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@SuperNinjaDragon

hello hello ! not lookin for critiques but thought id help around if i could join the critique team :0 examples of my art can be seen in my art shop and here if thats needed. not sure where i could classify my art (semi realism ? i think) but im pretty confident in my (digital) human/humanoid/gijinka art and can help a little bit around with anthros.
@SuperNinjaDragon

hello hello ! not lookin for critiques but thought id help around if i could join the critique team :0 examples of my art can be seen in my art shop and here if thats needed. not sure where i could classify my art (semi realism ? i think) but im pretty confident in my (digital) human/humanoid/gijinka art and can help a little bit around with anthros.
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@Zygon Looks like I saw this first, so I'm gonna give you some critique(feel free to ping the others as well). [LIST] [*] First, I notice that the head shape is rather circular - in fact, [u]too circular[/u]. On front view, I think most animals won't have a completely circular look to their head. Here are some examples: [img]https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTL1GoYVV645fEPXBHXEhNhP1dXt6ER5kisMJ1V0-ltCxJ8rlwp.jpg[/img] [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ErFnolNz1P8/UQrK9E5l30I/AAAAAAAABJ0/e5nAlXs87iU/s1600/eagle+face+front+20130118+LRW.jpg[/img] [*] The neck makes it look like there is a budge on the fae's head. You should probably remove the 'budge'. I'm not good at explaining, so here are some pics: [img]http://imgur.com/eBegu4H.png[/img] If you can't read my writing, just ask me and I'll explain :) [*] I think more [b]shading[/b] can be added in several areas of the fae (under the head, on the head, on the fins, etc. - where light can't reach) and [b]lighting [/b](on the top of stuff - where light hits) to give a better feeling of depth. Some [b]highlights[/b] on the beads of the headpiece would also look nice. [*] You said the background is faux transparent - is this intentional or are you unable to make the background transparent? [/LIST] I think you drew the fae really well :D I can't draw anything on front view for my life - keep it up :3
@Zygon
Looks like I saw this first, so I'm gonna give you some critique(feel free to ping the others as well).
  • First, I notice that the head shape is rather circular - in fact, too circular. On front view, I think most animals won't have a completely circular look to their head. Here are some examples:
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTL1GoYVV645fEPXBHXEhNhP1dXt6ER5kisMJ1V0-ltCxJ8rlwp.jpg
    eagle+face+front+20130118+LRW.jpg
  • The neck makes it look like there is a budge on the fae's head. You should probably remove the 'budge'. I'm not good at explaining, so here are some pics:
    eBegu4H.png
    If you can't read my writing, just ask me and I'll explain :)
  • I think more shading can be added in several areas of the fae (under the head, on the head, on the fins, etc. - where light can't reach) and lighting (on the top of stuff - where light hits) to give a better feeling of depth. Some highlights on the beads of the headpiece would also look nice.
  • You said the background is faux transparent - is this intentional or are you unable to make the background transparent?
I think you drew the fae really well :D I can't draw anything on front view for my life - keep it up :3
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@superninjadragon or @razu
Aaa this is gonna be so helpful! Would you mind checking out this one? It's my latest commission and I was going for a semi realistic semi cartoony style (if you check my art shop I'm mainly have a cartoon cute like style so I wanted to merge it a little.) Gotta admit that th crystal gene on him wasn't done well tho.
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Also interested on this gal here since only recently have u been doing humans more.
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@superninjadragon or @razu
Aaa this is gonna be so helpful! Would you mind checking out this one? It's my latest commission and I was going for a semi realistic semi cartoony style (if you check my art shop I'm mainly have a cartoon cute like style so I wanted to merge it a little.) Gotta admit that th crystal gene on him wasn't done well tho.
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Also interested on this gal here since only recently have u been doing humans more.
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@Kirby7277 hi, im not one of the mods, so im not gonna critique, but there is a way to do gradients in ms paint! :) (sorry to the team for the huge pictures that are... not gonna be critiqued?) (click the images to see the bigger version) first u make a canvas with a diagonal split! if u wanna add more colors u can, just keep it diagonal :) [url=http://orig06.deviantart.net/4c1e/f/2017/108/8/e/1_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69esb.png][img]http://img12.deviantart.net/cb84/i/2017/108/2/a/1_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69esb.png[/img][/url] & then u resize the picture to 1 pixel wide. make sure to uncheck the keep aspect ratio thing though, or the height will change too and u dont want that [url=http://orig15.deviantart.net/d9af/f/2017/108/1/a/2_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69ew3.png][img]http://img10.deviantart.net/078c/i/2017/108/3/2/2_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69ew3.png[/img][/url] & then just resize the width again to like 1000pixels or something [url=http://orig09.deviantart.net/893f/f/2017/108/f/5/3_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69es8.png][img]http://img00.deviantart.net/9755/i/2017/108/5/2/3_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69es8.png[/img][/url] say hi to ur new gradient! :) [url=http://orig06.deviantart.net/9cfe/f/2017/108/a/c/4_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69es6.png][img]http://img00.deviantart.net/8c74/i/2017/108/a/3/4_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69es6.png[/img][/url] and then to slot it into your drawing: u draw the thing, and then color the thing u want to be a gradient in a color that does not show up anywhere in the other parts of the drawing also, select that color in your secondary color. thats important. [url=http://orig02.deviantart.net/d99d/f/2017/108/4/0/5_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69es2.png][img]http://img05.deviantart.net/2d8b/i/2017/108/d/d/5_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69es2.png[/img][/url] check transparent selection [url=http://orig13.deviantart.net/3e16/f/2017/108/8/4/6_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69erw.png][img]http://img10.deviantart.net/ed1a/i/2017/108/9/6/6_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69erw.png[/img][/url] resize the gradient to fit properly if u want a clearer gradient in a smaller area and drag the drawing over the gradient (the secondary color is the color "transparent selection" will deem to make transparent) [url=http://orig12.deviantart.net/8de0/f/2017/108/5/1/7_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69err.png][img]http://img03.deviantart.net/e260/i/2017/108/f/f/7_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69err.png[/img][/url] & after that you can just select + delete the rest :) i know u said its a huge "no", but it is possible. its just a bit more fiddly. of course, u can just ignore me if u dont want any gradients at all in ur art, haha :) itll only work for horizontal / vertical gradients, though, since ms paint doesnt allow rotation in smaller amounts than 90 degrees shading it on the other hand is a "hahaha no ur kidding me right", but its alright in flatcolors :)
@Kirby7277 hi, im not one of the mods, so im not gonna critique, but there is a way to do gradients in ms paint! :) (sorry to the team for the huge pictures that are... not gonna be critiqued?)

