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[color=red]UPDATE 1/02/20: [b]Hello everybody! Sorry, I think I haven't been clear enough. Since I just slowly phased out of being able to write critique since I was busy but always thought 'I'll come back to it soon' I left the thread as it was. Now I've updated the title with '[closed]' so that it'll be clear I will no longer be writing critique. I should've done this a lot sooner, sorry everybody :( However, I'm planning on getting back to critiquing, making the process a whole lot clearer and cleaner, etc. and will be making a new thread! So stay tuned :3[/b][/color] [quote=INFO][color=#30c2a5][size=4]Hey guys, I feel like being mean and judging people's art today. [b]So post your art below, [/size][size=5][b]tell me what you were aiming for,[/b][/size][size=4] and then I'll critique you.[/b] It's important to tell me what you were aiming for - what happens if you were going for a cartoon style and I just yell "That proportion is wrongs!"[/size][/color][/quote] [s]Remember this is gonna be [b]very harsh[/b] critique, so if you want me to be nicer, write: SJAKN. Sjakn means absolutely nothing but it'll get my attention so I'll remember to be nicer.[/s] [i]EDIT: None of you guys wanted me to be nice! I'm shocked. You guys were way above my skill of drawing = why ask a noob like me to critique you? Anyways, I'm happy to see people want to get critique from someone like me - Thank you to those that went on this thread, planning to, or are reading this now! :D[/i] EDIT: Open and always open till I say so! EDIT: [b]I may critique you and give you advice, but you don't need no listen to everything I say - I can be wrong after all. Don't completely ignore my advice, but don't completely believe it either ;)[/b] [quote=PLEASE READ][size=4] [color=#30c2a5]UPDATE 14th Dec: A Harsh Critique Team has been created! This means that AboveClouds, PrincessParrot and I(SuperNinjaDragon) will be critiquing you all! [u]Please ping [b]one[/b] of us[/u] if you would like some critique! Below are examples of:[/color][/size] [size=4][LIST] [*][size=4]AboveCloud's[url=http://aboveclouds.deviantart.com/gallery/] artworks[/url] [color=red](free)[/color][color=blue] [realism/semi-realism, humans and animals][/color] [/size] [*][size=4]PrincessParrot's [url=http://pinkprincessparrot.tumblr.com/tagged/princessparrotart]drawings[/url] [color=red](free!)[/color][/size] [*][s][size=4]razu's [url=http://razuu.tumblr.com/tagged/razus+art]arts[/url] [color=red](ON HIATUS)[/color] [color=blue][humans and more][/color][/size][/s] Please do not ping for now :) [*][size=4]and Me[size=3][color=red](back to school - a bit busy)[/color][color=blue][Dragons, Traditional (pencil and watercolour/gouache) /Digital (Medibang)][/color][/size] [/LIST] [size=4][color=#30c2a5]I suggest that you choose the person that is the closest to your art goal for the best critique :)[/color][/size] [/quote] [b]UPDATE: 17th March 2017:[/b] razu is now a proud member of the Harsh Critique Team! Woohoo!
UPDATE 1/02/20: Hello everybody! Sorry, I think I haven't been clear enough.

Since I just slowly phased out of being able to write critique since I was busy but always thought 'I'll come back to it soon' I left the thread as it was.

Now I've updated the title with '[closed]' so that it'll be clear I will no longer be writing critique. I should've done this a lot sooner, sorry everybody :(

However, I'm planning on getting back to critiquing, making the process a whole lot clearer and cleaner, etc. and will be making a new thread! So stay tuned :3


INFO wrote:
Hey guys, I feel like being mean and judging people's art today. So post your art below, tell me what you were aiming for, and then I'll critique you. It's important to tell me what you were aiming for - what happens if you were going for a cartoon style and I just yell "That proportion is wrongs!"

Remember this is gonna be very harsh critique, so if you want me to be nicer, write: SJAKN. Sjakn means absolutely nothing but it'll get my attention so I'll remember to be nicer.
EDIT: None of you guys wanted me to be nice! I'm shocked.
You guys were way above my skill of drawing = why ask a noob like me to critique you? Anyways, I'm happy to see people want to get critique from someone like me - Thank you to those that went on this thread, planning to, or are reading this now! :D

EDIT: Open and always open till I say so!
EDIT: I may critique you and give you advice, but you don't need no listen to everything I say - I can be wrong after all. Don't completely ignore my advice, but don't completely believe it either ;)

PLEASE READ wrote:

UPDATE 14th Dec:
A Harsh Critique Team has been created! This means that AboveClouds, PrincessParrot and I(SuperNinjaDragon) will be critiquing you all! Please ping one of us if you would like some critique! Below are examples of:

