And I'm sure it's been brought up before as well, but putting familiars into the transmutation pot is also kind of sketchy. Yes I know that they're just little pieces of data their not real, but still it's kind of cringe-worthy when you start thinking about it. Let's throw the bodies of our Fallen foe and/or friends into a pot.
TOPIC | An Apology for Beastclans on the Rise
And I'm sure it's been brought up before as well, but putting familiars into the transmutation pot is also kind of sketchy. Yes I know that they're just little pieces of data their not real, but still it's kind of cringe-worthy when you start thinking about it. Let's throw the bodies of our Fallen foe and/or friends into a pot.
THIS is the beastclan lore I'm here for. Nice. Definitely headed in the right direction now.
(Fingers crossed we get Mith lore this time around!)
(Fingers crossed we get Mith lore this time around!)
THIS is the beastclan lore I'm here for. Nice. Definitely headed in the right direction now.
(Fingers crossed we get Mith lore this time around!)
(Fingers crossed we get Mith lore this time around!)
[quote name="Seapony" date="2022-12-14 18:41:12" ]
And I'm sure it's been brought up before as well, but putting familiars into the transmutation pot is also kind of sketchy. Yes I know that they're just little pieces of data their not real, but still it's kind of cringe-worthy when you start thinking about it. Let's throw the bodies of our Fallen foe and/or friends into a pot.
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[b][url=https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/ann/3193191/11#post_52946682]And addressed by Undel![/url][/b] [emoji=new friend size=1]
[quote name="Undel" date="2022-12-14 11:13:59" ]
[quote name="RoxxiFloofs" date="2022-12-14 11:06:50" ]
I wonder if Baldwin's Brew will change a bit because of this? Throwing Beastclan members into the cauldron seems kind of... wrong (as funny as it is to imagine just tossing an entire centaur in)
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I think with this one it needs to be recognized as a game mechanic to get rid of duplicate items and turn them into something useful. If you want to think of a way to make this fit into your lore, think of "feather of harpy" as being an ingredient rather than putting a creature whole into a pot. The same goes for non-sapient familiars. Baldwin would never allow living creatures to be tossed into his cauldron!
This is definitely a place where mechanics and lore disconnect.
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Regarding some of the existing tooltips for harpy familiars and items, that is an oversight and we will be bringing the tooltips in line in a site status update before the end of the week.
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(@Seapony)
Seapony wrote on 2022-12-14 18:41:12:
And I'm sure it's been brought up before as well, but putting familiars into the transmutation pot is also kind of sketchy. Yes I know that they're just little pieces of data their not real, but still it's kind of cringe-worthy when you start thinking about it. Let's throw the bodies of our Fallen foe and/or friends into a pot.
And addressed by Undel!
Undel wrote on 2022-12-14 11:13:59:
RoxxiFloofs wrote on 2022-12-14 11:06:50:
I wonder if Baldwin's Brew will change a bit because of this? Throwing Beastclan members into the cauldron seems kind of... wrong (as funny as it is to imagine just tossing an entire centaur in)
I think with this one it needs to be recognized as a game mechanic to get rid of duplicate items and turn them into something useful. If you want to think of a way to make this fit into your lore, think of "feather of harpy" as being an ingredient rather than putting a creature whole into a pot. The same goes for non-sapient familiars. Baldwin would never allow living creatures to be tossed into his cauldron!
This is definitely a place where mechanics and lore disconnect.
Regarding some of the existing tooltips for harpy familiars and items, that is an oversight and we will be bringing the tooltips in line in a site status update before the end of the week.
@Hippotang In the new encyclopedia entry, it states:
"Harpies have both the strongest alliance and the greatest tension with dragonkind in the Windswept Plateau."
and
"While the alliance in the Zephyr Steppes has been regarded as strong and mutually beneficial, there have been reports of harpy wings who patrol outside their cities being harried by enormous, winged shapes in the night."