(click the images to see the bigger version)
first u make a canvas with a diagonal split! if u wanna add more colors u can, just keep it diagonal :)
1_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69esb.png
& then u resize the picture to 1 pixel wide. make sure to uncheck the keep aspect ratio thing though, or the height will change too and u dont want that
2_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69ew3.png
& then just resize the width again to like 1000pixels or something
3_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69es8.png
say hi to ur new gradient! :)
4_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69es6.png

and then to slot it into your drawing:

u draw the thing, and then color the thing u want to be a gradient in a color that does not show up anywhere in the other parts of the drawing
also, select that color in your secondary color. thats important.
5_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69es2.png
check transparent selection
6_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69erw.png
resize the gradient to fit properly if u want a clearer gradient in a smaller area
and drag the drawing over the gradient
(the secondary color is the color "transparent selection" will deem to make transparent)
7_by_odi_odi_odi_odi-db69err.png
& after that you can just select + delete the rest :)

i know u said its a huge "no", but it is possible. its just a bit more fiddly. of course, u can just ignore me if u dont want any gradients at all in ur art, haha :) itll only work for horizontal / vertical gradients, though, since ms paint doesnt allow rotation in smaller amounts than 90 degrees
shading it on the other hand is a "hahaha no ur kidding me right", but its alright in flatcolors :)
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[sub][color=4d4b4f]wip wipwip i'll get back to this later hi (again) i'll probably touch more on the human piece, but i'll try my best on the dragon one! :^D [b]light, shading & color[/b] when you're (cross)hatching mind the direction of the light, but also the surface area of the object (i'd advise against using a hatch perpendicular to the flow of the hair since it doesn't add to the flow, nor the volume of it) avoid shading with a pure darker tone of the base color (or black), instead go for some variation in hue/saturation when looking at the hair and the fluffy part of the dress (god behold i actually have no idea what that thing is called) there doesn't seem to be a clear light source for both of them [img]http://i.imgur.com/bqROjMv.png[/img] the hair implies it's coming from the top right, whereas the fluff has light coming from many different angles (bottom left and right, middle right and left) also be careful when adding highlights to hair, shading them like you would shade a simple plane will make them look flat, instead try and think of them as many different strings: only some of them catch light (even when they are relatively exposed to the light source) while others will be darker [img]http://i.imgur.com/e95wjlf.png[/img] it's pretty messy but i hope you know what i'm getting at! ((last thing: i believe it's just a cropping mistake, but having the litte tip of the hair cropped out feels very weird and gives some sort of incomplete feeling (?) )) [b]notes on first picture:[/b] i'm not sure if you were going for a profile view (you can see his belly and there's no strong perspective on the face) or a back view (both ears and antlers are visible), but i'll critique this one from a profile perspective since that's the more common one - there isn't much hue variation -> don't be afraid to go for more color (or colored light/shadows), especially in crystal/facet - towards the bottom part some of the lines get very shaky and pretty thick ( remember that line weight is usually used the create flow and support the lighting of the overall piece: i.e lines that are exposed to light are thinner and parts that lie in the shaow are thicker) - the shape of the antlers is not quite clear when seeing everything from a profile view [img]http://i.imgur.com/qePCFuZ.png[/img] (( > you either have to commit to a back or profile view otherwise things will look very skewed and bent )) [b]anatomy[/b] [img]http://i.imgur.com/MQFt9r0.png[/img] i'll probably not say that much about anatomy, mostly the eye placement was throwing me off a little (i actually struggled with the same thing not too long ago;;) try to draw from some 3/4 views from reference or try dividing the face into different planes i think that'll help a lot c: [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/cc/1951130/34#post_26290328]i already talked about dividing the face into planes a little in this post if you'd like more information on that![/url] (#general tips on face layout) other things that i've noticed are: - parts of the arm and the hand itself are very small/thin - muscles at the neck are angled wrong, i haven't really found a good reference for the position of her neck, regardless i think [url=https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c3/2a/19/c32a194012f37e72fd3d43666fb5ed57.jpg]this [/url] or [url=http://www.jouefct.