Hey there! Before I found your post I was preparing to start a breeding project but only had a handful of guides that all kinda said the same thing (breed/gene rarities and how the color system works) instead of actually going into the process of how to make a dream baby lol. Although these guides were useful at first, they only went so far, so thank you for going so in-depth!!
I have a question, however.
I found your guide, I went and bought a pair dragons that are almost exactly my desired colors (copper/terracotta/bronze) both of them are only one off each (copper/terracotta/chocolate and copper/chocolate/bronze). They're also the correct breed (Imperial).
I was originally planning to buy the genes I wanted, because that seemed to be easier, but after checking the price for gem genes I realized there's no way I could save up for them unless I bought some gems and I don't really want to do that unless I have to.
I also have some dragons that all have the correct genes or are one-offs, but they have wide color ranges (with my desired colors in most of them) and one or two of them are different breeds (but are less likely or have the same probability to be passed down as Imp).
My question is are the first pair with the correct colors a fluke and should I just put them aside and start a pyramid project with the others? One of them already has one of the desired genes (Opal) but other than that all the other genes are Limited and not Rare. I didn't realize how important having the same type or higher genes was until now, and I was wondering if it would be even worth trying to breed with them?
Thanks!
Hey there! Before I found your post I was preparing to start a breeding project but only had a handful of guides that all kinda said the same thing (breed/gene rarities and how the color system works) instead of actually going into the process of how to make a dream baby lol. Although these guides were useful at first, they only went so far, so thank you for going so in-depth!!
I have a question, however.
I found your guide, I went and bought a pair dragons that are almost exactly my desired colors (copper/terracotta/bronze) both of them are only one off each (copper/terracotta/chocolate and copper/chocolate/bronze). They're also the correct breed (Imperial).
I was originally planning to buy the genes I wanted, because that seemed to be easier, but after checking the price for gem genes I realized there's no way I could save up for them unless I bought some gems and I don't really want to do that unless I have to.
I also have some dragons that all have the correct genes or are one-offs, but they have wide color ranges (with my desired colors in most of them) and one or two of them are different breeds (but are less likely or have the same probability to be passed down as Imp).
My question is are the first pair with the correct colors a fluke and should I just put them aside and start a pyramid project with the others? One of them already has one of the desired genes (Opal) but other than that all the other genes are Limited and not Rare. I didn't realize how important having the same type or higher genes was until now, and I was wondering if it would be even worth trying to breed with them?
Thanks!
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Sociopathix, the trouble with anything vs the Rare tier of breed/genes, is that, at most (with Limited), you get just a 3% chance to get a Rare gene. On average, that's just 1 in 33 babies that'll get a single rare trait, and when you're trying to breed for multiple of them, it becomes next to impossible. (1 in 1089 for 2, and 1 in 35,937 for all 3 Rare genes on the same baby, vs Limited).
If you can save up the gems for the genes, the pair you bought would be sufficient, but it sounds like the genes are definitely outside your budget. The cheaper (but slower) method would be to use the long-range dragons that have the right gem genes (or other gem genes to breed against, as Rare vs Rare is a much nicer 50% chance, or 1 in 2.)
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Sociopathix, the trouble with anything vs the Rare tier of breed/genes, is that, at most (with Limited), you get just a 3% chance to get a Rare gene. On average, that's just 1 in 33 babies that'll get a single rare trait, and when you're trying to breed for multiple of them, it becomes next to impossible. (1 in 1089 for 2, and 1 in 35,937 for all 3 Rare genes on the same baby, vs Limited).
If you can save up the gems for the genes, the pair you bought would be sufficient, but it sounds like the genes are definitely outside your budget. The cheaper (but slower) method would be to use the long-range dragons that have the right gem genes (or other gem genes to breed against, as Rare vs Rare is a much nicer 50% chance, or 1 in 2.)
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Ganondorf, yeah that's the answer I was expecting. Thank you for the affirmation!
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Ganondorf, yeah that's the answer I was expecting. Thank you for the affirmation!
This is a great guide! I fluked into getting super close with my first breeding project which I threw myself into with very little planning, but I will definitely be using the pyramid method to finish it up and to work on my second project.
I'm aiming for this with my second project and already seeing what you mean about non-rare genes being harder! I'm also running into lots of dragons having the colour scheme I want, but the p/s/t mixed up.
[img]https://www1.flightrising.com/dgen/preview/dragon?age=1&body=176&bodygene=9&breed=6&element=3&eyetype=0&gender=1&tert=111&tertgene=6&winggene=10&wings=6&auth=749b48bb60c00deab9d66e10a15daf52cf8f9f40&dummyext=prev.png[/img]
This is a great guide! I fluked into getting super close with my first breeding project which I threw myself into with very little planning, but I will definitely be using the pyramid method to finish it up and to work on my second project.
I'm aiming for this with my second project and already seeing what you mean about non-rare genes being harder! I'm also running into lots of dragons having the colour scheme I want, but the p/s/t mixed up.
