Eye Changes and Suggestions Thread
This thread is a compilation of the main changes I've seen people ask for about the new update. I've made several surveys to gather data, and have designed this in the hope that it will catch the attention of the staff and provide a clear, concise idea of how the community feels about this update and how it can be improved before changes become impossible.
Featuring:
Links to all polls
Most common ideas and desires / issues
Most common liked concepts
Popular potential changes
Look here for the polls.
I am still gathering data for these and would love your input.
These polls are where I got my information, and are left open to help reflect how the userbase feels without resorting to pages and pages of 'support/ don't support'. I have added the statistics (as of the last time I checked it) as well as well thought out comments which I thought reflected their part of the community. As long as I run this thread, I'll endeavour to collect responses from these polls and from replies to the poll's threads.
There are some known issues with these polls which I'll list out here.
My fourth poll had a very confusing question, which was corrected in the fifth; some options were added and removed with each successive poll; my first three polls were biased towards those who did not like the update, while the fourth was biased towards those who did.
Click here for the final survey pre-scattersight retirement.
Click here for the survey biased towards opposing 'camps'.
Click here for the original final survey.
Click here for the second survey.
Click here for the first survey.
Most common likes and dislikes
People have expressed varying opinions on the new eyes. I will list the likes and dislikes here for use. Please note that in both, nearly 25% of the users have expressed that the eyes depend heavily on the dragon who bears them.
Now also featuring the likes and dislikes surrounding their implementation, for thoroughness.
Likes
The Arcane Primal eyes have a generally good reception, as do Primal eyes in general.
From the third poll, in order, the first-day favourites are Primal, Rare, and Glowing.
People are enjoying the new, random feature's value, and the ways it revitalizes interest in breeding dragons. Much like getting eggs or eliminate, these hatchlings are like the 'rare drops' of breeding.
Dislikes
A large amount of people have expressed concerns and disgust at the Multigaze and Plague Primal eyes, which some users consider 'body horror'. This can cause some people to feel ill. This extends somewhat to the Earth Primal, Shadow Primal and Faceted eye types.
From the third poll, in order, the first-day least favourites are Multi-gaze, Primal, and Faceted.
People are disappointed in some of the artwork - either because they have visible art errors (Multi-gaze on adults, etc), do not fit with the normal artwork (the 'skin' on plague eyes clash with most colours and changes the colour of the eye itself from red to green), or appear rushed/moved (light primal). {Light primal is reported to appear 'cartoonish', and the glowing eye type appears more relevant to the light flight. It appears as if the two eye types were switched around, with the light eye type implemented at the last minute.}
Issues
Here, I'll list issues people have had with the update.
The Vial of Scattersight has retired.
As a consumable item, retiring this item within 2 (and a bit) days, when most events with similar, non-consumable items run for a week, is an issue for the majority of users who want to enjoy this new feature to the fullest. Many of the users were unable to gather the items they want in the given amount of time, and will have to purchase it for over 100 gems without guarantee it will change their dragon's eyes. As an item arguably equivalent to the scatterscroll, the vial is essential to breeding projects and should be treated as such.
There is no method to revert the eyes to their 'common' state.
RESOLVED
An item which can return eyes to the 'common' state would be essential to users who would like their dragons to be without the fancier eyes. Leaving no option to return to the standard eye type is a significant drawback, as people may plan their dragons around the common eye type in place of the former 'original' type. Dragons with eyes other than common are unable to revert to common; as a site whose main allure is customization, this is a significantly unusual choice, and counterproductive to future projects.
The FR Team/mods have officially stated that a 'revert to common' item will be implemented in future updates.
Original eyes were replaced.
The original, pre-update eyes were preferable for some users, especially those who chose them specifically because of their eyes (an example is a maize/maize/maize dragon with light eyes, as the original matched the colours better than the new eyes). Further, some users are unnerved by the new eyes, especially the coloured sclera for many of the breeds which formerly had white sclera. Users feel upset that these eyes were removed and would appreciate a method by which to have their original eyes again.
Note: This has been addressed by the mods, and was intended to be announced at the time when the eyes were introduced. The suggestion remains in the hopes the original eyes may someday become an option again for users who prefer them.
