also everyone remember to check your flight's dom forum and sign up for any pinglists, etc so when you do push you're ready to help out. [emoji=new friend size=1]
i'd love to see more personal rewards for exalting. a shop with unique apparel, familiars, and so on.
also everyone remember to check your flight's dom forum and sign up for any pinglists, etc so when you do push you're ready to help out.
i'd love to see more personal rewards for exalting. a shop with unique apparel, familiars, and so on.
[quote name="Jessyta" date="2021-01-26 13:11:57" ]
[quote name="Thunderbird" date="2021-01-26 12:58:33" ]
I think something that we as players can do is to do in-flight only pushes. No outside support. The it would really be Flight X v. Flight Y instead of Flight X + everyone going after the KS item v. Flight Y + everyone going after the limited time UMA prints. Of course you will always have players who source out to other flights, but I think in-flight only might make things more fair.
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It's REALLY hard to do in-flight only pushes and still beat out the powerhouses
One of the only times that a flight said that they were going to conquest push but did everything in flight, they ended up getting passed on the board by... you guessed it.. Earth. Earth has so many people that earn their money by exalting, if other flights do not give them a reason to send dragons to them, they will exalt themselves and climb the board (which is exactly what we are seeing this week!).
And even if a flight does not have official OOF buys/raffles, if they make a good in-flight raffle, it is literally impossible to prevent individuals from using mercs to get OOF support. And if it's a flight vs flight battle, a good in flight raffle is almost mandatory... because the main problem with dom is that the rewards are not worth what it costs to win when 2 flights decided to push.
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I get what you're saying, but if we made this a community standard, that would put flight-hosted mercs out of business. Then you would just have "dealers" in the forums trying to sell leveled fodder. If enough of the community was against it, it would be a lot harder to get away with.
I think we have yet to have someone try to cheat by hacking in levels or something... I think we can put trust into the community to be better. And the whole Earth thing is fair I think, because Earth is essentially doing an in-flight push every week. If a flight can't beat Earth in-flight, then that's how it is.
There really is no easy answer :/
Jessyta wrote on 2021-01-26 13:11:57:
Thunderbird wrote on 2021-01-26 12:58:33:
I think something that we as players can do is to do in-flight only pushes. No outside support. The it would really be Flight X v. Flight Y instead of Flight X + everyone going after the KS item v. Flight Y + everyone going after the limited time UMA prints. Of course you will always have players who source out to other flights, but I think in-flight only might make things more fair.
It's REALLY hard to do in-flight only pushes and still beat out the powerhouses
One of the only times that a flight said that they were going to conquest push but did everything in flight, they ended up getting passed on the board by... you guessed it.. Earth. Earth has so many people that earn their money by exalting, if other flights do not give them a reason to send dragons to them, they will exalt themselves and climb the board (which is exactly what we are seeing this week!).
And even if a flight does not have official OOF buys/raffles, if they make a good in-flight raffle, it is literally impossible to prevent individuals from using mercs to get OOF support. And if it's a flight vs flight battle, a good in flight raffle is almost mandatory... because the main problem with dom is that the rewards are not worth what it costs to win when 2 flights decided to push.
I get what you're saying, but if we made this a community standard, that would put flight-hosted mercs out of business. Then you would just have "dealers" in the forums trying to sell leveled fodder. If enough of the community was against it, it would be a lot harder to get away with.
I think we have yet to have someone try to cheat by hacking in levels or something... I think we can put trust into the community to be better. And the whole Earth thing is fair I think, because Earth is essentially doing an in-flight push every week. If a flight can't beat Earth in-flight, then that's how it is.
There really is no easy answer :/
[quote name="Jessyta" date="2021-01-26 12:47:33" ]
I have high hopes Water will be able to beat Earth later this year when they face off.
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we have until august to make this happen :))
I agree that there needs to be some sort of change- even possibly some different rewards which may make certain flights more likely to push. I personally find dom battles incredibly exciting, but now they are few and far between simply due to the toll that it takes on the pushing flights. (aka: if you want your flight to get dom more often donate to the dom bank)
Earth is simply a smaller flight that has attracted a large number of people who exalt a lot, it seems to be part of their culture in ways it may not be for other flights. These factors lead to them being a dom powerhouse in the current setup, but I am interested to see what will happen going forwards.
Jessyta wrote on 2021-01-26 12:47:33:
I have high hopes Water will be able to beat Earth later this year when they face off.
we have until august to make this happen :))
I agree that there needs to be some sort of change- even possibly some different rewards which may make certain flights more likely to push. I personally find dom battles incredibly exciting, but now they are few and far between simply due to the toll that it takes on the pushing flights. (aka: if you want your flight to get dom more often donate to the dom bank)
Earth is simply a smaller flight that has attracted a large number of people who exalt a lot, it seems to be part of their culture in ways it may not be for other flights. These factors lead to them being a dom powerhouse in the current setup, but I am interested to see what will happen going forwards.
