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TOPIC | Night of the Nocturne 2024
@GODHEX
All the totals were in private mails, that I don't think I physically can find without filters as my mailbox is exploding. Way over 100,000 chests have been opened, we only counted eggs, nothing else. Ratio was ~8.5% which is a decrease compared to 2 years ago, as wasn't it something around 10%? Correct me if I am wrong.
I got hurt very badly (economically) personally because of the stealth nerf, as, I kept trading thinking it's the same drop rating as before, and ended up losing a LOT of money, as it took a while to accumulate a lot of chests and do the numbers.

I completely do not mind them adjusting the ratio at all, just please post some tiny dev post that "hey, we feel eggs were a bit too common in the chests, so we decided to try decreasing from X% to Y%".
Just to clarify - the drop rate nerf didn't happen this year (in case that part was missed). It happened last year.

I am sorry if I did end up sounding like I am starting a fight, that was not my intention. I only ask for staff transparency and communication, I am VERY understanding, and just need data to know how to adjust. I know many people would have gotten upset and probably had caused a ruckus in the forums because of the decrease, but I still think that would have been much better than people discovering it in the bad way themselves.

A fun fact - when you open this many chests, funny things can happen. I believe a record of eggs found in a single 10 chests click was 8 eggs :D Absolute bonkers!
Oh yeah, about the grinding glitch... This one sadly I myself really know nothing about from experience. Just talked to a bunch of peeps who were going HUH??? Unfortunately, it was not possible to replicate it, so this glitch indeed might not exist, and was just a big coincidence. I am sorry if I stepped out of line mentioning this before being 100,000 chest amount of sure... Tho if I were to grind, I would still superstitiously refresh if drops seem odd for a while xD
And really sorry about taking so long to reply! I was trying to think really carefully how to answer properly, hopefully not sounding anyhow aggressive, angry, or any other negativity. If this conversation is not okay on the forums, we can move it to PMs :)
@GODHEX
All the totals were in private mails, that I don't think I physically can find without filters as my mailbox is exploding. Way over 100,000 chests have been opened, we only counted eggs, nothing else. Ratio was ~8.5% which is a decrease compared to 2 years ago, as wasn't it something around 10%? Correct me if I am wrong.
I got hurt very badly (economically) personally because of the stealth nerf, as, I kept trading thinking it's the same drop rating as before, and ended up losing a LOT of money, as it took a while to accumulate a lot of chests and do the numbers.

I completely do not mind them adjusting the ratio at all, just please post some tiny dev post that "hey, we feel eggs were a bit too common in the chests, so we decided to try decreasing from X% to Y%".
Just to clarify - the drop rate nerf didn't happen this year (in case that part was missed). It happened last year.

I am sorry if I did end up sounding like I am starting a fight, that was not my intention. I only ask for staff transparency and communication, I am VERY understanding, and just need data to know how to adjust. I know many people would have gotten upset and probably had caused a ruckus in the forums because of the decrease, but I still think that would have been much better than people discovering it in the bad way themselves.

A fun fact - when you open this many chests, funny things can happen. I believe a record of eggs found in a single 10 chests click was 8 eggs :D Absolute bonkers!
Oh yeah, about the grinding glitch... This one sadly I myself really know nothing about from experience. Just talked to a bunch of peeps who were going HUH??? Unfortunately, it was not possible to replicate it, so this glitch indeed might not exist, and was just a big coincidence. I am sorry if I stepped out of line mentioning this before being 100,000 chest amount of sure... Tho if I were to grind, I would still superstitiously refresh if drops seem odd for a while xD
And really sorry about taking so long to reply! I was trying to think really carefully how to answer properly, hopefully not sounding anyhow aggressive, angry, or any other negativity. If this conversation is not okay on the forums, we can move it to PMs :)
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@Mahogi okay, it seems at some point there was a misunderstanding. the drop rate has not decreased since 2022, where it was lowered from 9% to 8% due to NOTN materials and chests being added to various other site activities and for trades being made available 24/7 through higgins, [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/3194386/5#post_52979508]as per this comment from Undel[/url]. [quote name="Undel" date="2022-12-18 13:19:06" ] For balancing purposes, it was reduced to 8% due to all NotN materials now being able to be converted to chests all the time. The change in those trades being available at all time will create a not insignificant bump in the amount of chests players can earn. There are also 10 new notn coliseum enemies and the small bump of Arlo being able to award items by mustering. It’s probably still going to work out that there will be more eggs in circulation this year when compared to last, but we made the small change rather than a large one because we’d rather err on the side of players getting too much! For those reporting 5%, that is unfortunately the rng at work. I hope you get more lucky drops in the future! [/quote] you're reporting over the stated 8%, so your RNG has been very good. as far from what i can find, 10% hasn't been the case in many years (i've been seeing a general consensus of 9% since 2019 until this change in 2022).
@Mahogi
okay, it seems at some point there was a misunderstanding.

the drop rate has not decreased since 2022, where it was lowered from 9% to 8% due to NOTN materials and chests being added to various other site activities and for trades being made available 24/7 through higgins, as per this comment from Undel.
Undel wrote on 2022-12-18 13:19:06:
For balancing purposes, it was reduced to 8% due to all NotN materials now being able to be converted to chests all the time. The change in those trades being available at all time will create a not insignificant bump in the amount of chests players can earn. There are also 10 new notn coliseum enemies and the small bump of Arlo being able to award items by mustering.