  • AboveCloud's artworks (free) [realism/semi-realism, humans and animals]
  • PrincessParrot's drawings (free!)
  • razu's arts (ON HIATUS) [humans and more] Please do not ping for now :)
  • and Me(back to school - a bit busy)[Dragons, Traditional (pencil and watercolour/gouache) /Digital (Medibang)]
I suggest that you choose the person that is the closest to your art goal for the best critique :)


UPDATE: 17th March 2017: razu is now a proud member of the Harsh Critique Team! Woohoo!
@SuperNinjaDragon girl give me your worst, even if its minor, give me hell!! what i was going for: a flower monster girl with a funky pattern to her. oh and the petals are meant to have eyes [img]http://orig06.deviantart.net/a349/f/2016/189/c/3/temptress_by_defendthemushrooms-da97uit.png[/img] and lets double up cause my masochism says i need this. what i was going for: a pixel art of a water fairy [img]http://orig13.deviantart.net/2965/f/2016/188/6/d/tiny_irma_by_defendthemushrooms-da92uyk.png[/img]
@SuperNinjaDragon
girl give me your worst, even if its minor, give me hell!!

what i was going for: a flower monster girl with a funky pattern to her. oh and the petals are meant to have eyes
temptress_by_defendthemushrooms-da97uit.png

and lets double up cause my masochism says i need this.

what i was going for: a pixel art of a water fairy
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@SuperNinjaDragon
http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/cc/1941118

Just gonna leave this here >.> Second link is what matters most! I was going for an oriental/western style gijinka. Be as harsh as you can!
@SuperNinjaDragon
http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/cc/1941118

Just gonna leave this here >.> Second link is what matters most! I was going for an oriental/western style gijinka. Be as harsh as you can!
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@SuperNinjaDragon Don't even hesitate on mine: [img]http://67.media.tumblr.com/1eb635913a9a09834fdf2d6ad1f49354/tumblr_o91ph59F0n1umvgj4o3_400.jpg[/img] Just going for a kind of painted-style digital art for my Arcane rep, Stargazer. :3c
@SuperNinjaDragon

Don't even hesitate on mine:

tumblr_o91ph59F0n1umvgj4o3_400.jpg

Just going for a kind of painted-style digital art for my Arcane rep, Stargazer. :3c
@SuperNinjaDragon Any critique helps us greatly so here is a few of our art, so we can figure out what we are doing wrong. Since we are never able to sell commissions easily for art stalls. Sorry for the amount.....but I have tried getting critique from people on these, and it is hard to get anything honest.... [img]https://67.media.tumblr.com/557468d26c35c52a583808a29d5ceb73/tumblr_o8ddq8kFro1urbillo1_540.jpg[/img] A chaotic scene from the story we are writing pandamonium. Characters are Tango the jackalope, and Lord Remmington the badger. Scene is supposed to be surreal, with trouble discerning direction or dimension. (Since they are playing sideways on a wall) They ar e playing a game together. [img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/88ef208765e0e278c82e282c2094a247/tumblr_nv086dtgbw1urbillo1_1280.jpg[/img] this is a gijinka of my fae dragon avatar, Shadowdancer when he had different apparel. This is all done in ink. [img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/f7942c6f2fc319a637181589e520af47/tumblr_nv085poUbQ1urbillo1_1280.jpg[/img] This is an ink and colored pencil gijinka of a tundra dragon. It was a commission. [img]https://65.media.tumblr.com/a7edb3624b03b794d8cc95b3fc0e78f6/tumblr_nwsgougtEQ1urbillo1_1280.png[/img] Digital art hybrid done with colored pencil of my dragon weenie, for riot of rot( have to wait for my wrist to heal before I can finish up the commissions. from there....sadly) [img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/bd2e908082f1f7a4fa6b9443932ae851/tumblr_o85qb7RFtD1urbillo1_r1_1280.png[/img] This one is the only commission I managed to finish before my wrist was injured. Done in ink and colored pencil. [img]https://67.media.tumblr.com/d778a0bbb6d0879f47f0374a93194bd9/tumblr_o31f91YkIY1urbillo1_540.jpg[/img] This is my character Cross in his natural scenery, which is a dimensional pocket without gravity. The scene is supposed to be disorienting, and chaotic. Done in ink. [img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/53f6530519701ed27669d6d86e41e8e1/tumblr_nvoc18p7Pe1urbillo1_400.png[/img] One of the few innocent coatl adoptables I was able to sell. This was done on microsoft paint, then brought to fire alpalca to finish the commission. I do not know what I am failing at, since I sell them for around 20,000-35,000 treasure. (Transparent png) They are cartoony. [img]https://66.media.tumblr.com/39b303fd91be1bb45ec649b6c2a68118/tumblr_nvwt2eogXn1urbillo1_250.png[/img] Last is a digital headshot of an imperial dragon wearing apparel. This is pure digital art, that I spent only an hour on....so I know it is a bit crappy, but I would like to know where the shading and blending flaws are. I know there are some mistakes on the transparent png....since it was the first one I did.
@SuperNinjaDragon

