaws in this suggestion. We wouldn't be here if not for people NEEDING to get X pretty thing RIGHT NOW!!!!!! This solution will only raise the cap and make exalting worthless. And then we still have dragons flooding the system and forums being flooded further, etc. The plan hinges on people choosing to price below what the known cap would be on the program. Which I am betting they wouldn't.
@Sevi: I do five digs a day. Then I gather food. From five turns on meat and insects, I make back about three times as much as they eat. It's not that you can't make money--it's that you're not making a fortune in a small space of time.
Also, to what you're saying to FortunaDraken: then leave. Because you're bored and want a solution RIGHT NOW, instead of listening to the very, very big flaws in this suggestion. We wouldn't be here if not for people NEEDING to get X pretty thing RIGHT NOW!!!!!! This solution will only raise the cap and make exalting worthless. And then we still have dragons flooding the system and forums being flooded further, etc. The plan hinges on people choosing to price below what the known cap would be on the program. Which I am betting they wouldn't.
Also, to what you're saying to FortunaDraken: then leave. Because you're bored and want a solution RIGHT NOW, instead of listening to the very, very big flaws in this suggestion. We wouldn't be here if not for people NEEDING to get X pretty thing RIGHT NOW!!!!!! This solution will only raise the cap and make exalting worthless. And then we still have dragons flooding the system and forums being flooded further, etc. The plan hinges on people choosing to price below what the known cap would be on the program. Which I am betting they wouldn't.
The bottom line is, this proposal won't actually do anything towards solving the problems the people who are supporting it are actually having. It won't give you more money. It will give you LESS money as it forces artificial inflation that prices you out of everything.
If you can't make money at a comfortable rate right now, then this proposal will absolutely cripple you. It will raise the price floor on dragons, but it is a fount with no sink, no matter how temporary. The inflation it causes will not be temporary. It will damage the market irreparably.
I'm confused by so many people's insistence that undercutting is the cause of market stagnation. That's not... how economics work at all. I don't know how else to express this without sounding mean and that's not what I want to do at all.
If you can't make money at a comfortable rate right now, then this proposal will absolutely cripple you. It will raise the price floor on dragons, but it is a fount with no sink, no matter how temporary. The inflation it causes will not be temporary. It will damage the market irreparably.
I'm confused by so many people's insistence that undercutting is the cause of market stagnation. That's not... how economics work at all. I don't know how else to express this without sounding mean and that's not what I want to do at all.
The bottom line is, this proposal won't actually do anything towards solving the problems the people who are supporting it are actually having. It won't give you more money. It will give you LESS money as it forces artificial inflation that prices you out of everything.
If you can't make money at a comfortable rate right now, then this proposal will absolutely cripple you. It will raise the price floor on dragons, but it is a fount with no sink, no matter how temporary. The inflation it causes will not be temporary. It will damage the market irreparably.
I'm confused by so many people's insistence that undercutting is the cause of market stagnation. That's not... how economics work at all. I don't know how else to express this without sounding mean and that's not what I want to do at all.
If you can't make money at a comfortable rate right now, then this proposal will absolutely cripple you. It will raise the price floor on dragons, but it is a fount with no sink, no matter how temporary. The inflation it causes will not be temporary. It will damage the market irreparably.
I'm confused by so many people's insistence that undercutting is the cause of market stagnation. That's not... how economics work at all. I don't know how else to express this without sounding mean and that's not what I want to do at all.
@Sevi
[quote]The thing about playing a game is that it shouldn't have to feel like work to begin with. If I have to work several hours a day to make the 75k cap, and get no pleasure out of the journey getting there, why should I bother at all? Shouldn't games relieve stress from work rather than add onto it? It's like trudging through an RPG game just to finish the game. Is that fun? Would you want to play it anymore, knowing that you're be coming back to the same thing every time you turn it on?[/quote]
Exactly what Anakha said: leave. If a game isn't fun, stop playing it. Nothing's making you play, so stop playing. If a person isn't having fun, nothing is making them continue playing. Go away until things are different.
[quote]Do you really expect people to dwindle around, letting their accounts and gorgeous dragon-making dreams vegetate because they are either not having fun, or are incapable of doing, with the Fairgames and Coliseum grinding?[/quote]
Yes, yes I do. Because if they're not having fun but are determined to stay, they have to deal with what happens. Ever been in a game in beta? You have to wait with a terrible game while developers work to make it better. Right now the Admins are working towards making the game less buggy, which is THE most important thing right now. If things are a long way away and people want to wait until then, just gather food and feed your dragons, then don't do anything else until stuff is implemented. You said it yourself, patience is the key. So be patient.
