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From the Q & A [quote]While the act of increasing the cap isn't difficult, it does go hand-in-hand with having more mouths to feed and maintain, and bigger load-outs in Coliseum. In addition, lair slots are quite pricey, and new lair spaces would have to be at least as expensive as the tiers below them. While we could just pile on more lair slots, that may not be the best route taken. We have, however, heard loud and clear that players want more dragon storage. That's something that we're thinking about, even if it ends up not being in the form of additional lair slots.[/quote] If the collectors can afford the lair expansions and to feed their dragons I dont see why that should be reason NOT to increase lair space... Whats the point in adding more dragons if we dont get more room... This goes both for us old dragon collectors and the gen one collectors.. why should they sink time and money into dragons which eventually will need to be put away (IF that is what is meant by storage - we dont know this yet) Please let your support for more LAIRSPACE be know. - Even if your views already have een expressed then every comment is valuable :D I KNOW I am not the only one out there wanting more lairspace and who is concerned about the Q & A about dragon storage. @Emberglo @Faileas @Mythnomer @Cealygosa @Trachynhawb gave you a ping just in case your post is deleted. Many were as debate is not allowed in the Q & A so I made this thread :D @AoiNoRyuu pinging you as you have a similar thread :D Want to collect it all into one :D @April @JD1620 I allowed myself to ping you guys as I saw that you really want more lairspace too. Could use your backup/View on this matter :D Hope you dont mind Just to be clear I am NOT against dragon storage, Its just not for me. If its added great, but let the ones who want more lairspace get it. IF we can afford it and keep our dragons fed then let us Im concerned for what this means. Reply from one of the admins [quote name="Aequorin" date="2018-02-07 10:37:31" ] Without commenting on anything specific with respect to individual suggestions, I need to clarify a misunderstanding we're seeing. We did not say we will never again add lair space, nor did we say we do not want to. What we said in the Ask the Team answer set, while we could just pile on more lair slots, that may not be the best route taken. Our development decisions are always made with heavy consideration to game balance and the overall longevity of the game. We wanted to give you some transparency on where we are, to assure you that we are not ignoring you on this subject. We know this is important to you. Please continue discussing this and giving us your feedback; however, when you do, take our answer on its face: we are talking about this internally and exploring ideas. [/quote] Here are some Quotes which sums up this thread really well [quote name="Cealygosa" date=2018-02-06 14:11:02] Ah, thank you for the ping, dear I'm not a gen one nor an old dragon collector - however, I enjoy making breeding pairs that are rare. I collect rare color combos and then turn them into unique breeding pairs. I have 60 breeding pairs right now - the rest of my dragons being older dragons I cherish since joining the game. If I got rid of them, I know I would have room for more pairs...but that ruins the whole idea of cherishing particular dragons. I hit page 10 a few days ago, and I'm fearful of completing it...I always want to collect more amazing pairs - with new genes constantly coming out...I want to have multiple pairs reflecting those genes. You can't add to a game this often and expect to not give us the ability to use all the content. I've known accounts who have been lair capped since way early on - who knows how much content they can't even access without getting rid of "old" content. This is a breeding pet site. Why are we limited to what we can breed ? I adore this game, play it everyday, spend my money on it, I want to be able to continue playing it. Reaching the cap will force me to get rid of so many loved dragons...just to keep up with the ever-changing content. You need to balance output of content with how much content can be used - lair expansion limits is not this balance. While we know nothing about this alluded "storage", I'm very worried about what it'll be. Switching out dragons or setting them aside seems all good and all, but in the end...the amount of dragons we can hold is limited. There is only so much a storage / bank can do. If the people with ten pages can afford more, let them buy more? Being able to buy more, whatever the price, is better than this space limit not allowing us to do anything at all. Coliseum loadout is understandable , having more dragons means loading more dragons into the Organize Party section and etc. However...your game is growing. You need to be able to grow your capabilities with it, to be an efficient game. I understand this game is run by volunteers and has a small team, but you have to consider what you need to prioritize on to stabilize your product. Sure, not everyone in the game is maxed out. However...those who are, probably spend real money on this game - being able to provide to your source of support is very important in the success of the site. In all honesty, this game has limited features, so limiting those features ( collecting more and more dragons ) just isn't an effective way of developing the site. I love this game thoroughly - this was not meant to antagonize the team or anything of the sort, just to clarify what I personally feel and to maybe help put the point across that we inevitably need more lair space. I am eager to continue supporting