Any critique helps us greatly so here is a few of our art, so we can figure out what we are doing wrong. Since we are never able to sell commissions easily for art stalls. Sorry for the amount.....but I have tried getting critique from people on these, and it is hard to get anything honest....

tumblr_o8ddq8kFro1urbillo1_540.jpg
A chaotic scene from the story we are writing pandamonium. Characters are Tango the jackalope, and Lord Remmington the badger. Scene is supposed to be surreal, with trouble discerning direction or dimension. (Since they are playing sideways on a wall) They ar e playing a game together.

tumblr_nv086dtgbw1urbillo1_1280.jpg
this is a gijinka of my fae dragon avatar, Shadowdancer when he had different apparel. This is all done in ink.

tumblr_nv085poUbQ1urbillo1_1280.jpg
This is an ink and colored pencil gijinka of a tundra dragon. It was a commission.

tumblr_nwsgougtEQ1urbillo1_1280.png
Digital art hybrid done with colored pencil of my dragon weenie, for riot of rot( have to wait for my wrist to heal before I can finish up the commissions. from there....sadly)

tumblr_o85qb7RFtD1urbillo1_r1_1280.png

This one is the only commission I managed to finish before my wrist was injured. Done in ink and colored pencil.

tumblr_o31f91YkIY1urbillo1_540.jpg
This is my character Cross in his natural scenery, which is a dimensional pocket without gravity. The scene is supposed to be disorienting, and chaotic. Done in ink.

tumblr_nvoc18p7Pe1urbillo1_400.png
One of the few innocent coatl adoptables I was able to sell. This was done on microsoft paint, then brought to fire alpalca to finish the commission. I do not know what I am failing at, since I sell them for around 20,000-35,000 treasure. (Transparent png) They are cartoony.
tumblr_nvwt2eogXn1urbillo1_250.png
Last is a digital headshot of an imperial dragon wearing apparel. This is pure digital art, that I spent only an hour on....so I know it is a bit crappy, but I would like to know where the shading and blending flaws are. I know there are some mistakes on the transparent png....since it was the first one I did.
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[img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3gvQzfZG_mc/V7NuCxZ5oUI/AAAAAAAAC4A/xcVAY6Xscj0nzsuDsLklQ-wAVfBsFX7dQCL0B/w1060-d-h796-p/image.png[/img] Roast me m8 Edit: I was going for a realistic sorta thing ((30 min speedpaint))
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Roast me m8
Edit: I was going for a realistic sorta thing
((30 min speedpaint))
@somersault I honestly think it looks good but... HARSH CRITIQUE TIME. [img]http://orig06.deviantart.net/a349/f/2016/189/c/3/temptress_by_defendthemushrooms-da97uit.png[/img] This monster girl has good proportions overall, however more attention must be paid to [b]perspective[/b]. For example, the arms. The eyes aren't equal as well (Making eyes the same is hell in drawing I admit). I'll quickly assume you purposely chose to use flat, unshaded colours. Your colour scheme is alright, but some[b] colours [/b]clash unpleasantly, such as the colours in the pollen of the flower and in her hair. The hair itself should be more, eh, flowy and stuff. Try out smooth long strokes. [s]Damn it, why can't I be mean[/s] Anyways, on to the next artwork! [img]http://orig13.deviantart.net/2965/f/2016/188/6/d/tiny_irma_by_defendthemushrooms-da92uyk.png[/img] Wings aren't in the right position: they seem to be on her right side, not on her back. This another perspective issue! Try working on it :) Shading can be elaborated on, and the [b]composition[/b] of the drawing can be improved. For example, the wispy leg bit (I know what it is, but I dunno what it's called) can go more diagonal-ish down. Colours are greatly put together, but be aware her hair stands out as it is a warm colour against cool colours. Hope this helps, and sorry for not being harsh enough!
@somersault
I honestly think it looks good but... HARSH CRITIQUE TIME.

temptress_by_defendthemushrooms-da97uit.png
This monster girl has good proportions overall, however more attention must be paid to perspective. For example, the arms. The eyes aren't equal as well (Making eyes the same is hell in drawing I admit). I'll quickly assume you purposely chose to use flat, unshaded colours. Your colour scheme is alright, but some colours clash unpleasantly, such as the colours in the pollen of the flower and in her hair. The hair itself should be more, eh, flowy and stuff. Try out smooth long strokes. Damn it, why can't I be mean Anyways, on to the next artwork!

tiny_irma_by_defendthemushrooms-da92uyk.png
Wings aren't in the right position: they seem to be on her right side, not on her back. This another perspective issue! Try working on it :) Shading can be elaborated on, and the composition of the drawing can be improved. For example, the wispy leg bit (I know what it is, but I dunno what it's called) can go more diagonal-ish down. Colours are greatly put together, but be aware her hair stands out as it is a warm colour against cool colours.

