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Site lore makes this very cut and dry.

"Dominance is determined by a flight's dedication to exalting dragons. These dragons leave their home lairs to forever serve under their elemental deity, using their combined power to help combat the other flights."

Once a player exalts a dragon, it no longer belongs to them. Per site lore that dragon now serves their respective elemental deity forever. From an official lore perspective, you're completely in the clear to write your dragon's exalted offspring/parents/old friends into their lore and many players do.

The exalt message cements this: "Exalting BobTheDragon to the service of the Lightweaver will remove them from your lair forever. They will leave behind a small sum of riches that they have accumulated. This action is irreversible."

You're also totally in the clear to recreate a dragon you used to own, no need to ask anyone for permission. No one can "own" a specific color, gene, or breed combination. That being said, it would be considered a bit rude to copy a dragon from another player's lair, dragon identity theft if you will, but it's not expressly against site rules. Lore is a different ballgame however, so you'd need to be sure to write new lore if the original dragon was sold with their lore attached. That lore would now belong to the player who bought the dragon and could not be used without their express permission.

Hope this helps!
Site lore makes this very cut and dry.

"Dominance is determined by a flight's dedication to exalting dragons. These dragons leave their home lairs to forever serve under their elemental deity, using their combined power to help combat the other flights."

Once a player exalts a dragon, it no longer belongs to them. Per site lore that dragon now serves their respective elemental deity forever. From an official lore perspective, you're completely in the clear to write your dragon's exalted offspring/parents/old friends into their lore and many players do.

The exalt message cements this: "Exalting BobTheDragon to the service of the Lightweaver will remove them from your lair forever. They will leave behind a small sum of riches that they have accumulated. This action is irreversible."

You're also totally in the clear to recreate a dragon you used to own, no need to ask anyone for permission. No one can "own" a specific color, gene, or breed combination. That being said, it would be considered a bit rude to copy a dragon from another player's lair, dragon identity theft if you will, but it's not expressly against site rules. Lore is a different ballgame however, so you'd need to be sure to write new lore if the original dragon was sold with their lore attached. That lore would now belong to the player who bought the dragon and could not be used without their express permission.

Hope this helps!
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They leave your lair; they don't leave your possession. Or they wouldn't still be linked to your account, and be able to be restored in the first 90 days after being exalted.
They leave your lair; they don't leave your possession. Or they wouldn't still be linked to your account, and be able to be restored in the first 90 days after being exalted.
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At the sites inception, there was no restoration feature. The restoration feature was added entirely to allow players the option of restoring accidentally exalted dragons, a highly requested feature, not to provide an avenue for players to maintain ownership of a dragon that's been exalted. Once you exalt a dragon and their 45 day (not 90 days) restoration period is up, site lore makes it clear that the dragon no longer belongs to the lair/player who exalted them. They've gone to serve their deity in the endless battle for dominance.

The transactional nature of the exalt feature further cements this, as players are monetarily compensated for exalting dragons. Players also contribute to dominance when exalting dragons, adding another layer to the transaction between the player and the site. Exalting a dragon is no different than selling one, they leave your lair and no longer belong to you, with the caveat that you have 45 days to change your mind.

Dragons being tied to your account after exalting is used to track "Total Dragons Exalted" which is a stat you can find in Account Settings and has no bearing on dragon ownership.
At the sites inception, there was no restoration feature. The restoration feature was added entirely to allow players the option of restoring accidentally exalted dragons, a highly requested feature, not to provide an avenue for players to maintain ownership of a dragon that's been exalted. Once you exalt a dragon and their 45 day (not 90 days) restoration period is up, site lore makes it clear that the dragon no longer belongs to the lair/player who exalted them. They've gone to serve their deity in the endless battle for dominance.

The transactional nature of the exalt feature further cements this, as players are monetarily compensated for exalting dragons. Players also contribute to dominance when exalting dragons, adding another layer to the transaction between the player and the site. Exalting a dragon is no different than selling one, they leave your lair and no longer belong to you, with the caveat that you have 45 days to change your mind.

Dragons being tied to your account after exalting is used to track "Total Dragons Exalted" which is a stat you can find in Account Settings and has no bearing on dragon ownership.
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I almost always exalted dragons I really cared about but didn't want anymore and still somewhat consider them "mine" because I didn't want anyone to take them and make them "theirs" (aka change them). However if someone used any of my now-exalted dragons in their lore I probably wouldn't know or care, and if I did somehow find out I'd be happy the dragon was being remembered even if the lore mentioning them wasn't anything like their lore when they were in my possession. I get that some people might be uncomfortable with it but I think at worst you maybe get a message from the previous owner negotiating your use of their former dragon in your lore and at that point you can just remove it or tweak it if it's an issue and you want to be nice about it. Realistically speaking the dragon isn't theirs anymore and they can't really dictate what someone else does with it.