[quote]I mean hell, even keeping it at a steady 4-5k would make me a happy camper.[/quote]
Here's a novel idea. Wait 5 days, go spend 2 minutes in the Coliseum levelling up to level 3, exalt. There's your 5k.
@Sevi
Exactly what Anakha said: leave. If a game isn't fun, stop playing it. Nothing's making you play, so stop playing. If a person isn't having fun, nothing is making them continue playing. Go away until things are different.
Yes, yes I do. Because if they're not having fun but are determined to stay, they have to deal with what happens. Ever been in a game in beta? You have to wait with a terrible game while developers work to make it better. Right now the Admins are working towards making the game less buggy, which is THE most important thing right now. If things are a long way away and people want to wait until then, just gather food and feed your dragons, then don't do anything else until stuff is implemented. You said it yourself, patience is the key. So be patient.
Here's a novel idea. Wait 5 days, go spend 2 minutes in the Coliseum levelling up to level 3, exalt. There's your 5k.
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The thing about playing a game is that it shouldn't have to feel like work to begin with. If I have to work several hours a day to make the 75k cap, and get no pleasure out of the journey getting there, why should I bother at all? Shouldn't games relieve stress from work rather than add onto it? It's like trudging through an RPG game just to finish the game. Is that fun? Would you want to play it anymore, knowing that you're be coming back to the same thing every time you turn it on?
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Do you really expect people to dwindle around, letting their accounts and gorgeous dragon-making dreams vegetate because they are either not having fun, or are incapable of doing, with the Fairgames and Coliseum grinding?
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I mean hell, even keeping it at a steady 4-5k would make me a happy camper.
There is still no reason to have a short term fix for a long term problem. I'm pretty sure I've said this before a few pages back. No time should be spent on writing a script to do this because that time could be spent actually revamping the system, or something else that's actually a larger problem.
There is nothing wrong with exalting dragons. In fact, exalting dragons actually gets you a fair amount of treasure. If you have grinding dragons, use two of them to boost your exalt fodder. It takes not even an hour with lv 16 dragons with the 4 str ratio, speedboost and rally to boost a lv 1 adult to lv 5. That's roughly 8k.
Undercutting could never lead to an economical stagnation. Undercutting is actually what drives people to buy. It's the fact that the majority of FR has a problem with exalting that this becomes an issue. They're too busy moaning about how long it takes to save up for that 1 mil lair expansion and the fact that 'oh no, my Imps won't sell for a buttload anymore oh no,' while complaining about the dropping prices.
There are two ways to go about it.
You flood users with treasure. (Bull, because some of us are working hard to save up treasure, no one deserves a free ride aside from user to user charity, which is higher on FR than on any other website I've been on, but it's still really *****).
Or
Exalt your iffy dragons and get off of your high horse. Exalting isn't bad.
Also yeah, people who don't have fun playing the game should just leave. And you know what, I don't care if they leave a bunch of beautiful dragons starving in their lairs. Good for them, that means less dragons that people complain about not selling.
There is nothing wrong with exalting dragons. In fact, exalting dragons actually gets you a fair amount of treasure. If you have grinding dragons, use two of them to boost your exalt fodder. It takes not even an hour with lv 16 dragons with the 4 str ratio, speedboost and rally to boost a lv 1 adult to lv 5. That's roughly 8k.
Undercutting could never lead to an economical stagnation. Undercutting is actually what drives people to buy. It's the fact that the majority of FR has a problem with exalting that this becomes an issue. They're too busy moaning about how long it takes to save up for that 1 mil lair expansion and the fact that 'oh no, my Imps won't sell for a buttload anymore oh no,' while complaining about the dropping prices.
There are two ways to go about it.
You flood users with treasure. (Bull, because some of us are working hard to save up treasure, no one deserves a free ride aside from user to user charity, which is higher on FR than on any other website I've been on, but it's still really *****).
Or
Exalt your iffy dragons and get off of your high horse. Exalting isn't bad.
Also yeah, people who don't have fun playing the game should just leave. And you know what, I don't care if they leave a bunch of beautiful dragons starving in their lairs. Good for them, that means less dragons that people complain about not selling.
There is still no reason to have a short term fix for a long term problem. I'm pretty sure I've said this before a few pages back. No time should be spent on writing a script to do this because that time could be spent actually revamping the system, or something else that's actually a larger problem.
There is nothing wrong with exalting dragons. In fact, exalting dragons actually gets you a fair amount of treasure. If you have grinding dragons, use two of them to boost your exalt fodder. It takes not even an hour with lv 16 dragons with the 4 str ratio, speedboost and rally to boost a lv 1 adult to lv 5. That's roughly 8k.