this game and want to see it's utmost success :) [/quote] [quote name="VeiledOverdose" date=2018-02-06 20:00:58] Since I'm one of those who are maxed, I'm going to have just a bit of a rant of sorts here because I wasn't exactly pleased upon reading that today. I [b]don't[/b] want dragon storage if, one, there's no increase in lair space, and two, if it's something where you can't do things with the dragon such as dress them/give them familiars. I'm a lore lair. I don't want to have a "storage" where dragons have no familiar, no bio, and no accent/apparel. I want to showcase my dragons, show off their lore and things about them, and that kind of a storage doesn't warrant that. I'd be absolutely fine if it was in addition to more lair space. That's different, and I'm really hoping that's what they were implying. If not, staff, please reconsider, storage like that's not gonna help in the long run. I want to show off my dragons, show off their bios/eventual lore, not shove them to the side and out of my lair. No. This is a dragon collecting game. Having a limit like that is against what this game's about. Feeding/cost isn't as much of an issue. If people are maxed in both space and amount of dragons, they're obviously fine with paying the prices, and if their dragons are fed, have no problems feeding them, either. As for costs, have a limit. Don't make it keep going up. Have a cap. In fact all the last set of expansions were the same price. Keep it that way. [quote name="Sopheroo" date=2018-02-06 12:32:50] [quote]We have, however, heard loud and clear that players want more dragon storage. That's something that we're thinking about, even if it ends up not being in the form of additional lair slots.[/quote] Yeah, no. We have an opportunity for dragon storage, it's called "saving the pictures on our personal hard drives" Lair expansions are a great money sink, and staff, one of two real money sinks you have. ;) [/quote] Haha first, exactly. I have a place offsite with dragon images put up and all. That's my storage. I don't need one here. Two, that's another thing that is good about lair expansions. The big ones are huge money sinks! Advantage. Even with a cap that can still be a huge load of money out of the system. Also, as for food, one, fix the gathering system. The fact I can still get ONE TWO-POINT FOOD ITEM when the section's at level 40 is something that needs to have something done about it. Make a stack limit. Make it so you get a certain amount of food points minimum. Also have it so you can't have a turn with ONLY A FAMILIAR and NOTHING ELSE. That one really irritates me and needs to be done away with. It's not the lair space that's a problem there, it's a different feature. I might not have issues since I gather and do Coli, but maybe fixing up gathering so it helps people who don't coli/coli much have less issues with food. [img]https://i.imgur.com/qNfZK2r.png[/img] I mean c'mon. I'm maxed and I don't struggle with food at all. I'm sure there are other maxed people who are the same way. Hell, I'm sure anyone who's maxed and is for more lair space don't have food issues. So really, that isn't a good reason at all to not increase the lair space cap. Because if other things get fixed, it's less of an issue. As for the Coli, it's being rewritten/worked on. Make it so it doesn't have issues loading lots of dragons. If this was an issue, why did you work it so it can load all dragons, including ineligible dragons like HATCHLINGS? Hell, have it so it only loads some at a time and it'll load more as you scroll down so not all of them load at once. Bam, fixed. [quote name="butcherbaby" date=2018-02-06 17:06:50] Some kind of storage could potentially be very useful! But let's get it ALONG WITH more lair expansions. Others have mentioned it, but if they are going to keep releasing new genes, and new breeds, they are also going to have to keeps expanding lair space. How else are those with tons of permas going to have the room for them? Again, nobody wants to spend a fortune on carefully geneing up their dergs, buying apparel & skins, etc, just so they can exalt or get rid of them because they need room for new dragons. Working on expanded lair space should be a PRIORITY, since not only are lair spaces a huge money sink, so are GENES, both treasure & gem, and gene scrolls. No room for new dragons = no money (in game or real life) spent on genes & breed changes. If they don't work on expanding the game capacity to fit player needs, they are going to be shooting themselves in the foot. [/quote] My thoughts exactly. Guh. Since new apparel/familiars/skins and accents/genes come out fairly frequently, having a lair space cap like this and possibly only offering storage instead of more space is punishing people who are maxed and are dragon collectors and all. Why should we be limited like this when new stuff for dragons come out all the time? I DON'T WANT to kick any more dragons out of my lair. I struggled to exalt one last night because I got an idea and wanted to bring someone else in. I know I don't want to keep struggling like that, and I know other people don't want to either. So please, if you're going to add storage things, add more lair space [b]WITH IT[/b] so people can keep collecting dragons, without having to kick others out or shove them into a storage thing which might possibly not allow things like apparel and bios (and breeding, which would most definitely not be allowed, thinking of people who have lots of space taken up by breeding projects). When we want more lair space, we want [b]MORE LAIR SPACE[/b], not storage options which may not help anything. Please don't avoid what we want in favor of something that we