[quote name="Kuroikumo" date="2022-10-08 16:06:56" ]
[quote name="RedWillia" date="2022-10-08 13:36:51" ]
No support for a simple problem: what is a G2? As far as I know, there are two definitions floating around, one where both parents have to be G1s and another where only one has to be G1 - whichever option staff chooses, they will be codifying something that has no objective differences from a random Gmany. I believe that staff should be making as few as possible subjective choices that do not directly affect gameplay (that is, they shouldn't be dictating the "correct" way to play the game outside of actual gameplay mechanics) and this would certainly be a subjective choice.
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i don't think anybody defines a g2 as only having one g1 parent? both parents have to be g1s or it isn't a g2, that's universally accepted from my experience.
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Also if you really want to be safe you can define it as having at least one G1 parent and let players check for themselves. Or if you want to overcomplicate it you could have an option to have either pure G2s or half-G2s. I don't think whether or not a G2 has to have one G1 parent or two is a good enough reason to completely disregard the suggestion.
Kuroikumo wrote on 2022-10-08 16:06:56:
RedWillia wrote on 2022-10-08 13:36:51:
No support for a simple problem: what is a G2? As far as I know, there are two definitions floating around, one where both parents have to be G1s and another where only one has to be G1 - whichever option staff chooses, they will be codifying something that has no objective differences from a random Gmany. I believe that staff should be making as few as possible subjective choices that do not directly affect gameplay (that is, they shouldn't be dictating the "correct" way to play the game outside of actual gameplay mechanics) and this would certainly be a subjective choice.
i don't think anybody defines a g2 as only having one g1 parent? both parents have to be g1s or it isn't a g2, that's universally accepted from my experience.
Also if you really want to be safe you can define it as having at least one G1 parent and let players check for themselves. Or if you want to overcomplicate it you could have an option to have either pure G2s or half-G2s. I don't think whether or not a G2 has to have one G1 parent or two is a good enough reason to completely disregard the suggestion.
[quote name="RedWillia" date="2022-10-08 13:36:51" ]
No support for a simple problem: what is a G2? As far as I know, there are two definitions floating around, one where both parents have to be G1s and another where only one has to be G1 - whichever option staff chooses, they will be codifying something that has no objective differences from a random Gmany. I believe that staff should be making as few as possible subjective choices that do not directly affect gameplay (that is, they shouldn't be dictating the "correct" way to play the game outside of actual gameplay mechanics) and this would certainly be a subjective choice.
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Eye types are another feature we can sort by, though they have no mechanical impact on the game. It's merely an aesthetic feature a dragon possesses that cannot be inherited by offspring, unlike genes. With the implementation of eye vials, this search feature is even less useful as any eye type can now be applied. Combined with ID digits, we already have two search criteria in Dragon Search and the AH that do not impact gameplay mechanics.
One can argue, and indeed I am, that G2 dragons do have an impact on gameplay mechanics. G2 dragons are able to breed with a larger population of the available dragons than most other kinds of dragons. This has been vital for me in my breeding projects, as well as trying to inject fresh blood into a color-combination that is sorely lacking. I doubt I'm the only one who's benefited from this.
RedWillia wrote on 2022-10-08 13:36:51:
No support for a simple problem: what is a G2? As far as I know, there are two definitions floating around, one where both parents have to be G1s and another where only one has to be G1 - whichever option staff chooses, they will be codifying something that has no objective differences from a random Gmany. I believe that staff should be making as few as possible subjective choices that do not directly affect gameplay (that is, they shouldn't be dictating the "correct" way to play the game outside of actual gameplay mechanics) and this would certainly be a subjective choice.
Eye types are another feature we can sort by, though they have no mechanical impact on the game. It's merely an aesthetic feature a dragon possesses that cannot be inherited by offspring, unlike genes. With the implementation of eye vials, this search feature is even less useful as any eye type can now be applied. Combined with ID digits, we already have two search criteria in Dragon Search and the AH that do not impact gameplay mechanics.
One can argue, and indeed I am, that G2 dragons do have an impact on gameplay mechanics. G2 dragons are able to breed with a larger population of the available dragons than most other kinds of dragons. This has been vital for me in my breeding projects, as well as trying to inject fresh blood into a color-combination that is sorely lacking. I doubt I'm the only one who's benefited from this.
A more complicated suggestion than it seems on the face of it, but I think it’s a good idea. At first I thought it might take code that doesn’t exist yet to look further up the dragon’s lineage, but then I remembered that the site already does this for breeding within five generations of a common ancestor. Probably not a code that can just be copy/pasted but I guess at least there is precedent.
The full-vs-half G2 question is an interesting one, I imagine that it would be a bigger issue on Dragon Search than on the AH, since on Dragon Search people are probably more curious about what’s out there in the site as a whole and not what dragon specifically they can buy, which they can just rule out if they see it’s a half G2 and they wanted a full. Lot more checking to do with Dragon Search, I’d hazard. So yeah maybe two separate search options for full vs half G2? Though I acknowledge it might be a bit much
A more complicated suggestion than it seems on the face of it, but I think it’s a good idea. At first I thought it might take code that doesn’t exist yet to look further up the dragon’s lineage, but then I remembered that the site already does this for breeding within five generations of a common ancestor. Probably not a code that can just be copy/pasted but I guess at least there is precedent.