Would a method work where you
1. bought a pair
2. selected the best baby
3. got a mate for that baby
4. selected the best baby from those
and so on?
like
[img]https://i.imgur.com/tbgKUN2.png[/img]
sorry the drawing's so bad lol
Would a method work where you
1. bought a pair
2. selected the best baby
3. got a mate for that baby
4. selected the best baby from those
and so on?
like
sorry the drawing's so bad lol
Do you have any tips for breeding in regards to ancient breeds? I had a breeding project (I was lucky and it is now completed) with my end goal being a banescale. However, there weren't many (if any) banescales in that color range so I ended up using modern breeds. I will be breed changing the hatchling to banescale and buying the genes. Is this really my only option for breeding ancients in order to get a specific color range?
The project is cataloged here if you are curious:
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/drs/2863613/1
Do you have any tips for breeding in regards to ancient breeds? I had a breeding project (I was lucky and it is now completed) with my end goal being a banescale. However, there weren't many (if any) banescales in that color range so I ended up using modern breeds. I will be breed changing the hatchling to banescale and buying the genes. Is this really my only option for breeding ancients in order to get a specific color range?
The project is cataloged here if you are curious:
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/drs/2863613/1
@/gamingcookie yes, assuming you can find good mates for them. That works very well in colour ranges that have a huge selection of unrelated dragons. If you want something rare, though, it'll be a challenge to find good mates, and that's why I do the pyramid plan - I essentially
make the mates.
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fluteloops0329 I am actually embarking on my first Gaoler project, and I gotta say, it's really rough. I am attempting to get the Gaoler with at least Wasp/x/Blossom, and so far, I've had to both use the pyramid method with
very far colours - many of the starter pairs I've assembled have ranges that span half of the colour wheel - and also requested a few breedings from very close dragons. (I am fortunate that this particular project actually had close dragons.) That project is still in progress, but once it is done and I've had a taste of breeding Ancients, I intend to add more information to the guide on the Ancient breeds.
@/gamingcookie yes, assuming you can find good mates for them. That works very well in colour ranges that have a huge selection of unrelated dragons. If you want something rare, though, it'll be a challenge to find good mates, and that's why I do the pyramid plan - I essentially
make the mates.
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fluteloops0329 I am actually embarking on my first Gaoler project, and I gotta say, it's really rough. I am attempting to get the Gaoler with at least Wasp/x/Blossom, and so far, I've had to both use the pyramid method with
very far colours - many of the starter pairs I've assembled have ranges that span half of the colour wheel - and also requested a few breedings from very close dragons. (I am fortunate that this particular project actually had close dragons.) That project is still in progress, but once it is done and I've had a taste of breeding Ancients, I intend to add more information to the guide on the Ancient breeds.
Oh, this is really neat! Seems like it could be super helpful. I'm lazily trying to do a few breeding projects. We'll see if they manage to go anywhere. I was lucky enough with their ranges that it shouldn't be too hard.
Oh, this is really neat! Seems like it could be super helpful. I'm lazily trying to do a few breeding projects. We'll see if they manage to go anywhere. I was lucky enough with their ranges that it shouldn't be too hard.
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ganondorf how would you go about getting two identical dream dragons that can breed with each other?
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ganondorf how would you go about getting two identical dream dragons that can breed with each other?
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Fussyraptor, depends on difficulty. If there's a good selection from the AH, I would do a pyramid plan with the goal being that the final pair
are the identical dream dragons, instead of just being really close. That might require starting further back a generation (eg, if you would normally do an 8-pair start to get a single dragon, then a 16-pair start would be needed for a pair).
If the breeding project is so difficult to get one dragon that I need a 16 pair start, and therefore for two I think I need 32 pairs, it's actually possible to stick with just 16 pairs, because the final kids from a 16 pair start will be unrelated to the original 16 pairs. What I would do in this case is set up two separate projects, with the same 16 dragons as the starter pairs for each - once they've bred a suitable second generation pair for the first project, they and any remaining kids get moved to the second project. The critical piece to this is once you have the second generation of these identical projects, you do
not breed the dragons from one project to dragons from the other, to ensure that the identical final kids will be unrelated to each other.
That... would take a lot of organization to pull off, but that would my approach to getting a dream pair that's particularly difficult to find. I do plan to include it as additional information at some point.
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Fussyraptor, depends on difficulty. If there's a good selection from the AH, I would do a pyramid plan with the goal being that the final pair
are the identical dream dragons, instead of just being really close. That might require starting further back a generation (eg, if you would normally do an 8-pair start to get a single dragon, then a 16-pair start would be needed for a pair).
If the breeding project is so difficult to get one dragon that I need a 16 pair start, and therefore for two I think I need 32 pairs, it's actually possible to stick with just 16 pairs, because the final kids from a 16 pair start will be unrelated to the original 16 pairs. What I would do in this case is set up two separate projects, with the same 16 dragons as the starter pairs for each - once they've bred a suitable second generation pair for the first project, they and any remaining kids get moved to the second project. The critical piece to this is once you have the second generation of these identical projects, you do
not breed the dragons from one project to dragons from the other, to ensure that the identical final kids will be unrelated to each other.
That... would take a lot of organization to pull off, but that would my approach to getting a dream pair that's particularly difficult to find. I do plan to include it as additional information at some point.