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Neck-Muscles-Anatomy-and-neck-chewing-and-swallowing-speech-facial-expressions-and-movement-of-the-eyes.jpg]this [/url] could help you out a little (: yeah hopefully this was helpful to you, let me know if you have any questions and keep on drawing <3
wip wipwip i'll get back to this later

hi (again) i'll probably touch more on the human piece, but i'll try my best on the dragon one! :^D

light, shading & color
when you're (cross)hatching mind the direction of the light, but also the surface area of the object (i'd advise against using a hatch perpendicular to the flow of the hair since it doesn't add to the flow, nor the volume of it)
avoid shading with a pure darker tone of the base color (or black), instead go for some variation in hue/saturation
when looking at the hair and the fluffy part of the dress (god behold i actually have no idea what that thing is called) there doesn't seem to be a clear light source for both of them
bqROjMv.png
the hair implies it's coming from the top right, whereas the fluff has light coming from many different angles (bottom left and right, middle right and left)

also be careful when adding highlights to hair, shading them like you would shade a simple plane will make them look flat, instead try and think of them as many different strings: only some of them catch light (even when they are relatively exposed to the light source) while others will be darker
e95wjlf.png
it's pretty messy but i hope you know what i'm getting at!

((last thing: i believe it's just a cropping mistake, but having the litte tip of the hair cropped out feels very weird and gives some sort of incomplete feeling (?) ))

notes on first picture:
i'm not sure if you were going for a profile view (you can see his belly and there's no strong perspective on the face) or a back view (both ears and antlers are visible), but i'll critique this one from a profile perspective since that's the more common one
- there isn't much hue variation -> don't be afraid to go for more color (or colored light/shadows), especially in crystal/facet
- towards the bottom part some of the lines get very shaky and pretty thick ( remember that line weight is usually used the create flow and support the lighting of the overall piece: i.e lines that are exposed to light are thinner and parts that lie in the shaow are thicker)
- the shape of the antlers is not quite clear when seeing everything from a profile view
qePCFuZ.png
(( > you either have to commit to a back or profile view otherwise things will look very skewed and bent ))


anatomy

MQFt9r0.png

i'll probably not say that much about anatomy, mostly the eye placement was throwing me off a little (i actually struggled with the same thing not too long ago;;) try to draw from some 3/4 views from reference or try dividing the face into different planes i think that'll help a lot c: i already talked about dividing the face into planes a little in this post if you'd like more information on that! (#general tips on face layout)

other things that i've noticed are:
- parts of the arm and the hand itself are very small/thin
- muscles at the neck are angled wrong, i haven't really found a good reference for the position of her neck, regardless i think this or this could help you out a little (:

yeah hopefully this was helpful to you, let me know if you have any questions and keep on drawing <3
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@razu
Aaa thank you so much! That's very helpful! I wanna say tho, that the imp antlers are just a stylistic choice, I purposely make em not the same lmao (I even had one that had candles at the tips lmao), anyways! I'll totally take all the advice! I really learned a lot from the human critique. I struggle a lot with lighting t.t and yeah, that's a msjtake, the cropping thing, my all did something to it that cut it short.