'Body Horror' eyes are making people sick.
People are experiencing 'body horror' when viewing the Multigaze, Plague Primal, Shadow Primal, and to a certain extent faceted and Earth Primal, eyes. These eyes are out of place for the site, in some cases, and the cost to change these eyes (a vial of scattersight) is extremely high, without a guarantee it will be different. Some users would prefer not to view these particular eye types at all. (the eye types are displayed below in scries, behind links for those who prefer not to view them.)
Light Multigaze on a spiral hatchling.
Plague Primal on a Spiral Female.
Shadow Primal on a Mirror Female.
Earth Primal on a Ridgeback Female.
The Light Primal's design is lacklustre/cartoonish.
Some users find the Light Primal disappointing. As an eye type, it is less 'serious' compared to the other eyes and appears 'cartoonish', leading to the eyes' use in jokes. Some users with light dragons feel that the glowing eye type is more fitting to the light flight than the light primal eye type itself. (the light primal eyes are offered for viewing below on scried dragons.)
A scry of a triple obsidian SD hatchling with light primal eyes.
A Mirror hatchling with the same as above.
A Snapper female with the same as above.
A female SD with:
Glowing | Primal
The Multi-gaze's design.
Some users are disappointed in the lack of polish on multi-gaze, especially on adult dragons (the male skydancer is a commonly cited offender, and has been shown below, behind a link for those who do not wish to view this eye type). The eyes along the body do not match the eyes of any dragons, and eyes do not align with the lineart of the dragon's body. It appears 'copy-pasted', 'rushed', and ultimately, users feel that they have been given a half-finished product.
A Male Skydancer (currently hatchling) with Multigaze.
A scry of a triple obsidian SD Male with light multigaze.
Popular User-suggested Changes
These are solutions put forward by the community for the points listed above.
Make the Vial of Scattersight a Gem MP/Festival item, or have it return like the Wildclaw Scroll.
This is a direct resolution for the point on scattersights being retired.
The vial of Scattersight is an essential item for users who want the right eyes. This method also removes the heavy deficit which is likely to spring up if the vials were permanently retired. This further aids in many of the other complaints, as a supply of these would allow people to change eyes they can't tolerate viewing and alter the eyes of older dragons without the unbalanced consumption of gems and/or treasure.
Add an item/method of restoring the Common eyes.
RESOLVED
Adding an item which 'wipes clean' the eyes of a dragon back to common would correct the issue of being unable to get common eyes from a scattersight. Much like the remove gene scrolls, this would allow users to have a small amount of control over their dragons and prevent further issues with the other eye types.
The FR Team/mods have stated that this is planned for a future update. The suggestion is left here for posterity.
Add the pre-update eye designs as 'unnatural' eye types, or allow them to be obtained from breeding again separately to the new eyes.
The original eyes are important to many of the users on FR, as they are part of their dragon's lore, design, and plan. The ability to restore these eyes on their dragons would correct many of the problems had by those completely dissatisfied with the update. Many people are unnerved by the new eyes and the changes to the eye itself (shading, sclera, pupil, etc), and this would allow them to return to as they were.
Add an account option which allows people to toggle the viewing of 'body horror' eye types.
Adding an option in the account options which will allow users to avoid viewing the 'body horror' eye types without affecting gameplay for other players. This would not affect the odds of getting a primal dragon, a multigaze dragon, or other dragon eye types; rather, for that specific user, the eye would display as a standard common eye. This will prevent harmful reactions during FR gameplay without harming the current RNG or the value of the dragon itself, and prevent such a change from allowing users to exploit the RNG for rarer eye types.
More thoughts
As I gather responses, I'll add views here which I don't feel are fleshed out enough to be a solid suggestion, or were expressed by less than 3 users that I can identify. I will put them here in the hopes they can be developed by the community or aid the staff in their choices going forward. I also plan to incorporate ideas from other threads into this if possible, and will link them back to this part of the thread if I do.
The Staff were too quiet during and after the event.
People are uncomfortable and concerned by the lack of response from the staff, other than 'Thanks for the feedback!' and squashing bugs/rulebreakers.