Edit: I also want to mention that even if someone cares about some of the dragons they've exalted, the likelihood is high that if they're an exalting lair that the majority of dragons they've exalted are just fodder dragons that mean nothing to them.

As for the second question, recreating a dragon you used to own is a super common thing for people on FR to do. Many people upgrade dragons they have with newer/better/more accurate versions and like others have said no one person has any claim to any color/gene/breed/name combo.
I almost always exalted dragons I really cared about but didn't want anymore and still somewhat consider them "mine" because I didn't want anyone to take them and make them "theirs" (aka change them). However if someone used any of my now-exalted dragons in their lore I probably wouldn't know or care, and if I did somehow find out I'd be happy the dragon was being remembered even if the lore mentioning them wasn't anything like their lore when they were in my possession. I get that some people might be uncomfortable with it but I think at worst you maybe get a message from the previous owner negotiating your use of their former dragon in your lore and at that point you can just remove it or tweak it if it's an issue and you want to be nice about it. Realistically speaking the dragon isn't theirs anymore and they can't really dictate what someone else does with it.

Edit: I also want to mention that even if someone cares about some of the dragons they've exalted, the likelihood is high that if they're an exalting lair that the majority of dragons they've exalted are just fodder dragons that mean nothing to them.

As for the second question, recreating a dragon you used to own is a super common thing for people on FR to do. Many people upgrade dragons they have with newer/better/more accurate versions and like others have said no one person has any claim to any color/gene/breed/name combo.
Hm, this is really a grey area. Honestly, you could if you wanted to, but as someone else said before there will be other players who don't like it. You may want to avoid it simply for the sake of not bringing potential controversy to your doorstep, as that can be a massive headache for nothing. It's incredibly easy to have your dragons have some more offspring, and exalt those for lore. If it were me, that's what I would do, simply because I don't have the energy to go about defending myself or altering my lore if something came of it. Then again, there will be players who like and dislike whatever you happen to do with your lair and dragons. There's never a way to please everyone, and sometimes it is permissible to just do what you want for yourself.

Ultimately, I don't think most people think about the dragons they have exalted all that often. There are one or two I do still think about, but the rest not really. I personally might feel a little weird if someone else used them, but not like, angry I suppose? If you're really worried and want to be extra courteous, you could try and find out who it was that exalted the dragons, and ask them if it's fine. That seems like a happy middle ground, albeit a bit difficult with exalted dragons. Ultimately though, it's out of their hands once the dragons are exalted and can no longer be retrieved.

TL;DR: It's a grey area and if it were me, I would just not, because it feels like more trouble than it's worth. I don't think you'd be a bad person or player if you did it, though.



EDIT: For the siblings that were sold, if someone still owns it and it's in their lair, then it's a hard "ask them about it, and if they don't reply or say no, then absolutely not" because it's still in that person's ownership obviously. If they're in a lair, they belong to someone. Also it's totally fine to breed for a dragon you already had before and give it the same name and everything, people do it all the time.
Hm, this is really a grey area. Honestly, you could if you wanted to, but as someone else said before there will be other players who don't like it. You may want to avoid it simply for the sake of not bringing potential controversy to your doorstep, as that can be a massive headache for nothing. It's incredibly easy to have your dragons have some more offspring, and exalt those for lore. If it were me, that's what I would do, simply because I don't have the energy to go about defending myself or altering my lore if something came of it. Then again, there will be players who like and dislike whatever you happen to do with your lair and dragons. There's never a way to please everyone, and sometimes it is permissible to just do what you want for yourself.

Ultimately, I don't think most people think about the dragons they have exalted all that often. There are one or two I do still think about, but the rest not really. I personally might feel a little weird if someone else used them, but not like, angry I suppose? If you're really worried and want to be extra courteous, you could try and find out who it was that exalted the dragons, and ask them if it's fine. That seems like a happy middle ground, albeit a bit difficult with exalted dragons. Ultimately though, it's out of their hands once the dragons are exalted and can no longer be retrieved.

TL;DR: It's a grey area and if it were me, I would just not, because it feels like more trouble than it's worth. I don't think you'd be a bad person or player if you did it, though.



EDIT: For the siblings that were sold, if someone still owns it and it's in their lair, then it's a hard "ask them about it, and if they don't reply or say no, then absolutely not" because it's still in that person's ownership obviously. If they're in a lair, they belong to someone. Also it's totally fine to breed for a dragon you already had before and give it the same name and everything, people do it all the time.
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[quote name="Elextra" date="2024-11-30 22:24:12" ] Dragons being tied to your account after exalting is used to track "Total Dragons Exalted" which is a stat you can find in Account Settings and has no bearing on dragon ownership. [/quote] This makes perfect sense now! I had always wondered why exalted dragons are still tied to an account even after years. This explains everything, that it's relation to an account has nothing to do with their current ownership. To put things simply, if you have concerns, ask the other owner. Otherwise do whatever you like with the lore of your own dragons, as long as they stay within the site rules. And recreating a dragon you owned before is totally fine. There's nothing wrong copying yourself lol.
Elextra wrote on 2024-11-30 22:24:12:
Dragons being tied to your account after exalting is used to track "Total Dragons Exalted" which is a stat you can find in Account Settings and has no bearing on dragon ownership.
This makes perfect sense now! I had always wondered why exalted dragons are still tied to an account even after years. This explains everything, that it's relation to an account has nothing to do with their current ownership.