weren't asking for that isn't the same thing at all. [/quote] [quote name="hat17" date=2018-02-08 13:59:48] The thing that I'm worried about and the reason why I posted in this thread was to voice my concerns over the idea of a 'storage' over 'more lair spaces'. What you said here is what I have in mind when I saw the word 'storage', but there might be additional restrictions (eg, cooldown period; hunger level, etc) to stop people from exploiting the feature. We just don't know what can happen, and yes I agree since we don't know we probably shouldn't jump on it yet, but I'd rather tell staff what exactly we're looking for when we want more lair space to begin with, rather than wait until they roll out a new feature then said 'no that's not what we want'. I'd like them to get it right at the beginning if possible. Tbh, the part that worries me the most in the Q&A post was not the word 'storage', but the reason why they are looking at storage instead of giving us more lair spaces. The only one that makes sense to me is the coliseum load-out time. The expansion costs and food are both non-issues that they use as reasons, and that's what worries me as to where they are heading... [/quote] [quote name="Jemadar" date=2018-02-10 06:52:56] The thing is, there HAS to be a difference between storage and lair space, and that is what has everyone concerned. We can already assume that 'storage' would mean, due to the wording on the Q&A, that these dragons do not eat food (more mouths to feed) and that they do not coli (coli-loadout). We can also assume that either storage would be 'free' or it would be cheaper than expanding your lair fully (the next expansions would have to be at least as expensive as the previous one) If the dragons do not eat food, but can do everything else and the storage is cheaper to get, then essentially this would break the economy because players could dump their breeding pairs into this storage and never worry about feeding them. They would also then have all those spaces to breed fodder, so they wouldn't buy the dragons from the AH (why bother buying dragons to exalt when you can have a certain number of breeding pairs, that don't eat, so you can basically hatch a nest a day and exalt those babies? Even 2 nests a day. I know it wouldn't stop all people from buying dragons to exalt, but it would stop some, especially with all the drama that buying to exalt causes) Not to mention, players could keep two dragons in their 'lair' and easily keep their well fed bonus by feeding those two dragons, and then selling the excess food, while still having tons of dragons to breed and collect. So, judging by that, there would need to have more restrictions on the storage than just no coli and no feeding, and truthfully, with the idea of being able to stick all but one or two dragons into storage (as I don't breed my dragons that often and I coli only sporadically, but could keep my coli dragons out and just haul out fodder dragons when I feel like training them) it would still have a negative effect on the economy. So, no coli, no breeding, and perhaps other restrictions to prevent abuse, such as things like instead of buying slots, you have unlimited, but you can't change anything about the dragon (it keeps apparel, bios, and familiars when put into storage, but it can't be changed until it is taken out of storage) and a cost to put dragons into storage and take them out. I do agree that we need more information on exactly what this storage entails, but without that information, it is easy to jump to conclusions. As I believe thecatsred said, it is much better to hash out what is wanted/needed NOW before the work has, presumably, started on the mechanic than after it has started or after it has been presented to the user base as a mechanic. It is much easier to change a concept than code or a finished product. [/quote] [quote name="Alyxsandre" date="2018-02-21 19:37:57" ] I'm happy I didn't go along with posting a new thread and searched instead I've been capped for almost a year now and let me tell you, it is the most painful thing in the face of the planet. I've had to exalt dragons I spent REAL MONEY on so I can breed my breeding pairs, give away dragons I wanted cross-lair lore with, and just overall destroy my sanity over trying to find dragons I could maybe get rid of because I just didn't have the space. I don't Coli and yet I can still feed ALL my dragons only by gathering (8P to everyone who says you can't. I'm living proof), I don't participate in dom, I don't even hatch g1s to sell or buy to flip. I merely collect. I breed combos I love, scatter G1s for OC dragons, collect old dragons to spoil, etc. I would even say screw it and be ok with paying GEMS for expansions because that's how desperate I am for them! I WANT to try to breed for pretty XYZ pairs to spred the love for more underrated colors, I WANT to do so much but yet I'm here being forced to get rid of dragons I've loved for LITERAL YEARS just because I can't hatch a nest. Storage would be cool for exalting lairs, but not for collectors :/ I really want this to be addressed soon, because my heart breaks every time I'm forced to get rid of a dragon or stop my breeding projects just because I don't have the space any more... [/quote]
From the Q & A
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While the act of increasing the cap isn't difficult, it does go hand-in-hand with having more mouths to feed and maintain, and bigger load-outs in Coliseum. In addition, lair slots are quite pricey, and new lair spaces would have to be at least as expensive as the tiers below them. While we could just pile on more lair slots, that may not be the best route taken.