While not an issue of the update itself, it is a viable point, and a large number of users believe better communication between the staff and users - no matter how risky - would have gone a long way to help squash the outcry from the community. I believe this is important to note going forward, so that this situation doesn't repeat itself.
NOTE: A response coming from Aequorin came on the 3rd(?) day since the update occurred, addressing issues and opening discussion. This is absolutely a step in the right direction, and I approve wholeheartedly of the action taken.
A final note
I believe that this will be a changing thread as time goes forward. I don't want this discussion to stop a few days after the update, and hope to provide the dedication to keep it going for at least a month to ensure what I have here is thorough and realistic. If you feel that what I wrote doesn't reflect your opinion, please do share it, and request your comment added to this thread. If you don't like it still, well... there's a suggestions thread for a reason, and I wish you luck with it.
Thank you, all of you, for your help. Hopefully, together, we can help improve the FR experience.
PINGLIST
If you wish to be added, please PM me, thank you!
@NoctisNix @Silver202 @GalopaWXY @Tynnk @Olkai @commoncomitatus @slp0001 @Celes @snappdragon @Frandoll @SunstonePhoenix @Foxofwonders @menghuancat @Scryzze @ReCremisi @Layenne90 @Rainhead @PixelSpiral @Nigiri @Grunty @Disillusionist @MollyMerula @Luca20 @ Churrell @ HersheyNation
As a quick PS to those who are tired of these sorts of threads:
Yes, I know, it can be exhausting, and I agree that there's a lot of melodrama. However, there always is, and I want to express that these suggestions are designed to avoid that exact problem. I apologize for not sharing your comments, but I believe that they are unrelated to the content itself and rather focus on the reactions from an opposing part of the community. I nonetheless greatly appreciate your input, and will do my best to make this thread a clean, concise, and ultimately calm one, where suggestions can be reviewed without forcing users like yourself to filter the emotional backlash.
Final PS:
I haven't seen any activity about this in a while, so I've stopped maintaining this thread. However, if you @ me in this thread, I will absolutely respond.
This thread is a compilation of the main changes I've seen people ask for about the new update. I've made several surveys to gather data, and have designed this in the hope that it will catch the attention of the staff and provide a clear, concise idea of how the community feels about this update and how it can be improved before changes become impossible.
Featuring:
Links to all polls
Most common ideas and desires / issues
Most common liked concepts
Popular potential changes
Look here for the polls.
I am still gathering data for these and would love your input.
These polls are where I got my information, and are left open to help reflect how the userbase feels without resorting to pages and pages of 'support/ don't support'. I have added the statistics (as of the last time I checked it) as well as well thought out comments which I thought reflected their part of the community. As long as I run this thread, I'll endeavour to collect responses from these polls and from replies to the poll's threads.
There are some known issues with these polls which I'll list out here.
My fourth poll had a very confusing question, which was corrected in the fifth; some options were added and removed with each successive poll; my first three polls were biased towards those who did not like the update, while the fourth was biased towards those who did.
Click here for the final survey pre-scattersight retirement.
Click here for the survey biased towards opposing 'camps'.
Click here for the original final survey.
Click here for the second survey.
Click here for the first survey.
Most common likes and dislikes
People have expressed varying opinions on the new eyes. I will list the likes and dislikes here for use. Please note that in both, nearly 25% of the users have expressed that the eyes depend heavily on the dragon who bears them.
Now also featuring the likes and dislikes surrounding their implementation, for thoroughness.
Likes
The Arcane Primal eyes have a generally good reception, as do Primal eyes in general.
From the third poll, in order, the first-day favourites are Primal, Rare, and Glowing.
People are enjoying the new, random feature's value, and the ways it revitalizes interest in breeding dragons. Much like getting eggs or eliminate, these hatchlings are like the 'rare drops' of breeding.
Dislikes
A large amount of people have expressed concerns and disgust at the Multigaze and Plague Primal eyes, which some users consider 'body horror'. This can cause some people to feel ill. This extends somewhat to the Earth Primal, Shadow Primal and Faceted eye types.