here's a solution i like that no one is going to read: make dom efforts an opt-in/opt-out thing! all you'll have to do as a player is mark your account as active in dominance (probably with a lil toggle switch in account settings) or just have a system in place that only counts accounts in the flights in theyre both active (fed/logged in within 2 weeks- i cant remember which it is) and actively exalting (exalted a dragon with 2 weeks). that way accounts like mine who don't take part in dom arent counted towards dom efforts, negating the efforts of the people in my flight who actually take part and push. it's probably not a feasible solution implementation wise, but i think it'd go a long way towards balancing out the rest of the flights with earth
here's a solution i like that no one is going to read: make dom efforts an opt-in/opt-out thing! all you'll have to do as a player is mark your account as active in dominance (probably with a lil toggle switch in account settings) or just have a system in place that only counts accounts in the flights in theyre both active (fed/logged in within 2 weeks- i cant remember which it is) and actively exalting (exalted a dragon with 2 weeks). that way accounts like mine who don't take part in dom arent counted towards dom efforts, negating the efforts of the people in my flight who actually take part and push. it's probably not a feasible solution implementation wise, but i think it'd go a long way towards balancing out the rest of the flights with earth
[quote name="Jessyta" date="2021-01-26 12:47:33" ]
I have high hopes Water will be able to beat Earth later this year when they face off.
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then you better send dragons to us lol
Jessyta wrote on 2021-01-26 12:47:33:
I have high hopes Water will be able to beat Earth later this year when they face off.
then you better send dragons to us lol
Dom changes. As in the community changes dom. Earth has been a top dom flight for maybe 1 - 2 years at this point and before that Light was at the top of its game. If the player base wanted to have a shift then it would happen but a lot of people know that Earth has gotten on top and moved there. That’s part of the reason why I moved to Light about 4 years ago.
I do agree that the dom system could be updated but I don’t see it as an urgency. Do I think Earth will fall off their game with dom, absolutely. That’s what happened before.
Right now Earth is an easy top win, but if you were looking for the challenge against another Flight try Light or Plague (maybe shadow but I can’t really remember) both have large communities and can be a challenge.
I also do find it hard to see how Earth is seen as an unmoving force. Yes, they do get 1st - 3rd place a lot but I’ve seen other flights battle it off before for 1st place. The first week of Night of the Nocturn went to first place Light. Earth definitely was playing their part but they got 2nd that week. I think all flights have a fair chance it just is a matter of motivation.
Dom changes. As in the community changes dom. Earth has been a top dom flight for maybe 1 - 2 years at this point and before that Light was at the top of its game. If the player base wanted to have a shift then it would happen but a lot of people know that Earth has gotten on top and moved there. That’s part of the reason why I moved to Light about 4 years ago.
I do agree that the dom system could be updated but I don’t see it as an urgency. Do I think Earth will fall off their game with dom, absolutely. That’s what happened before.
Right now Earth is an easy top win, but if you were looking for the challenge against another Flight try Light or Plague (maybe shadow but I can’t really remember) both have large communities and can be a challenge.
I also do find it hard to see how Earth is seen as an unmoving force. Yes, they do get 1st - 3rd place a lot but I’ve seen other flights battle it off before for 1st place. The first week of Night of the Nocturn went to first place Light. Earth definitely was playing their part but they got 2nd that week. I think all flights have a fair chance it just is a matter of motivation.
[quote name="Owleics" date="2021-01-26 13:36:01" ]
here's a solution i like that no one is going to read: make dom efforts an opt-in/opt-out thing! all you'll have to do as a player is mark your account as active in dominance (probably with a lil toggle switch in account settings) or just have a system in place that only counts accounts in the flights in theyre both active (fed/logged in within 2 weeks- i cant remember which it is) and actively exalting (exalted a dragon with 2 weeks). that way accounts like mine who don't take part in dom arent counted towards dom efforts, negating the efforts of the people in my flight who actually take part and push. it's probably not a feasible solution implementation wise, but i think it'd go a long way towards balancing out the rest of the flights with earth
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That's easy to cheat though. Toggle on only for a few people, then send all the fodder to them. ta-da, you won!
Owleics wrote on 2021-01-26 13:36:01:
here's a solution i like that no one is going to read: make dom efforts an opt-in/opt-out thing! all you'll have to do as a player is mark your account as active in dominance (probably with a lil toggle switch in account settings) or just have a system in place that only counts accounts in the flights in theyre both active (fed/logged in within 2 weeks- i cant remember which it is) and actively exalting (exalted a dragon with 2 weeks). that way accounts like mine who don't take part in dom arent counted towards dom efforts, negating the efforts of the people in my flight who actually take part and push. it's probably not a feasible solution implementation wise, but i think it'd go a long way towards balancing out the rest of the flights with earth
That's easy to cheat though. Toggle on only for a few people, then send all the fodder to them. ta-da, you won!
I can't be bothered to care about dom because it doesn't affect anything of importance. Maybe if it did, I would.
I can't be bothered to care about dom because it doesn't affect anything of importance. Maybe if it did, I would.
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Owleics
the main argument i've seen against this idea is that it means users can mark themselves as "not exalting" and then funnel their dragons to a couple "is exalting" users, resulting in their flight's ratio being false. (i am not saying you would do this of course!)
it could also lead to users who are exalting, but not exalting "enough," be asked to mark themselves as not and send to larger exalters.
the idea is good but the execution could be difficult.
edit: oops, someone also posted similar right before me. B) but ye!