Hope this helps, and sorry for not being harsh enough!
@Gem4567 I'm just gonna judge the second one, since it's better than your fist one - I can see the improvement! [img]//i.imgur.com/72qVs5A.jpg[/img] I think the hair shouldn't be individual pencil strokes - try to draw clumps with lines as detail in them. For example, this artwork (not mine of course, I just quickly googled 'hair'): [img]http://img03.deviantart.net/e7f6/i/2015/112/7/6/drawing_hair_by_taylorswiftt13-d5wr2dc.jpg[/img] You can see the [b]hair can be somewhat grouped in a 'clumps'[/b], and individual pencil strokes are drawn within them to create detail. Try to think of hair like that. In fact, sometimes detail isn't needed in the clumps as seen in this random anime style art: [img]http://www.planwallpaper.com/static/images/which-anime-character-are-you-quiz.jpg[/img] Try to also make hair more floofy - as in the to examples above where the [b]hair doesn't lie flat against their head.[/b] Just draw the hair a millimetre so more above where her head is. You can also work on [b]perspective[/b] for the fins, as they seem to be on different angles from her head. Other than that, you've paid excellent detail the design of your gjinka and your proportions are better than the ones that beginners often have!
@Gem4567
I'm just gonna judge the second one, since it's better than your fist one - I can see the improvement!
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I think the hair shouldn't be individual pencil strokes - try to draw clumps with lines as detail in them. For example, this artwork (not mine of course, I just quickly googled 'hair'):
drawing_hair_by_taylorswiftt13-d5wr2dc.jpg
You can see the hair can be somewhat grouped in a 'clumps', and individual pencil strokes are drawn within them to create detail. Try to think of hair like that. In fact, sometimes detail isn't needed in the clumps as seen in this random anime style art:
which-anime-character-are-you-quiz.jpg
Try to also make hair more floofy - as in the to examples above where the hair doesn't lie flat against their head. Just draw the hair a millimetre so more above where her head is.

You can also work on perspective for the fins, as they seem to be on different angles from her head. Other than that, you've paid excellent detail the design of your gjinka and your proportions are better than the ones that beginners often have!

@SuperNinjaDragon

yo thats some darn good criticism! i might actually just screen shot that since that's the most in depth analysis on my arts ive seen. a million thanks, especially the tip on the warm vs cool colours, i knew something felt odd about that.
ohyeah i forgot to mention in the first doodle that she is actually a computery flower virus (.hack//imoq is so hard to explain, ohboy) so that'd explain the squiggly lines, its kinda like a circuit skin. but other than that youre very right about the proportioning!

golly i was hoping for tears but your words were so sweet and useful im smiling, hehe C:
@SuperNinjaDragon

yo thats some darn good criticism! i might actually just screen shot that since that's the most in depth analysis on my arts ive seen. a million thanks, especially the tip on the warm vs cool colours, i knew something felt odd about that.
ohyeah i forgot to mention in the first doodle that she is actually a computery flower virus (.hack//imoq is so hard to explain, ohboy) so that'd explain the squiggly lines, its kinda like a circuit skin. but other than that youre very right about the proportioning!

golly i was hoping for tears but your words were so sweet and useful im smiling, hehe C:
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@DiamondNoodles [img]http://67.media.tumblr.com/1eb635913a9a09834fdf2d6ad1f49354/tumblr_o91ph59F0n1umvgj4o3_400.jpg[/img] Your drawing seems to be a bit [b]wobbly[/b], such as the orb, which isn't very circular. Eyes are also angled wrongly. Crown seems tilted at the top. I suggest the use of [b]guidelines[/b] so you can keep [b]proportions[/b] good. For example. the guidelines in the pic below ensure the violin (or viola?) is symmetrical. Don't rely too much on guidelines though: they're called guides for a reason! [img]http://guidetodrawing.com/site/assets/files/1036/6.530x0-is.png[/img] Your colouring's actually really good, and I suggest shading in more areas such as under the crown and in the feathers.
@DiamondNoodles
tumblr_o91ph59F0n1umvgj4o3_400.jpg
Your drawing seems to be a bit wobbly, such as the orb, which isn't very circular. Eyes are also angled wrongly. Crown seems tilted at the top. I suggest the use of guidelines so you can keep proportions good. For example. the guidelines in the pic below ensure the violin (or viola?) is symmetrical. Don't rely too much on guidelines though: they're called guides for a reason!
6.530x0-is.png
Your colouring's actually really good, and I suggest shading in more areas such as under the crown and in the feathers.
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