From the third poll, in order, the first-day least favourites are Multi-gaze, Primal, and Faceted.
People are disappointed in some of the artwork - either because they have visible art errors (Multi-gaze on adults, etc), do not fit with the normal artwork (the 'skin' on plague eyes clash with most colours and changes the colour of the eye itself from red to green), or appear rushed/moved (light primal). {Light primal is reported to appear 'cartoonish', and the glowing eye type appears more relevant to the light flight. It appears as if the two eye types were switched around, with the light eye type implemented at the last minute.}
Issues
Here, I'll list issues people have had with the update.
The Vial of Scattersight has retired.
As a consumable item, retiring this item within 2 (and a bit) days, when most events with similar, non-consumable items run for a week, is an issue for the majority of users who want to enjoy this new feature to the fullest. Many of the users were unable to gather the items they want in the given amount of time, and will have to purchase it for over 100 gems without guarantee it will change their dragon's eyes. As an item arguably equivalent to the scatterscroll, the vial is essential to breeding projects and should be treated as such.
There is no method to revert the eyes to their 'common' state.
RESOLVED
An item which can return eyes to the 'common' state would be essential to users who would like their dragons to be without the fancier eyes. Leaving no option to return to the standard eye type is a significant drawback, as people may plan their dragons around the common eye type in place of the former 'original' type. Dragons with eyes other than common are unable to revert to common; as a site whose main allure is customization, this is a significantly unusual choice, and counterproductive to future projects.
The FR Team/mods have officially stated that a 'revert to common' item will be implemented in future updates.
Original eyes were replaced.
The original, pre-update eyes were preferable for some users, especially those who chose them specifically because of their eyes (an example is a maize/maize/maize dragon with light eyes, as the original matched the colours better than the new eyes). Further, some users are unnerved by the new eyes, especially the coloured sclera for many of the breeds which formerly had white sclera. Users feel upset that these eyes were removed and would appreciate a method by which to have their original eyes again.
Note: This has been addressed by the mods, and was intended to be announced at the time when the eyes were introduced. The suggestion remains in the hopes the original eyes may someday become an option again for users who prefer them.
'Body Horror' eyes are making people sick.
People are experiencing 'body horror' when viewing the Multigaze, Plague Primal, Shadow Primal, and to a certain extent faceted and Earth Primal, eyes. These eyes are out of place for the site, in some cases, and the cost to change these eyes (a vial of scattersight) is extremely high, without a guarantee it will be different. Some users would prefer not to view these particular eye types at all. (the eye types are displayed below in scries, behind links for those who prefer not to view them.)
Light Multigaze on a spiral hatchling.
Plague Primal on a Spiral Female.
Shadow Primal on a Mirror Female.
Earth Primal on a Ridgeback Female.
The Light Primal's design is lacklustre/cartoonish.
Some users find the Light Primal disappointing. As an eye type, it is less 'serious' compared to the other eyes and appears 'cartoonish', leading to the eyes' use in jokes. Some users with light dragons feel that the glowing eye type is more fitting to the light flight than the light primal eye type itself. (the light primal eyes are offered for viewing below on scried dragons.)
A scry of a triple obsidian SD hatchling with light primal eyes.
A Mirror hatchling with the same as above.
A Snapper female with the same as above.
A female SD with:
Glowing | Primal
The Multi-gaze's design.
Some users are disappointed in the lack of polish on multi-gaze, especially on adult dragons (the male skydancer is a commonly cited offender, and has been shown below, behind a link for those who do not wish to view this eye type). The eyes along the body do not match the eyes of any dragons, and eyes do not align with the lineart of the dragon's body. It appears 'copy-pasted', 'rushed', and ultimately, users feel that they have been given a half-finished product.
A Male Skydancer (currently hatchling) with Multigaze.
A scry of a triple obsidian SD Male with light multigaze.
Popular User-suggested Changes
These are solutions put forward by the community for the points listed above.
Make the Vial of Scattersight a Gem MP/Festival item, or have it return like the Wildclaw Scroll.
This is a direct resolution for the point on scattersights being retired.