The full-vs-half G2 question is an interesting one, I imagine that it would be a bigger issue on Dragon Search than on the AH, since on Dragon Search people are probably more curious about what’s out there in the site as a whole and not what dragon specifically they can buy, which they can just rule out if they see it’s a half G2 and they wanted a full. Lot more checking to do with Dragon Search, I’d hazard. So yeah maybe two separate search options for full vs half G2? Though I acknowledge it might be a bit much
definitely support, i'd love to buy more g2s
definitely support, i'd love to buy more g2s
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[quote name="RedWillia" date="2022-10-08 13:36:51" ]
No support for a simple problem: what is a G2? As far as I know, there are two definitions floating around, one where both parents have to be G1s and another where only one has to be G1
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Generation two is always the result of Generation 1 + Generation 1.
The other definition is incorrect.
An offspring's generation is always calculated as the generation number of the highest generation parent, plus 1.
Generation 3 + Generation 5 = Generation 6
Generation 306 + Generation 63 = Generation 307
If someone's counting from a random point in a lineage for some kind of personal reference and that's just how they want to keep track of it, that's fine, too, but officially the Gen 1 + Gen 35 is not an actual Generation 2 dragon.
RedWillia wrote on 2022-10-08 13:36:51:
No support for a simple problem: what is a G2? As far as I know, there are two definitions floating around, one where both parents have to be G1s and another where only one has to be G1
Generation two is always the result of Generation 1 + Generation 1.
The other definition is incorrect.
An offspring's generation is always calculated as the generation number of the highest generation parent, plus 1.
Generation 3 + Generation 5 = Generation 6
Generation 306 + Generation 63 = Generation 307
If someone's counting from a random point in a lineage for some kind of personal reference and that's just how they want to keep track of it, that's fine, too, but officially the Gen 1 + Gen 35 is not an actual Generation 2 dragon.
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Support! I need an easier way to find g2 imps or just nice g2 dragons in general.
Support! I need an easier way to find g2 imps or just nice g2 dragons in general.
Support. If it's feasible, I would like there to be a tickybox for full g2s (both parents g1) and half-g2s (one parent g1). I don't know how feasible this would be to code but I think it would solve the definition problem. Because while it's true that many people consider a half-g2 to not be a g2, there are nonetheless those of us where it's "good enough" - for example, the amount of g1 Imps on this site is very low and some g1 Imp owners breed theirs with a non-g1 and there is a market for that, there's still a prestige of having a dragon that's the child of one of the few g1 Imps around. Says the guy who put Marva eyes and a Pearlcatcher mask on mine. Much prestige, very serious, wow So while I can understand that from a "who can I breed this with" perspective, a gen1 + gen20 dragon is still a gen21 dragon, not all of us breed our dragons and some of us like to collect dragons that have a g1 Imp parent, and having the option to look for one g1 parent would be useful, since not everyone has a hatchery advertising their g2s. I found mine on the AH, in fact.
Support. If it's feasible, I would like there to be a tickybox for full g2s (both parents g1) and half-g2s (one parent g1). I don't know how feasible this would be to code but I think it would solve the definition problem. Because while it's true that many people consider a half-g2 to not be a g2, there are nonetheless those of us where it's "good enough" - for example, the amount of g1 Imps on this site is very low and some g1 Imp owners breed theirs with a non-g1 and there is a market for that, there's still a prestige of having a dragon that's the child of one of the few g1 Imps around. Says the guy who put Marva eyes and a Pearlcatcher mask on mine. Much prestige, very serious, wow So while I can understand that from a "who can I breed this with" perspective, a gen1 + gen20 dragon is still a gen21 dragon, not all of us breed our dragons and some of us like to collect dragons that have a g1 Imp parent, and having the option to look for one g1 parent would be useful, since not everyone has a hatchery advertising their g2s. I found mine on the AH, in fact.
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I don't personally have a problem with it but like... how? A G3 dragon is exactly the same as a G2 dragon, if you look at the dragon itself. The only thing that makes it different is if you look at its parents, which I think is not something that the current system does. It just sounds like a lot of lag...
I don't personally have a problem with it but like... how? A G3 dragon is exactly the same as a G2 dragon, if you look at the dragon itself. The only thing that makes it different is if you look at its parents, which I think is not something that the current system does. It just sounds like a lot of lag...
[quote name="RedWillia" date="2022-10-08 13:36:51" ]
No support for a simple problem: what is a G2? As far as I know, there are two definitions floating around, one where both parents have to be G1s and another where only one has to be G1 - whichever option staff chooses, they will be codifying something that has no objective differences from a random Gmany. I believe that staff should be making as few as possible subjective choices that do not directly affect gameplay (that is, they shouldn't be dictating the "correct" way to play the game outside of actual gameplay mechanics) and this would certainly be a subjective choice.
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If they choose to mean [i]pure g2[/i] it would be objective, which means that's probably what they should choose.
[quote name="Kuroikumo" date="2022-10-08 16:06:56" ]
i don't think anybody defines a g2 as only having one g1 parent? both parents have to be g1s or it isn't a g2, that's universally accepted from my experience.
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They do, and some people use [i]pure g2[/i] to clarify.
RedWillia wrote on 2022-10-08 13:36:51:
No support for a simple problem: what is a G2? As far as I know, there are two definitions floating around, one where both parents have to be G1s and another where only one has to be G1 - whichever option staff chooses, they will be codifying something that has no objective differences from a random Gmany. I believe that staff should be making as few as possible subjective choices that do not directly affect gameplay (that is, they shouldn't be dictating the "correct" way to play the game outside of actual gameplay mechanics) and this would certainly be a subjective choice.
If they choose to mean
pure g2 it would be objective, which means that's probably what they should choose.
Kuroikumo wrote on 2022-10-08 16:06:56:
i don't think anybody defines a g2 as only having one g1 parent? both parents have to be g1s or it isn't a g2, that's universally accepted from my experience.
They do, and some people use
pure g2 to clarify.
support! i wanna buy gen 2 dragons but alas, theyre so hard to find