It says it in Aequorin's reply as well, but what they're saying is that conflict may always happen between dragonkind and beastclans. No, it isn't specifically stated that there are all-out wars between the entirety of either group, but smaller forces of dragonkind may battle with harpies and vice versa.
In up-coming lore entries for each beastclan, we'll see some more relationships between each other and dragonkind.
EDIT: All I'm saying is that it's really up to you now!
"Harpies have both the strongest alliance and the greatest tension with dragonkind in the Windswept Plateau."
and
"While the alliance in the Zephyr Steppes has been regarded as strong and mutually beneficial, there have been reports of harpy wings who patrol outside their cities being harried by enormous, winged shapes in the night."
It says it in Aequorin's reply as well, but what they're saying is that conflict may always happen between dragonkind and beastclans. No, it isn't specifically stated that there are all-out wars between the entirety of either group, but smaller forces of dragonkind may battle with harpies and vice versa.
In up-coming lore entries for each beastclan, we'll see some more relationships between each other and dragonkind.
EDIT: All I'm saying is that it's really up to you now!
@Hippotang In the new encyclopedia entry, it states:
"Harpies have both the strongest alliance and the greatest tension with dragonkind in the Windswept Plateau."
and
"While the alliance in the Zephyr Steppes has been regarded as strong and mutually beneficial, there have been reports of harpy wings who patrol outside their cities being harried by enormous, winged shapes in the night."
It says it in Aequorin's reply as well, but what they're saying is that conflict may always happen between dragonkind and beastclans. No, it isn't specifically stated that there are all-out wars between the entirety of either group, but smaller forces of dragonkind may battle with harpies and vice versa.
In up-coming lore entries for each beastclan, we'll see some more relationships between each other and dragonkind.
EDIT: All I'm saying is that it's really up to you now!
"Harpies have both the strongest alliance and the greatest tension with dragonkind in the Windswept Plateau."
and
"While the alliance in the Zephyr Steppes has been regarded as strong and mutually beneficial, there have been reports of harpy wings who patrol outside their cities being harried by enormous, winged shapes in the night."
It says it in Aequorin's reply as well, but what they're saying is that conflict may always happen between dragonkind and beastclans. No, it isn't specifically stated that there are all-out wars between the entirety of either group, but smaller forces of dragonkind may battle with harpies and vice versa.
In up-coming lore entries for each beastclan, we'll see some more relationships between each other and dragonkind.
EDIT: All I'm saying is that it's really up to you now!
This seems like a great update! I'm excited about the potential of more present characters such as traders from the Beastclans! The Harpy lore seems interesting too. :)
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[quote name="Akherus" date="2022-12-14 18:00:09" ]
Ah, might we be seeing Mith, Sphynx, Dryad, and/or others getting some love as well? Didn't realise that they weren't listed with the others on the defunct page but I'd presume they are also sentient cultures as much as the original six that had entries- as well as some others I'm not thinking of at the moment. Not that it is any small amount of lore to work out, I thoroughly expect the other five groupings that RotBC had included details on alone will take some time to revise. But I ever train my eyes to the future.
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I didn't even think of this! We've got our 6 official beastclans; Harpies, Longneck, Centaur, Maren, Serthis, and Talonok... but there are still familiars that have very obvious sapient qualities.
- Dryads
- Sphinx & Manticores
- Mith
- Faun
- Questionables: Fungi, Imps, Sprangyroos, Aviar?
Would 100% love to see something that ties these guys in!
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Don't forget the ambassador familiars! They include the old six, but also threw in kitsune, manticore, mith, faun, and dyad familiars as beastclan ambassadors! Sphinxes weren't involved in that, but they seem to have a social structure like other beastclan according to tooltips (maybe even more than mith initially had actually).
I'm excited to see what we may get in the future, though I understand staff needing to rewrite the existing beastclan articles first. Get those handled and out of the way, then go on to the newly-considered beastclan.