The vial of Scattersight is an essential item for users who want the right eyes. This method also removes the heavy deficit which is likely to spring up if the vials were permanently retired. This further aids in many of the other complaints, as a supply of these would allow people to change eyes they can't tolerate viewing and alter the eyes of older dragons without the unbalanced consumption of gems and/or treasure.
Add an item/method of restoring the Common eyes.
RESOLVED
Adding an item which 'wipes clean' the eyes of a dragon back to common would correct the issue of being unable to get common eyes from a scattersight. Much like the remove gene scrolls, this would allow users to have a small amount of control over their dragons and prevent further issues with the other eye types.
The FR Team/mods have stated that this is planned for a future update. The suggestion is left here for posterity.
Add the pre-update eye designs as 'unnatural' eye types, or allow them to be obtained from breeding again separately to the new eyes.
The original eyes are important to many of the users on FR, as they are part of their dragon's lore, design, and plan. The ability to restore these eyes on their dragons would correct many of the problems had by those completely dissatisfied with the update. Many people are unnerved by the new eyes and the changes to the eye itself (shading, sclera, pupil, etc), and this would allow them to return to as they were.
Add an account option which allows people to toggle the viewing of 'body horror' eye types.
Adding an option in the account options which will allow users to avoid viewing the 'body horror' eye types without affecting gameplay for other players. This would not affect the odds of getting a primal dragon, a multigaze dragon, or other dragon eye types; rather, for that specific user, the eye would display as a standard common eye. This will prevent harmful reactions during FR gameplay without harming the current RNG or the value of the dragon itself, and prevent such a change from allowing users to exploit the RNG for rarer eye types.
More thoughts
As I gather responses, I'll add views here which I don't feel are fleshed out enough to be a solid suggestion, or were expressed by less than 3 users that I can identify. I will put them here in the hopes they can be developed by the community or aid the staff in their choices going forward. I also plan to incorporate ideas from other threads into this if possible, and will link them back to this part of the thread if I do.
The Staff were too quiet during and after the event.
People are uncomfortable and concerned by the lack of response from the staff, other than 'Thanks for the feedback!' and squashing bugs/rulebreakers.
While not an issue of the update itself, it is a viable point, and a large number of users believe better communication between the staff and users - no matter how risky - would have gone a long way to help squash the outcry from the community. I believe this is important to note going forward, so that this situation doesn't repeat itself.
NOTE: A response coming from Aequorin came on the 3rd(?) day since the update occurred, addressing issues and opening discussion. This is absolutely a step in the right direction, and I approve wholeheartedly of the action taken.
A final note
I believe that this will be a changing thread as time goes forward. I don't want this discussion to stop a few days after the update, and hope to provide the dedication to keep it going for at least a month to ensure what I have here is thorough and realistic. If you feel that what I wrote doesn't reflect your opinion, please do share it, and request your comment added to this thread. If you don't like it still, well... there's a suggestions thread for a reason, and I wish you luck with it.
Thank you, all of you, for your help. Hopefully, together, we can help improve the FR experience.
PINGLIST
If you wish to be added, please PM me, thank you!
@NoctisNix @Silver202 @GalopaWXY @Tynnk @Olkai @commoncomitatus @slp0001 @Celes @snappdragon @Frandoll @SunstonePhoenix @Foxofwonders @menghuancat @Scryzze @ReCremisi @Layenne90 @Rainhead @PixelSpiral @Nigiri @Grunty @Disillusionist @MollyMerula @Luca20 @ Churrell @ HersheyNation
As a quick PS to those who are tired of these sorts of threads:
Yes, I know, it can be exhausting, and I agree that there's a lot of melodrama. However, there always is, and I want to express that these suggestions are designed to avoid that exact problem. I apologize for not sharing your comments, but I believe that they are unrelated to the content itself and rather focus on the reactions from an opposing part of the community. I nonetheless greatly appreciate your input, and will do my best to make this thread a clean, concise, and ultimately calm one, where suggestions can be reviewed without forcing users like yourself to filter the emotional backlash.
Final PS:
I haven't seen any activity about this in a while, so I've stopped maintaining this thread. However, if you @ me in this thread, I will absolutely respond.
       
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