I just realized the Beastclan rebellion was talked about in the first ice story. A skydancer asked a Longneck if she knew about Talona and both her and her Tundra buddy were ready to defend themselves until she just shrugged.
Exact scene from [url=https://flightrising.com/main.php?p=wiki&article=92]here[/url]:
[quote]Tippa moved with ease through the passes, the two dragons following quietly in her wake. When Wemba first suggested hiring the lanky snowhike, Trendal had been more than a little apprehensive. Trusting a longneck, especially given the nature of the heist they were about to embark on, was a preposterous idea.
[i]“You can’t be serious, Wemba!” Trendal exclaimed.
“Look, not all beastclans are members of the uprising. Tippa’s clan probably isn’t even aware of it! They prefer the solitude of the Crags and, quite frankly, making money off of foolish dragons like us,” Wemba said with a sigh. “Look, here she comes.”
Wemba moved to meet the longneck, greeting her with a nod. “Tippa, what is the thing of Talona?”
Trendal flinched, both at the name of the beastclan’s defacto leader and at Wemba’s embarrassing longneck language skills. Generally one does not refer to a clan leader as a "thing".
Raising an eyebrow, Tippa stared at Wemba, and a tenseness hung in the air. The pair of dragons were just about to assume battle stances when Tippa lazily shrugged and presented Wemba with a crude contract for her services.
Later that night, after Tippa had retreated to her blanket pile, Wemba leaned over to Trendal and pointed a talon at the gem-like orb on her forehead. “Besides, don’t you think I’d sense if she meant to hurt us?”[/i]
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Do y'all think it's going to get removed or changed?
The announcement thread is locked so I can't say anything except here but I wonder how this specific part of BOTE is gonna get handled.
Maybe there will only be a minor change like "do you know the thing of Shade?" and an explanation of how the Shade works?
Which... in retrospect that would be a REALLY good change considering how later in ice's plotlines, Wemba is called Shade-touched and we don't have much context for that beyond implied corruption. I don't need to be spoonfed everything in stories but it might make things flow better into the Gaoler story.
Or maybe Wemba mistakes Tippa for being aligned with Wintermane instead, a centaur leader (and warlord?) since we have no context for him beyond members of his herd being in coliseum.
[item=Wintermane Bowman][item=Wintermane Spearman]
But now... hoo boy I'm curious how this is gonna get edited, if at all.
I just realized the Beastclan rebellion was talked about in the first ice story. A skydancer asked a Longneck if she knew about Talona and both her and her Tundra buddy were ready to defend themselves until she just shrugged.
Tippa moved with ease through the passes, the two dragons following quietly in her wake. When Wemba first suggested hiring the lanky snowhike, Trendal had been more than a little apprehensive. Trusting a longneck, especially given the nature of the heist they were about to embark on, was a preposterous idea.
“You can’t be serious, Wemba!” Trendal exclaimed.
“Look, not all beastclans are members of the uprising. Tippa’s clan probably isn’t even aware of it! They prefer the solitude of the Crags and, quite frankly, making money off of foolish dragons like us,” Wemba said with a sigh. “Look, here she comes.”
Wemba moved to meet the longneck, greeting her with a nod. “Tippa, what is the thing of Talona?”
Trendal flinched, both at the name of the beastclan’s defacto leader and at Wemba’s embarrassing longneck language skills. Generally one does not refer to a clan leader as a "thing".
Raising an eyebrow, Tippa stared at Wemba, and a tenseness hung in the air. The pair of dragons were just about to assume battle stances when Tippa lazily shrugged and presented Wemba with a crude contract for her services.
Later that night, after Tippa had retreated to her blanket pile, Wemba leaned over to Trendal and pointed a talon at the gem-like orb on her forehead. “Besides, don’t you think I’d sense if she meant to hurt us?”
Do y'all think it's going to get removed or changed?
The announcement thread is locked so I can't say anything except here but I wonder how this specific part of BOTE is gonna get handled.
Maybe there will only be a minor change like "do you know the thing of Shade?" and an explanation of how the Shade works?