We have, however, heard loud and clear that players want more dragon storage. That's something that we're thinking about, even if it ends up not being in the form of additional lair slots.

If the collectors can afford the lair expansions and to feed their dragons I dont see why that should be reason NOT to increase lair space...

Whats the point in adding more dragons if we dont get more room... This goes both for us old dragon collectors and the gen one collectors.. why should they sink time and money into dragons which eventually will need to be put away (IF that is what is meant by storage - we dont know this yet)

Please let your support for more LAIRSPACE be know. - Even if your views already have een expressed then every comment is valuable :D

I KNOW I am not the only one out there wanting more lairspace and who is concerned about the Q & A about dragon storage.
@Emberglo @Faileas @Mythnomer @Cealygosa

@Trachynhawb gave you a ping just in case your post is deleted. Many were as debate is not allowed in the Q & A so I made this thread :D

@AoiNoRyuu pinging you as you have a similar thread :D Want to collect it all into one :D

@April @JD1620 I allowed myself to ping you guys as I saw that you really want more lairspace too. Could use your backup/View on this matter :D Hope you dont mind

Just to be clear I am NOT against dragon storage, Its just not for me. If its added great, but let the ones who want more lairspace get it. IF we can afford it and keep our dragons fed then let us

Im concerned for what this means.

Reply from one of the admins
Aequorin wrote on 2018-02-07 10:37:31:
Without commenting on anything specific with respect to individual suggestions, I need to clarify a misunderstanding we're seeing.

We did not say we will never again add lair space, nor did we say we do not want to. What we said in the Ask the Team answer set, while we could just pile on more lair slots, that may not be the best route taken. Our development decisions are always made with heavy consideration to game balance and the overall longevity of the game.

We wanted to give you some transparency on where we are, to assure you that we are not ignoring you on this subject. We know this is important to you. Please continue discussing this and giving us your feedback; however, when you do, take our answer on its face: we are talking about this internally and exploring ideas.

Here are some Quotes which sums up this thread really well

Cealygosa wrote on 2018-02-06:
Ah, thank you for the ping, dear

I'm not a gen one nor an old dragon collector - however, I enjoy making breeding pairs that are rare. I collect rare color combos and then turn them into unique breeding pairs.

I have 60 breeding pairs right now - the rest of my dragons being older dragons I cherish since joining the game. If I got rid of them, I know I would have room for more pairs...but that ruins the whole idea of cherishing particular dragons.

I hit page 10 a few days ago, and I'm fearful of completing it...I always want to collect more amazing pairs - with new genes constantly coming out...I want to have multiple pairs reflecting those genes. You can't add to a game this often and expect to not give us the ability to use all the content. I've known accounts who have been lair capped since way early on - who knows how much content they can't even access without getting rid of "old" content.

This is a breeding pet site. Why are we limited to what we can breed ? I adore this game, play it everyday, spend my money on it, I want to be able to continue playing it. Reaching the cap will force me to get rid of so many loved dragons...just to keep up with the ever-changing content.