Undercutting could never lead to an economical stagnation. Undercutting is actually what drives people to buy. It's the fact that the majority of FR has a problem with exalting that this becomes an issue. They're too busy moaning about how long it takes to save up for that 1 mil lair expansion and the fact that 'oh no, my Imps won't sell for a buttload anymore oh no,' while complaining about the dropping prices.
There are two ways to go about it.
You flood users with treasure. (Bull, because some of us are working hard to save up treasure, no one deserves a free ride aside from user to user charity, which is higher on FR than on any other website I've been on, but it's still really *****).
Or
Exalt your iffy dragons and get off of your high horse. Exalting isn't bad.
Also yeah, people who don't have fun playing the game should just leave. And you know what, I don't care if they leave a bunch of beautiful dragons starving in their lairs. Good for them, that means less dragons that people complain about not selling.
There is nothing wrong with exalting dragons. In fact, exalting dragons actually gets you a fair amount of treasure. If you have grinding dragons, use two of them to boost your exalt fodder. It takes not even an hour with lv 16 dragons with the 4 str ratio, speedboost and rally to boost a lv 1 adult to lv 5. That's roughly 8k.
Undercutting could never lead to an economical stagnation. Undercutting is actually what drives people to buy. It's the fact that the majority of FR has a problem with exalting that this becomes an issue. They're too busy moaning about how long it takes to save up for that 1 mil lair expansion and the fact that 'oh no, my Imps won't sell for a buttload anymore oh no,' while complaining about the dropping prices.
There are two ways to go about it.
You flood users with treasure. (Bull, because some of us are working hard to save up treasure, no one deserves a free ride aside from user to user charity, which is higher on FR than on any other website I've been on, but it's still really *****).
Or
Exalt your iffy dragons and get off of your high horse. Exalting isn't bad.
Also yeah, people who don't have fun playing the game should just leave. And you know what, I don't care if they leave a bunch of beautiful dragons starving in their lairs. Good for them, that means less dragons that people complain about not selling.
[quote name="Kalaina" date="2013-10-12 09:15:54"]Just for reference: Raising exalt rates is not a particularly intensive programming change. It's far easier than implementing the system described in this thread.[/quote]
There is honestly nothing wrong with exalt tiers.
You already get a rather substantial award for putting your dragons into that dragon sink.
It isn't anyone's fault but the user's that they can't sell their expensive dragons for outrageous prices.
People are breeding [i]a lot[/i] of Imperials and Skydancers. Why? Because a lot of users think they're pretty and they were at one point incredibly rare, but now they exceed Wildclaws in numbers both on the site and on the AH.
No one is willing to just let go of something that used to be so expensive, but the truth is nothing will bring the prices back up until there are [i]less[/i] of them in existence. So how can there be a lower number of Imps and SDs? [i]People stop breeding them so much[/i].
Will anyone ever stop breeding their Imps or SDs? Probably not. This is Flight Rising, and the majority of its users feel self entitled to a price that reflects a rare dragon, and while the breed may be categorized as rare, it most certainly, population-wise, is not.
Kalaina wrote on 2013-10-12 09:15:54:
Just for reference: Raising exalt rates is not a particularly intensive programming change. It's far easier than implementing the system described in this thread.
There is honestly nothing wrong with exalt tiers.
You already get a rather substantial award for putting your dragons into that dragon sink.
It isn't anyone's fault but the user's that they can't sell their expensive dragons for outrageous prices.
People are breeding a lot of Imperials and Skydancers. Why? Because a lot of users think they're pretty and they were at one point incredibly rare, but now they exceed Wildclaws in numbers both on the site and on the AH.
No one is willing to just let go of something that used to be so expensive, but the truth is nothing will bring the prices back up until there are less of them in existence. So how can there be a lower number of Imps and SDs? People stop breeding them so much.
Will anyone ever stop breeding their Imps or SDs? Probably not. This is Flight Rising, and the majority of its users feel self entitled to a price that reflects a rare dragon, and while the breed may be categorized as rare, it most certainly, population-wise, is not.
it's been really nice to read this thread go from a circle jerk of 'yes do this, put on the bandiad!' to people who understand how an economy works going 'this is going to ruin the economy and this is a stupid idea'. It gives me hope for the FR community which from what I've seen are super impatient and realllly self entitled.
it's been really nice to read this thread go from a circle jerk of 'yes do this, put on the bandiad!' to people who understand how an economy works going 'this is going to ruin the economy and this is a stupid idea'. It gives me hope for the FR community which from what I've seen are super impatient and realllly self entitled.