It’s probably still going to work out that there will be more eggs in circulation this year when compared to last, but we made the small change rather than a large one because we’d rather err on the side of players getting too much!

For those reporting 5%, that is unfortunately the rng at work. I hope you get more lucky drops in the future!

you're reporting over the stated 8%, so your RNG has been very good. as far from what i can find, 10% hasn't been the case in many years (i've been seeing a general consensus of 9% since 2019 until this change in 2022).
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[quote name="GODHEX" date="2025-01-04 13:57:12" ] @/Emylee @/Okinawa @/Shimakay @/kotacase @/Ravenbrained @/a0NRSId apologies if yall don't want to be pinged for this, but it's a common sentiment i see literally every year and it's always proven false. [b]the drop rate has not changed.[/b] people saying it has have not tested whether that claim is true or not. opening 100, 200, 500 chests and getting maybe 6%. 7% of egg drops from that is not a 'gotcha' to staff having 'secretly changed drop rates'. you're still well-within the margin of random chance. this goes for anyone getting 10% or 11% drop rates. random chance can go either way. a more statistically significant amount would [i]begin[/i] around 5,000 chests, and even then you're still likely to be affected by random chance. 10k chests would be a much more reliable show of what the actual current value is. additionally, you would need to run this test multiple times. this isn't getting into the weeds that people who are having bad RNG are more likely to express such, whereas people who are having an average or better RNG won't feel the need to say such. taking all of that into account, there is no evidence to say that the drop rate was changed at all. [quote name="@/Mahogi" date="2025-01-03 08:07:12" ] @/kotacase @/Soph6297 You might have fallen victim to the glitch, where drops in coli become tragic :( People say reloading helped them. I am really sad there is no proper staff announcement addressing this glitch :( [/quote] also idk what this is about here - i have never once seen nor heard of this happening, nor seen any proof of it. [/quote] @GODHEX Definitely not trying to have a "gotcha" to devs. If they wanna do something to the rate, by all means, its their game. However, I'm fully allowed to cry abt it LOL. I was only joking in my complaint anyway, its never that serious. But yeah, hardly any eggs compared to the many years I've been playing prior to this time.
GODHEX wrote on 2025-01-04 13:57:12:
@/Emylee @/Okinawa @/Shimakay @/kotacase @/Ravenbrained @/a0NRSId
apologies if yall don't want to be pinged for this, but it's a common sentiment i see literally every year and it's always proven false.

the drop rate has not changed. people saying it has have not tested whether that claim is true or not.

opening 100, 200, 500 chests and getting maybe 6%. 7% of egg drops from that is not a 'gotcha' to staff having 'secretly changed drop rates'. you're still well-within the margin of random chance. this goes for anyone getting 10% or 11% drop rates. random chance can go either way.

a more statistically significant amount would begin around 5,000 chests, and even then you're still likely to be affected by random chance. 10k chests would be a much more reliable show of what the actual current value is. additionally, you would need to run this test multiple times.

this isn't getting into the weeds that people who are having bad RNG are more likely to express such, whereas people who are having an average or better RNG won't feel the need to say such. taking all of that into account, there is no evidence to say that the drop rate was changed at all.
@/Mahogi wrote on 2025-01-03 08:07:12:
@/kotacase @/Soph6297
You might have fallen victim to the glitch, where drops in coli become tragic :( People say reloading helped them. I am really sad there is no proper staff announcement addressing this glitch :(

also idk what this is about here - i have never once seen nor heard of this happening, nor seen any proof of it.
@GODHEX Definitely not trying to have a "gotcha" to devs. If they wanna do something to the rate, by all means, its their game. However, I'm fully allowed to cry abt it LOL. I was only joking in my complaint anyway, its never that serious. But yeah, hardly any eggs compared to the many years I've been playing prior to this time.
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@GODHEX
Sorry if my memory is hazy and I don't remember exact numbers accurately. I really wanna think it was 8.5 but I really must be misremembering then. And yes, decrease at year 2022 (not 2023), sorry if I was not clear.