You need to balance output of content with how much content can be used - lair expansion limits is not this balance. While we know nothing about this alluded "storage", I'm very worried about what it'll be. Switching out dragons or setting them aside seems all good and all, but in the end...the amount of dragons we can hold is limited. There is only so much a storage / bank can do.

If the people with ten pages can afford more, let them buy more? Being able to buy more, whatever the price, is better than this space limit not allowing us to do anything at all.

Coliseum loadout is understandable , having more dragons means loading more dragons into the Organize Party section and etc. However...your game is growing. You need to be able to grow your capabilities with it, to be an efficient game. I understand this game is run by volunteers and has a small team, but you have to consider what you need to prioritize on to stabilize your product.

Sure, not everyone in the game is maxed out. However...those who are, probably spend real money on this game - being able to provide to your source of support is very important in the success of the site.

In all honesty, this game has limited features, so limiting those features ( collecting more and more dragons ) just isn't an effective way of developing the site.

I love this game thoroughly - this was not meant to antagonize the team or anything of the sort, just to clarify what I personally feel and to maybe help put the point across that we inevitably need more lair space. I am eager to continue supporting this game and want to see it's utmost success :)

VeiledOverdose wrote on 2018-02-06:
Since I'm one of those who are maxed, I'm going to have just a bit of a rant of sorts here because I wasn't exactly pleased upon reading that today.

I don't want dragon storage if, one, there's no increase in lair space, and two, if it's something where you can't do things with the dragon such as dress them/give them familiars. I'm a lore lair. I don't want to have a "storage" where dragons have no familiar, no bio, and no accent/apparel. I want to showcase my dragons, show off their lore and things about them, and that kind of a storage doesn't warrant that.

I'd be absolutely fine if it was in addition to more lair space. That's different, and I'm really hoping that's what they were implying. If not, staff, please reconsider, storage like that's not gonna help in the long run. I want to show off my dragons, show off their bios/eventual lore, not shove them to the side and out of my lair. No.

This is a dragon collecting game. Having a limit like that is against what this game's about.

Feeding/cost isn't as much of an issue. If people are maxed in both space and amount of dragons, they're obviously fine with paying the prices, and if their dragons are fed, have no problems feeding them, either. As for costs, have a limit. Don't make it keep going up. Have a cap. In fact all the last set of expansions were the same price. Keep it that way.

Sopheroo wrote on 2018-02-06:
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We have, however, heard loud and clear that players want more dragon storage. That's something that we're thinking about, even if it ends up not being in the form of additional lair slots.

Yeah, no. We have an opportunity for dragon storage, it's called "saving the pictures on our personal hard drives"

Lair expansions are a great money sink, and staff, one of two real money sinks you have. ;)

Haha first, exactly. I have a place offsite with dragon images put up and all. That's my storage. I don't need one here.

Two, that's another thing that is good about lair expansions. The big ones are huge money sinks! Advantage. Even with a cap that can still be a huge load of money out of the system.


Also, as for food, one, fix the gathering system. The fact I can still get ONE TWO-POINT FOOD ITEM when the section's at level 40 is something that needs to have something done about it. Make a stack limit. Make it so you get a certain amount of food points minimum. Also have it so you can't have a turn with ONLY A FAMILIAR and NOTHING ELSE. That one really irritates me and needs to be done away with. It's not the lair space that's a problem there, it's a different feature. I might not have issues since I gather and do Coli, but maybe fixing up gathering so it helps people who don't coli/coli much have less issues with food.

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I mean c'mon. I'm maxed and I don't struggle with food at all. I'm sure there are other maxed people who are the same way. Hell, I'm sure anyone who's maxed and is for more lair space don't have food issues. So really, that isn't a good reason at all to not increase the lair space cap. Because if other things get fixed, it's less of an issue.

As for the Coli, it's being rewritten/worked on. Make it so it doesn't have issues loading lots of dragons. If this was an issue, why did you work it so it can load all dragons, including ineligible dragons like HATCHLINGS? Hell, have it so it only loads some at a time and it'll load more as you scroll down so not all of them load at once. Bam, fixed.

butcherbaby wrote on 2018-02-06:
Some kind of storage could potentially be very useful! But let's get it ALONG WITH more lair expansions.