Gargouille wrote on 2022-12-14 18:17:49:
Akherus wrote on 2022-12-14 18:00:09:
Ah, might we be seeing Mith, Sphynx, Dryad, and/or others getting some love as well? Didn't realise that they weren't listed with the others on the defunct page but I'd presume they are also sentient cultures as much as the original six that had entries- as well as some others I'm not thinking of at the moment. Not that it is any small amount of lore to work out, I thoroughly expect the other five groupings that RotBC had included details on alone will take some time to revise. But I ever train my eyes to the future.
I didn't even think of this! We've got our 6 official beastclans; Harpies, Longneck, Centaur, Maren, Serthis, and Talonok... but there are still familiars that have very obvious sapient qualities.
- Dryads
- Sphinx & Manticores
- Mith
- Faun
- Questionables: Fungi, Imps, Sprangyroos, Aviar?
Would 100% love to see something that ties these guys in!
I'm excited to see what we may get in the future, though I understand staff needing to rewrite the existing beastclan articles first. Get those handled and out of the way, then go on to the newly-considered beastclan.
[quote name="@Hippotang" date="2022-12-14 18:33:19" ]
I appreciate the ping! But, tbh, I'm still confused. Undel's post doesn't feel relevant to my confusion??? I have no problem with the removal of the colonialism implications, I just got the vibe that battles don't happen anymore in canon, outside of inter-dragon clan battles or fighting shade-touched creatures. I like my lore a lot, but I'm worried I'll have to change it because I really do want to follow the site canon as much as I can. So I'm really just trying to understand if battles still occur, or have occurred in the past, between dragon and beastclan, and beastclan against fellow beastclan. Not necessarily wars, but battles that still end with death on both sides.
It is 100% possible I'm just too tired to comprehend anything properly and should come back to this tomorrow when I've had some sleep ^^' and if future lore additions will answer my questions, I am more than happy to wait!
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I wanted to try and help if you're confused; if my yapping doesnt help at all pls disregard
tho bc above all I am Not The Staff
the line that's been drawn is between War and Conflict; no longer are the dragons and beastclans at war currently, but there are plenty of skirmishes. Think, say, the cold war; there wasn't direct bloodshed/campaign, but there was extreme tension on both sides. Or, if it suits you, the Nature-Plague armistice, where neither side has positive sentiment about the other and getting into scuffles (think Wildclaw dueling) is not uncommon but no one is doing any large-scale invasion or the like. They're at odds without being out to destroy each other.
And it is in fact possible in current lore (to my reading anyway) for isolated pockets to have serious issues with dragon clans, or vice versa; maybe a militant dragon clan destroyed a harpy nesting site, accidentally or on purpose. theres cause for fighting there, but it doesnt have the decades-long, systematic kind of modus operandi that colonialism would.
I think a good rule of thumb to see if your lore is canon compliant would be if it makes sense between dragon clans/elements, or think of each species of beastclan (or genus, I guess, whatever talonok count as) as an elemental nation of a sort. like, individual clans may have enemies/alliances, but it doesn't mean all of their element does. I mean, harpies don't maintain warrior sects for no reason. likewise, intra-beastclan conflict can be canon for similar reasons.
I think on the terms of rewriting your lore though, this may be a bit of a wait-n-see. Namely because staff has said this will be a process, and they're re-working both item descriptions and other beastclan encyclopedia changes; things aren't entirely set in stone at the moment. If you revise something right away, it may be subject to change when next writing update rolls around, so I'd personally hold off on big changes for a bit if it's not troubling you too much.