Anyways, would you mind critiquing more of these cause damn it's so detailed and I still have much to learn!
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@razu
Aaa thank you so much! That's very helpful! I wanna say tho, that the imp antlers are just a stylistic choice, I purposely make em not the same lmao (I even had one that had candles at the tips lmao), anyways! I'll totally take all the advice! I really learned a lot from the human critique. I struggle a lot with lighting t.t and yeah, that's a msjtake, the cropping thing, my all did something to it that cut it short.

Anyways, would you mind critiquing more of these cause damn it's so detailed and I still have much to learn!
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@Joydom ah i haven't actually proof read it yet (thus no ping), but i'm glad it was understandable anyway haha! :')
thank you for the kind words i'll probably get back to them later this week hope that's alright with you <3
@Joydom ah i haven't actually proof read it yet (thus no ping), but i'm glad it was understandable anyway haha! :')
thank you for the kind words i'll probably get back to them later this week hope that's alright with you <3
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@NullE

I'm going to do a critique for you once I get home from school!
@NullE

I'm going to do a critique for you once I get home from school!
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@Razu & @AboveCloud I only recently started drawing dragons, so I am still struggling to draw/paint them in a way that makes me happy :C I like the challenge they give me colour wise but I struggle with their anatomy, even when I try to use real animals as reference. So any constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated! <3 I guess I am trying to go for a painterly style with minimal lineart? [img]https://68.media.tumblr.com/59bb5e296bda783c58dee2b099cb985d/tumblr_onyodrzw2s1rwb2t2o1_540.jpg[/img] [img]https://68.media.tumblr.com/03ce0519384a22be2499e3460a5d292c/tumblr_on4ct7Bp4l1rwb2t2o1_540.jpg[/img]
@Razu & @AboveCloud I only recently started drawing dragons, so I am still struggling to draw/paint them in a way that makes me happy :C I like the challenge they give me colour wise but I struggle with their anatomy, even when I try to use real animals as reference. So any constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated! <3
I guess I am trying to go for a painterly style with minimal lineart?


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@razu @AboveClouds Okay so I'm here because I go through this thread sometimes since the critique that's given out is super helpful and detailed :3 I'd just like to know what I can improve on in my latest piece that I finished literally a few minutes ago because I notice some(?) things are off but it's usually my inability to get angles and things like that symmetrical. I acknowledge that I need to work on my expressions (she's staring into your soul) xD (click on the pic if you want the full image, I did it on an A4 canvas because it's my default :p) [url=http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt219/zevy__/cd6943ee-268a-4eca-9f29-b5fcb02d87b9_zpsw22wuxo0.png][img]https://68.media.tumblr.com/95d04647aabed7e6a2a03ee718e47f01/tumblr_ooqlikVpwx1wncxhxo1_540.png[/img][/url] I constructively criticise my work often but my friends aren't able to help with it due to them not really being as technical about art(?) so I'd enjoy a second opinion :3 [size=2]p.s I'm a sensitive cinnamon roll and I'm kind of sheltered so please don't be too harsh ;n; although I know this thread is for harsh critique and I've come here to try to prepare myself for the real world one day[/size] Edit: I'm not sure if I classify my style as realism or semi-realism...? But preferentially, I lean more toward a semi-realistic painterly style so I suppose that's what this can be critiqued as ^^
@razu @AboveClouds

Okay so I'm here because I go through this thread sometimes since the critique that's given out is super helpful and detailed :3

I'd just like to know what I can improve on in my latest piece that I finished literally a few minutes ago because I notice some(?) things are off but it's usually my inability to get angles and things like that symmetrical. I acknowledge that I need to work on my expressions (she's staring into your soul) xD

(click on the pic if you want the full image, I did it on an A4 canvas because it's my default :p)
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I constructively criticise my work often but my friends aren't able to help with it due to them not really being as technical about art(?) so I'd enjoy a second opinion :3

p.s I'm a sensitive cinnamon roll and I'm kind of sheltered so please don't be too harsh ;n; although I know this thread is for harsh critique and I've come here to try to prepare myself for the real world one day

Edit: I'm not sure if I classify my style as realism or semi-realism...? But preferentially, I lean more toward a semi-realistic painterly style so I suppose that's what this can be critiqued as ^^
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