Others have mentioned it, but if they are going to keep releasing new genes, and new breeds, they are also going to have to keeps expanding lair space. How else are those with tons of permas going to have the room for them? Again, nobody wants to spend a fortune on carefully geneing up their dergs, buying apparel & skins, etc, just so they can exalt or get rid of them because they need room for new dragons.

Working on expanded lair space should be a PRIORITY, since not only are lair spaces a huge money sink, so are GENES, both treasure & gem, and gene scrolls. No room for new dragons = no money (in game or real life) spent on genes & breed changes. If they don't work on expanding the game capacity to fit player needs, they are going to be shooting themselves in the foot.

My thoughts exactly.

Guh. Since new apparel/familiars/skins and accents/genes come out fairly frequently, having a lair space cap like this and possibly only offering storage instead of more space is punishing people who are maxed and are dragon collectors and all. Why should we be limited like this when new stuff for dragons come out all the time? I DON'T WANT to kick any more dragons out of my lair. I struggled to exalt one last night because I got an idea and wanted to bring someone else in. I know I don't want to keep struggling like that, and I know other people don't want to either. So please, if you're going to add storage things, add more lair space WITH IT so people can keep collecting dragons, without having to kick others out or shove them into a storage thing which might possibly not allow things like apparel and bios (and breeding, which would most definitely not be allowed, thinking of people who have lots of space taken up by breeding projects).



When we want more lair space, we want MORE LAIR SPACE, not storage options which may not help anything. Please don't avoid what we want in favor of something that we weren't asking for that isn't the same thing at all.
hat17 wrote on 2018-02-08:
The thing that I'm worried about and the reason why I posted in this thread was to voice my concerns over the idea of a 'storage' over 'more lair spaces'. What you said here is what I have in mind when I saw the word 'storage', but there might be additional restrictions (eg, cooldown period; hunger level, etc) to stop people from exploiting the feature. We just don't know what can happen, and yes I agree since we don't know we probably shouldn't jump on it yet, but I'd rather tell staff what exactly we're looking for when we want more lair space to begin with, rather than wait until they roll out a new feature then said 'no that's not what we want'. I'd like them to get it right at the beginning if possible.

Tbh, the part that worries me the most in the Q&A post was not the word 'storage', but the reason why they are looking at storage instead of giving us more lair spaces. The only one that makes sense to me is the coliseum load-out time. The expansion costs and food are both non-issues that they use as reasons, and that's what worries me as to where they are heading...
Jemadar wrote on 2018-02-10:
The thing is, there HAS to be a difference between storage and lair space, and that is what has everyone concerned. We can already assume that 'storage' would mean, due to the wording on the Q&A, that these dragons do not eat food (more mouths to feed) and that they do not coli (coli-loadout). We can also assume that either storage would be 'free' or it would be cheaper than expanding your lair fully (the next expansions would have to be at least as expensive as the previous one) If the dragons do not eat food, but can do everything else and the storage is cheaper to get, then essentially this would break the economy because players could dump their breeding pairs into this storage and never worry about feeding them. They would also then have all those spaces to breed fodder, so they wouldn't buy the dragons from the AH (why bother buying dragons to exalt when you can have a certain number of breeding pairs, that don't eat, so you can basically hatch a nest a day and exalt those babies? Even 2 nests a day. I know it wouldn't stop all people from buying dragons to exalt, but it would stop some, especially with all the drama that buying to exalt causes)

Not to mention, players could keep two dragons in their 'lair' and easily keep their well fed bonus by feeding those two dragons, and then selling the excess food, while still having tons of dragons to breed and collect.

So, judging by that, there would need to have more restrictions on the storage than just no coli and no feeding, and truthfully, with the idea of being able to stick all but one or two dragons into storage (as I don't breed my dragons that often and I coli only sporadically, but could keep my coli dragons out and just haul out fodder dragons when I feel like training them) it would still have a negative effect on the economy. So, no coli, no breeding, and perhaps other restrictions to prevent abuse, such as things like instead of buying slots, you have unlimited, but you can't change anything about the dragon (it keeps apparel, bios, and familiars when put into storage, but it can't be changed until it is taken out of storage) and a cost to put dragons into storage and take them out.