[edit bc I forgot to ping im sorry but you can ignore this post anyway if you're just more confused/you don't want to respond, nw]
@Hippotang wrote on 2022-12-14 18:33:19:
I appreciate the ping! But, tbh, I'm still confused. Undel's post doesn't feel relevant to my confusion??? I have no problem with the removal of the colonialism implications, I just got the vibe that battles don't happen anymore in canon, outside of inter-dragon clan battles or fighting shade-touched creatures. I like my lore a lot, but I'm worried I'll have to change it because I really do want to follow the site canon as much as I can. So I'm really just trying to understand if battles still occur, or have occurred in the past, between dragon and beastclan, and beastclan against fellow beastclan. Not necessarily wars, but battles that still end with death on both sides.
It is 100% possible I'm just too tired to comprehend anything properly and should come back to this tomorrow when I've had some sleep ^^' and if future lore additions will answer my questions, I am more than happy to wait!
It is 100% possible I'm just too tired to comprehend anything properly and should come back to this tomorrow when I've had some sleep ^^' and if future lore additions will answer my questions, I am more than happy to wait!
tho bc above all I am Not The Staff
the line that's been drawn is between War and Conflict; no longer are the dragons and beastclans at war currently, but there are plenty of skirmishes. Think, say, the cold war; there wasn't direct bloodshed/campaign, but there was extreme tension on both sides. Or, if it suits you, the Nature-Plague armistice, where neither side has positive sentiment about the other and getting into scuffles (think Wildclaw dueling) is not uncommon but no one is doing any large-scale invasion or the like. They're at odds without being out to destroy each other.
And it is in fact possible in current lore (to my reading anyway) for isolated pockets to have serious issues with dragon clans, or vice versa; maybe a militant dragon clan destroyed a harpy nesting site, accidentally or on purpose. theres cause for fighting there, but it doesnt have the decades-long, systematic kind of modus operandi that colonialism would.
I think a good rule of thumb to see if your lore is canon compliant would be if it makes sense between dragon clans/elements, or think of each species of beastclan (or genus, I guess, whatever talonok count as) as an elemental nation of a sort. like, individual clans may have enemies/alliances, but it doesn't mean all of their element does. I mean, harpies don't maintain warrior sects for no reason. likewise, intra-beastclan conflict can be canon for similar reasons.
I think on the terms of rewriting your lore though, this may be a bit of a wait-n-see. Namely because staff has said this will be a process, and they're re-working both item descriptions and other beastclan encyclopedia changes; things aren't entirely set in stone at the moment. If you revise something right away, it may be subject to change when next writing update rolls around, so I'd personally hold off on big changes for a bit if it's not troubling you too much.
[edit bc I forgot to ping im sorry but you can ignore this post anyway if you're just more confused/you don't want to respond, nw]
[quote]...where the players being told dragons—their dragons—are engaging in or engaged in monstrous acts that hold parallels to real world events. And they're supposed to play as these dragon clans and enjoy the game.[/quote]
Sooo, no hope for Warhammer 40k-esque stories anytime soon? /s
More seriously, I doubt there's a way to avoid some real life parallels unless the plot is made like 80's CareBears cartoon.
Eh and meh to this.
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...where the players being told dragons—their dragons—are engaging in or engaged in monstrous acts that hold parallels to real world events. And they're supposed to play as these dragon clans and enjoy the game.
More seriously, I doubt there's a way to avoid some real life parallels unless the plot is made like 80's CareBears cartoon.
Eh and meh to this.
I'm First Nations and had family in residential schools, but I was never bothered by the lore? Until I read this post I never really connected it to colonialism either despite having history and classics degrees, or any real world events. Invasions/etc seemed par for the course for most of history so I never connected it specifically with colonialism the way it seems people were.
I don't know, just my two cents. Never even occurred to me to be upset.
I don't know, just my two cents. Never even occurred to me to be upset.
I'm First Nations and had family in residential schools, but I was never bothered by the lore? Until I read this post I never really connected it to colonialism either despite having history and classics degrees, or any real world events. Invasions/etc seemed par for the course for most of history so I never connected it specifically with colonialism the way it seems people were.
I don't know, just my two cents. Never even occurred to me to be upset.
I don't know, just my two cents. Never even occurred to me to be upset.