Which... in retrospect that would be a REALLY good change considering how later in ice's plotlines, Wemba is called Shade-touched and we don't have much context for that beyond implied corruption. I don't need to be spoonfed everything in stories but it might make things flow better into the Gaoler story.
Or maybe Wemba mistakes Tippa for being aligned with Wintermane instead, a centaur leader (and warlord?) since we have no context for him beyond members of his herd being in coliseum.
Wintermane Bowman
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A good eye and a steady hand are required to shoot while galloping.
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Wintermane Spearman
Familiar
The wintermane clan is not named for their snow-white mane and tail, but for the leader of their herd.
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But now... hoo boy I'm curious how this is gonna get edited, if at all.
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From what I've seen in Undel and Aoquin replies, they're going trough the site tooltips n other written parts to modify stuff that referenced the old lore, so this may be part of that!
From what I've seen in Undel and Aoquin replies, they're going trough the site tooltips n other written parts to modify stuff that referenced the old lore, so this may be part of that!
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One thing that's gonna be one hell of a rehaul will be the Joxar beastclans too - not all of them (some are just regular scammers but even that needs slight adjustment) but a lot are direct references to pre-retcon Beastclan lore.
One thing that's gonna be one hell of a rehaul will be the Joxar beastclans too - not all of them (some are just regular scammers but even that needs slight adjustment) but a lot are direct references to pre-retcon Beastclan lore.
Noted, thank you! I have a feeling these are going to pop up here and there for awhile, seeing as it's been seven years since Beastclans on the Rise was released. It's also okay to notify us via Contact Us, too! Please clearly title your ticket that it's an outdated lore reference and include a link (webpage or Game Database) to the reference when you do. Thank you!
Noted, thank you! I have a feeling these are going to pop up here and there for awhile, seeing as it's been seven years since Beastclans on the Rise was released. It's also okay to notify us via Contact Us, too! Please clearly title your ticket that it's an outdated lore reference and include a link (webpage or Game Database) to the reference when you do. Thank you!
@Aequorin How would this work with old staff Q&A posts and lore dumps across the forums?
Not the contact ticket submission process, but would outdated staff answers to a question receive a bolded text warning/info box above them stating whether a specific response was outdated or not?
How's that gonna work?
There's not too many but here's some easy examples and a theme week:
For the record, I wasn't even looking into theme weeks. I literally just typed "Beastclans" and searched by staff member like how I normally look for old and obscure Q&A posts and ran into that. Those aren't hugely lore-defining posts and I don't expect many players to go looking for them but uh... God that makes the combing effort so much bigger.
Q&As are awkward because those are often the only places we get very specific (and sometimes only) explanations for parts of site lore. I'm curious if there's gonna be a new way to mark outdated info on them so we can still know what is and isn't retconned.
For clarity, I'm not asking for a marking on EVERY announced piece of site lore being marked as canon/not canon. But I basically don't want to see an entire Q&A post flagged for being outdated when only 1 small part is actually non-canon either.
I just wanna know how Q&As containing outdated information are going to work when moving forward.
@Aequorin How would this work with old staff Q&A posts and lore dumps across the forums?
Not the contact ticket submission process, but would outdated staff answers to a question receive a bolded text warning/info box above them stating whether a specific response was outdated or not?
How's that gonna work?
There's not too many but here's some easy examples and a theme week:
For the record, I wasn't even looking into theme weeks. I literally just typed "Beastclans" and searched by staff member like how I normally look for old and obscure Q&A posts and ran into that. Those aren't hugely lore-defining posts and I don't expect many players to go looking for them but uh... God that makes the combing effort so much bigger.
Q&As are awkward because those are often the only places we get very specific (and sometimes only) explanations for parts of site lore. I'm curious if there's gonna be a new way to mark outdated info on them so we can still know what is and isn't retconned.
For clarity, I'm not asking for a marking on EVERY announced piece of site lore being marked as canon/not canon. But I basically don't want to see an entire Q&A post flagged for being outdated when only 1 small part is actually non-canon either.
I just wanna know how Q&As containing outdated information are going to work when moving forward.