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Owleics
the main argument i've seen against this idea is that it means users can mark themselves as "not exalting" and then funnel their dragons to a couple "is exalting" users, resulting in their flight's ratio being false. (i am not saying you would do this of course!)
it could also lead to users who are exalting, but not exalting "enough," be asked to mark themselves as not and send to larger exalters.
the idea is good but the execution could be difficult.
edit: oops, someone also posted similar right before me. B) but ye!
[quote name="Thunderbird" date="2021-01-26 13:27:25" ]
[quote name="Jessyta" date="2021-01-26 13:11:57" ]
[quote name="Thunderbird" date="2021-01-26 12:58:33" ]
I think something that we as players can do is to do in-flight only pushes. No outside support. The it would really be Flight X v. Flight Y instead of Flight X + everyone going after the KS item v. Flight Y + everyone going after the limited time UMA prints. Of course you will always have players who source out to other flights, but I think in-flight only might make things more fair.
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It's REALLY hard to do in-flight only pushes and still beat out the powerhouses
One of the only times that a flight said that they were going to conquest push but did everything in flight, they ended up getting passed on the board by... you guessed it.. Earth. Earth has so many people that earn their money by exalting, if other flights do not give them a reason to send dragons to them, they will exalt themselves and climb the board (which is exactly what we are seeing this week!).
And even if a flight does not have official OOF buys/raffles, if they make a good in-flight raffle, it is literally impossible to prevent individuals from using mercs to get OOF support. And if it's a flight vs flight battle, a good in flight raffle is almost mandatory... because the main problem with dom is that the rewards are not worth what it costs to win when 2 flights decided to push.
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I get what you're saying, but if we made this a community standard, that would put flight-hosted mercs out of business. Then you would just have "dealers" in the forums trying to sell leveled fodder. If enough of the community was against it, it would be a lot harder to get away with.
I think we have yet to have someone try to cheat by hacking in levels or something... I think we can put trust into the community to be better. And the whole Earth thing is fair I think, because Earth is essentially doing an in-flight push every week. If a flight can't beat Earth in-flight, then that's how it is.
There really is no easy answer :/
[/quote]Part of the "issue" for lack of a better word is that dominance became a major way for people to make money, and I think there are a lot of people that want to have their cake and eat it too... They want to be able to push and win, even against a flight like Earth.. but they also want to be able to sell their fodder for 15k a dragon when other flights push.
You are right, there is no easy answer... I am not even sure there is anything that staff can do to fix the problem that we, the players, created.
[quote name="blob" date="2021-01-26 13:37:32" ]
[quote name="Jessyta" date="2021-01-26 12:47:33" ]
I have high hopes Water will be able to beat Earth later this year when they face off.
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then you better send dragons to us lol
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Count on it!
Thunderbird wrote on 2021-01-26 13:27:25:
Jessyta wrote on 2021-01-26 13:11:57:
Thunderbird wrote on 2021-01-26 12:58:33:
I think something that we as players can do is to do in-flight only pushes. No outside support. The it would really be Flight X v. Flight Y instead of Flight X + everyone going after the KS item v. Flight Y + everyone going after the limited time UMA prints. Of course you will always have players who source out to other flights, but I think in-flight only might make things more fair.
It's REALLY hard to do in-flight only pushes and still beat out the powerhouses
One of the only times that a flight said that they were going to conquest push but did everything in flight, they ended up getting passed on the board by... you guessed it.. Earth. Earth has so many people that earn their money by exalting, if other flights do not give them a reason to send dragons to them, they will exalt themselves and climb the board (which is exactly what we are seeing this week!).
And even if a flight does not have official OOF buys/raffles, if they make a good in-flight raffle, it is literally impossible to prevent individuals from using mercs to get OOF support. And if it's a flight vs flight battle, a good in flight raffle is almost mandatory... because the main problem with dom is that the rewards are not worth what it costs to win when 2 flights decided to push.
I get what you're saying, but if we made this a community standard, that would put flight-hosted mercs out of business. Then you would just have "dealers" in the forums trying to sell leveled fodder. If enough of the community was against it, it would be a lot harder to get away with.
I think we have yet to have someone try to cheat by hacking in levels or something... I think we can put trust into the community to be better. And the whole Earth thing is fair I think, because Earth is essentially doing an in-flight push every week. If a flight can't beat Earth in-flight, then that's how it is.
There really is no easy answer :/
Part of the "issue" for lack of a better word is that dominance became a major way for people to make money, and I think there are a lot of people that want to have their cake and eat it too... They want to be able to push and win, even against a flight like Earth.. but they also want to be able to sell their fodder for 15k a dragon when other flights push.
You are right, there is no easy answer... I am not even sure there is anything that staff can do to fix the problem that we, the players, created.
blob wrote on 2021-01-26 13:37:32:
Jessyta wrote on 2021-01-26 12:47:33:
I have high hopes Water will be able to beat Earth later this year when they face off.
then you better send dragons to us lol
Count on it!