It's 2.30 AM and I'm HOPELESSLY DIGGING. I wish FR mail was a nice continuous mail conversation thread(with same person), instead of separate mails trashed around with half the conversation missing. I need filters!!
I managed to find 1 number only 0.0756302521, so 7,56%... Seems 8.5% memory turned out to be 7.5% which could explain why I was so terribly disappointed. Why do I remember 8 being there?.. Too bad like 70% of conversation is missing, so it probably was on discord :(
I wish more decent stuff could be dug out of discord as well like snips/actual printscreens, but with insane spam I have no idea how to even begin searching :|
I AM however getting ready to observe a lot of chests being popped this year, so can tell you more recent numbers if you wish. (but if it's known it's ~8% then I probably won't say anything interesting)
Ooooh this is very interesting data! Thank you for linking me that forum (oof I have read a bit more replies, it looks really rough). I had no idea there was a reply from staff about actual drop rate, I wish it was not a sneaky reply on a forum that only few people will see, but an official post for everyone. Hmm :/ Or was it? As legit almost no one I talk to seems to have heard or seen?
So, it looks there have been 2 decreases if I am not mistaken, when skimming through the replies? First to 9% and then to 8%? I only recently started doing serious NOTN (2021), so sadly have no idea about 2019 drop decrease. Was that one announced publicly, if you have any idea/memory?

I'm sorry if I am making less and less sense. Meds are starting to kill me x.x
@GODHEX
Sorry if my memory is hazy and I don't remember exact numbers accurately. I really wanna think it was 8.5 but I really must be misremembering then. And yes, decrease at year 2022 (not 2023), sorry if I was not clear.

It's 2.30 AM and I'm HOPELESSLY DIGGING. I wish FR mail was a nice continuous mail conversation thread(with same person), instead of separate mails trashed around with half the conversation missing. I need filters!!
I managed to find 1 number only 0.0756302521, so 7,56%... Seems 8.5% memory turned out to be 7.5% which could explain why I was so terribly disappointed. Why do I remember 8 being there?.. Too bad like 70% of conversation is missing, so it probably was on discord :(
I wish more decent stuff could be dug out of discord as well like snips/actual printscreens, but with insane spam I have no idea how to even begin searching :|
I AM however getting ready to observe a lot of chests being popped this year, so can tell you more recent numbers if you wish. (but if it's known it's ~8% then I probably won't say anything interesting)
Ooooh this is very interesting data! Thank you for linking me that forum (oof I have read a bit more replies, it looks really rough). I had no idea there was a reply from staff about actual drop rate, I wish it was not a sneaky reply on a forum that only few people will see, but an official post for everyone. Hmm :/ Or was it? As legit almost no one I talk to seems to have heard or seen?
So, it looks there have been 2 decreases if I am not mistaken, when skimming through the replies? First to 9% and then to 8%? I only recently started doing serious NOTN (2021), so sadly have no idea about 2019 drop decrease. Was that one announced publicly, if you have any idea/memory?

I'm sorry if I am making less and less sense. Meds are starting to kill me x.x
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@GODHEX unironically, I linked another thread that says it's rng based.

So the fact they did decrease it by 1% and nobody saw the announcement, imo, is kinda sad.


But thanks for linking data sheets and yet another thread I guess? I guess people legitimately couldn't find that the devs DID say something.

Sorry for any misunderstanding, are we chill? I'm kinda done talking about it, before we all have our necks at risk of punishment.
@GODHEX unironically, I linked another thread that says it's rng based.

So the fact they did decrease it by 1% and nobody saw the announcement, imo, is kinda sad.


But thanks for linking data sheets and yet another thread I guess? I guess people legitimately couldn't find that the devs DID say something.

Sorry for any misunderstanding, are we chill? I'm kinda done talking about it, before we all have our necks at risk of punishment.
Quick question, so sorry if this is somewhere else: Will the Hallow close at the same time NOTN ends (6am, 5th) or will it remain until the chests disintegrate? I for some reason cannot remember!
Quick question, so sorry if this is somewhere else: Will the Hallow close at the same time NOTN ends (6am, 5th) or will it remain until the chests disintegrate? I for some reason cannot remember!
Wow, I actually found a breed change scroll in a chest today. Haven't seen those for years. :o
Wow, I actually found a breed change scroll in a chest today. Haven't seen those for years. :o
Awe, that’s sad. It’s sad to see NoTN end. I had so much fun this year. I filled up my hoard like crazy. 87 nocturne eggs, 2 shadow eggs, 1 fire egg, 2 eliminates, and many big bosses, I lost track of how many. Now what will I do with all this time on my hands? Lol
Awe, that’s sad. It’s sad to see NoTN end. I had so much fun this year. I filled up my hoard like crazy. 87 nocturne eggs, 2 shadow eggs, 1 fire egg, 2 eliminates, and many big bosses, I lost track of how many. Now what will I do with all this time on my hands? Lol
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Sure will be odd not grinding the coli for strange chests anymore lmao
But honestly this has been my most productive notn? I spent about 35-40kg on G1s + their projects and I honestly don't even know how
Sure will be odd not grinding the coli for strange chests anymore lmao
But honestly this has been my most productive notn? I spent about 35-40kg on G1s + their projects and I honestly don't even know how
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The fact that there is no NOTN grinding OR Public Buy for the next 2 weeks - I also feel a lot of free time. Time to catch up on the to-do lists that were waiting since December, and time to get started on those “someday” projects! [emoji=familiar heart size=1]
The fact that there is no NOTN grinding OR Public Buy for the next 2 weeks - I also feel a lot of free time. Time to catch up on the to-do lists that were waiting since December, and time to get started on those “someday” projects!
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