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[quote name="MulberryScroll" date="2022-12-15 05:29:11" ]
One thing that's gonna be one hell of a rehaul will be the Joxar beastclans too - not all of them (some are just regular scammers but even that needs slight adjustment) but a lot are direct references to pre-retcon Beastclan lore.
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Uh, hey hey hey, I always liked the Ambassadors & tricksters. I hope they won't get changed too significantly. I mean, just because we're supposedly not in all-out war anymore doesn't mean there can't still be hostile factions, does it?
One thing that's gonna be one hell of a rehaul will be the Joxar beastclans too - not all of them (some are just regular scammers but even that needs slight adjustment) but a lot are direct references to pre-retcon Beastclan lore.
Uh, hey hey hey, I always liked the Ambassadors & tricksters. I hope they won't get changed too significantly. I mean, just because we're supposedly not in all-out war anymore doesn't mean there can't still be hostile factions, does it?
I hope the Joxar fams aren't changed too much, too--I like the new lore, but I also like the idea that there are still some Beastclan factions that are hostile to dragons and vice-versa. It adds some nuance to the lore.
I hope the Joxar fams aren't changed too much, too--I like the new lore, but I also like the idea that there are still some Beastclan factions that are hostile to dragons and vice-versa. It adds some nuance to the lore.
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I had to look back at these familiars because I keep confusing them for the ambassadors, and... yeahhhhhh I get it now.
Some of these probably wouldn't be changed (thievery would still be thing in Sornieth?) but other familiars like the Eye of Talona might undergo an edit though.
List for both myself and an easy read for anyone confused:
Ambassador familiars:
[item=Luminous Ambassador][item=Voltaic Ambassador][item=Conflagrant Ambassador][item=Spellwrought Ambassador][item=Contaminated Ambassador][item=Crystalcourt Ambassador][item=Glitterfreeze Ambassador][item=Murkmirth Ambassador][item=Aerborne Ambassador][item=Fathomsearch Ambassador][item=Gladegift Ambassador]
Their joxar recolors:
[item=Mistyhollow Agent][item=Crazed Powermith][item=Manticorian Provocateur][item=Eye of Talona][item=Lithetail Assassin][item=Dapplemane Deceiver][item=Longneck Lampooner][item=Rainbowfeather Thief][item=Laybrush Larcenist][item=Torrent Tricktail][item=Witherbough Warlock]
Also had a bit of a realization today that ice story wasn't the only story that mentioned Beastclan conflict. I totally forgot the entire mystery of the [url=https://flightrising.com/main.php?p=wiki&article=97]unearthed dragon and Beastclan skeletons[/url], and then the abandoned(?) city in Dustcarve Dig containing [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/effort/1/3]a crystal that might be tied to the chamber where those skeletons were found[/url].
I wanted to bring it up but didn't feel like making another thread because it'll make me look like I'm trying to start drama over every single Beastclan thing in BOTE ([b]...I'm not[/b] but multiple threads about it would look suspicious).
I'm just sitting here, thinking about the lore rehaul announcement, and imagining the huge number of potential changes like a pile slowly getting bigger and bigger. Not a complaint, it's just one of those "oh yeah this... OH YEAH that thing too... " feeling.
I had to look back at these familiars because I keep confusing them for the ambassadors, and... yeahhhhhh I get it now.
Some of these probably wouldn't be changed (thievery would still be thing in Sornieth?) but other familiars like the Eye of Talona might undergo an edit though.