To put things simply, if you have concerns, ask the other owner. Otherwise do whatever you like with the lore of your own dragons, as long as they stay within the site rules. And recreating a dragon you owned before is totally fine. There's nothing wrong copying yourself lol.
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I agree with the idea of just copying the genes + apparel and making your own dragon, or making a web page/fourm thread for hosting lore info about dragons you don't actively own but still exist in your lore. you could make your own 'npc' dragons if that makes sense

tho personally I consider exalted kids of my dragons to still be part of their lore sometimes. like x random exalted dragon got bought by somebody else for exalt fodder but in the pov of my dragons he got sent off to War(tm)

also imo its fine to retain old connections from rps and such on your dragons? tho the aformentioned 'npc' dragons would be a good way to get around it without other people complaining at all
I agree with the idea of just copying the genes + apparel and making your own dragon, or making a web page/fourm thread for hosting lore info about dragons you don't actively own but still exist in your lore. you could make your own 'npc' dragons if that makes sense

tho personally I consider exalted kids of my dragons to still be part of their lore sometimes. like x random exalted dragon got bought by somebody else for exalt fodder but in the pov of my dragons he got sent off to War(tm)

also imo its fine to retain old connections from rps and such on your dragons? tho the aformentioned 'npc' dragons would be a good way to get around it without other people complaining at all
I personally find it much easier to just make up relatives for my dragons and ignore what it says in their lineage box. That way you avoid upsetting anyone by mentioning a dragon whose lore they care about without permission.

I have had an issue before where someone decided to name one of my dragons by name in one of their kids' lore, and they painted a very unflattering picture of my dragon that went completely against their lore. I had to ask them to alter this, which they very kindly did (as at the end of the day I can't control what anyone else writes), but I definitely would have appreciated if they had asked for my permission first. I've also had much better interactions, where people have asked if they can mention my dragons by name first, and because of this I've been able to outline what I am and am not comfortable with them saying about my dragons, which led to a much more positive interaction. Ultimately at the end of the day no one can stop you from writing what you want, but it's always good to consider that many people care deeply about how their dragon is portrayed, and so if you want to do more than name-drop a dragon's relative (including if you want to write about their upbringing in a setting that includes that relative), it's usually much better to make up your own characters for the sake of your own creative freedom.

On the matter of exalted dragons? Given how much controversy that's stirred up, I'd probably follow the same advice and just make up a character rather than risk someone getting annoyed.
I personally find it much easier to just make up relatives for my dragons and ignore what it says in their lineage box. That way you avoid upsetting anyone by mentioning a dragon whose lore they care about without permission.

I have had an issue before where someone decided to name one of my dragons by name in one of their kids' lore, and they painted a very unflattering picture of my dragon that went completely against their lore. I had to ask them to alter this, which they very kindly did (as at the end of the day I can't control what anyone else writes), but I definitely would have appreciated if they had asked for my permission first. I've also had much better interactions, where people have asked if they can mention my dragons by name first, and because of this I've been able to outline what I am and am not comfortable with them saying about my dragons, which led to a much more positive interaction. Ultimately at the end of the day no one can stop you from writing what you want, but it's always good to consider that many people care deeply about how their dragon is portrayed, and so if you want to do more than name-drop a dragon's relative (including if you want to write about their upbringing in a setting that includes that relative), it's usually much better to make up your own characters for the sake of your own creative freedom.

On the matter of exalted dragons? Given how much controversy that's stirred up, I'd probably follow the same advice and just make up a character rather than risk someone getting annoyed.
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I think ownership over exalted dragons is a mute point. Technically, you can write your own lore about anyone's dragons - exalted or not - as long as you're not directly copying the other person's work and claiming it as your own. To add, no one has control over what you choose to include in your lore for your own dragons.

As for recreating dragons, no user can claim ownership over a particular gene pattern or color combo as the assets belong to Stormlight Workshop, so you can make any dragon you want.
I think ownership over exalted dragons is a mute point. Technically, you can write your own lore about anyone's dragons - exalted or not - as long as you're not directly copying the other person's work and claiming it as your own. To add, no one has control over what you choose to include in your lore for your own dragons.

As for recreating dragons, no user can claim ownership over a particular gene pattern or color combo as the assets belong to Stormlight Workshop, so you can make any dragon you want.
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