List for both myself and an easy read for anyone confused:
Ambassador familiars:
Luminous Ambassador
Familiar
On the brightest of days, these stoic faun-like creatures can be seen traveling between light lairs, building alliances with dragonkind. (Brightshine Jubilee 2018 Holiday Item)
0
Voltaic Ambassador
Familiar
The mith are known for their pragmatic speaking style, and will happily hold conversation with you...as long as there isn't a lightbulb on nearby. (Thundercrack Carnivale 2018 Holiday Item)
0
Conflagrant Ambassador
Familiar
Though most manticores lean on sheer, indomitable strength to get them through tough situations, this one has adopted a much more subdued approach. (Flameforger's Festival 2018 Holiday Item)
0
Spellwrought Ambassador
Familiar
While harpies aren't typically prolific spellcasters, many have taken up apprenticeships with neutral dragon clans in the Starfall Isles. (Starfall Celebration 2018 Holiday Item)
0
Contaminated Ambassador
Familiar
Serthis have an excellent natural protection against poisons and toxins, making them natural emissaries to the Scarred Wasteland. (Riot of Rot 2018 Holiday Item)
0
Crystalcourt Ambassador
Familiar
Of those that are granted audience with the Crystalcourt elite, the centaurs are among the few artisans from outside Earth's sway. (Rockbreaker's Ceremony 2018 Holiday Item)
0
Glitterfreeze Ambassador
Familiar
The Longneck of the Southern Icefield have a storied history of coexisting with dragonkind, and many are happy to guide trekking clans through the most dangerous mountain passes. (Crystalline Gala Holiday Familiar 2019.)
0
Murkmirth Ambassador
Familiar
Corven emissaries have adapted to the unpredictable and superstitious customs of the Tangled Wood. Tarot readings are a popular bartering tool with dragons who are parting with food and supplies. (Trickmurk Circus 2019 Holiday Item)
0
Aerborne Ambassador
Familiar
The grinning faces of kitsune are welcomed and beloved among the clans of the Windswept Plateau, many even living close by dragons for protection. (Mistral Jamboree Holiday Item 2019)
0
Fathomsearch Ambassador
Familiar
The dragons of the water flight have enlisted the help of willing deepwater maren beastclans to aid them in their ongoing search for a lost deity. (Wavecrest Saturnalia 2019 Holiday Item)
0
Gladegift Ambassador
Familiar
Helpful hermits guide dragons through the darkest and twistiest forest paths, and these dryads know them very well. (Greenskeeper Gathering 2019 Holiday Item)
0
Their joxar recolors:
Mistyhollow Agent
Familiar
Intent on sowing distrust among light dragon clans, this false diplomat travels the Sunbeam Ruins crying fabricated omens.
0
Crazed Powermith
Familiar
Your workshop will never be safe again.
0
Manticorian Provocateur
Familiar
Manticore are often hired by other beastclan tribes to perform espionage in thick jungles or dense woodlands due to their exceptional prowling abilities.
0
Eye of Talona
Familiar
These deceitful harpies claim to be representatives of Talona, striking out to forge alliances with dragonkind. Little do many know that they are actually talented spies seeking to benefit from conflict.
0
Lithetail Assassin
Familiar
Hostile Serthis beastclans elevate talented assassins to their highest echelons, a major factor in pushing their society toward espionage and sabotage.
0
Dapplemane Deceiver
Familiar
These striking centaurs use their encyclopedic knowledge of deepearth stones, minerals, and jewels to get in the good graces of wealthy dragon clans, before robbing them blind.
0
Longneck Lampooner
Familiar
Most Longneck clans are peaceful, but if you look hard enough, one can find a handful that use this preconception to nefarious ends.
0
Rainbowfeather Thief
Familiar
Disgruntled corven enter with promises of friendship, but leave with talons full of stolen hoards.
0
Laybrush Larcenist
Familiar
The constant windswept rustle of bushes, grasses, and trees are enough cover for clever acts of thievery. Watch your hoard closely on blustery nights.
0
Torrent Tricktail
Familiar
When the great maelstrom ravaged coastline dragon lairs, enterprising maren moved in, combing the wreckage for baubles and treasures to loot.
0
Witherbough Warlock
Familiar
Beware the dancing lights in the thicket; there are malevolent creatures about. A branch or a root could turn out to be the searching claws of something sinister...
I wanted to bring it up but didn't feel like making another thread because it'll make me look like I'm trying to start drama over every single Beastclan thing in BOTE (...I'm not but multiple threads about it would look suspicious).
I'm just sitting here, thinking about the lore rehaul announcement, and imagining the huge number of potential changes like a pile slowly getting bigger and bigger. Not a complaint, it's just one of those "oh yeah this... OH YEAH that thing too... " feeling.
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