I do agree that we need more information on exactly what this storage entails, but without that information, it is easy to jump to conclusions. As I believe thecatsred said, it is much better to hash out what is wanted/needed NOW before the work has, presumably, started on the mechanic than after it has started or after it has been presented to the user base as a mechanic. It is much easier to change a concept than code or a finished product.
Alyxsandre wrote on 2018-02-21 19:37:57:
I'm happy I didn't go along with posting a new thread and searched instead

I've been capped for almost a year now and let me tell you, it is the most painful thing in the face of the planet. I've had to exalt dragons I spent REAL MONEY on so I can breed my breeding pairs, give away dragons I wanted cross-lair lore with, and just overall destroy my sanity over trying to find dragons I could maybe get rid of because I just didn't have the space.

I don't Coli and yet I can still feed ALL my dragons only by gathering (8P to everyone who says you can't. I'm living proof), I don't participate in dom, I don't even hatch g1s to sell or buy to flip.

I merely collect. I breed combos I love, scatter G1s for OC dragons, collect old dragons to spoil, etc.
I would even say screw it and be ok with paying GEMS for expansions because that's how desperate I am for them! I WANT to try to breed for pretty XYZ pairs to spred the love for more underrated colors, I WANT to do so much but yet I'm here being forced to get rid of dragons I've loved for LITERAL YEARS just because I can't hatch a nest.

Storage would be cool for exalting lairs, but not for collectors :/
I really want this to be addressed soon, because my heart breaks every time I'm forced to get rid of a dragon or stop my breeding projects just because I don't have the space any more...

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@Taarnfalk it would be good for exalting lairs. During a push week you could store all your permas except for your coli team and then fill up your lair with fodder to train, then pull out all your permas again. You could also store dragons when you're working on a specific breeding project, and switch between projects. I can see its benefits in a lot of different ways. But I also see your point about more lair space. Honestly both could work, they both have their uses.
@Taarnfalk it would be good for exalting lairs. During a push week you could store all your permas except for your coli team and then fill up your lair with fodder to train, then pull out all your permas again. You could also store dragons when you're working on a specific breeding project, and switch between projects. I can see its benefits in a lot of different ways. But I also see your point about more lair space. Honestly both could work, they both have their uses.
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I'd like to know what 'bigger load-outs in Coliseum' means?

With all the great familiars and gorgeous skins/accents/apparel that we keep getting (Don't stop!)I need more dragons to display this all! 200 is no longer enough...
I'd like to know what 'bigger load-outs in Coliseum' means?

With all the great familiars and gorgeous skins/accents/apparel that we keep getting (Don't stop!)I need more dragons to display this all! 200 is no longer enough...
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@ShadesofFantasy Dragon storage could work for some I agree :D Im just not one of them and I know there are many out there who now have put all their "lets buy dragons" on hold because we dont want to store our dragons in a storage....

It´s a sad day for many collectors :/
@ShadesofFantasy Dragon storage could work for some I agree :D Im just not one of them and I know there are many out there who now have put all their "lets buy dragons" on hold because we dont want to store our dragons in a storage....

It´s a sad day for many collectors :/
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I like the idea of storage, personally. I don't mind the idea of more lair space, but not if it meant making the game unbalanced for those of us who prefer to have a more manageable number of dragons.
I like the idea of storage, personally. I don't mind the idea of more lair space, but not if it meant making the game unbalanced for those of us who prefer to have a more manageable number of dragons.
I don't know, I see your point, but the idea of having a place to store dragons seems like a great idea to me. Quite a few of my dragons aren't bred anymore, aren't used in the coliseum, and are simply kept for sentimental and lore purposes. If there was an option to store them someplace where they are still visible, but just out of the way to clear up lair space for other dragons and projects, I'd certainly use it, and it seems like people who collect old and gen one dragons would benefit the most from such a feature!

Perhaps it could just be a place to store them temporarily. While there, they can't be bred or be used in the coli, but you'd be able to free up much needed space, and as long as there's an option to place them back in your lair whenever you'd like, I don't see a downside.
I don't know, I see your point, but the idea of having a place to store dragons seems like a great idea to me. Quite a few of my dragons aren't bred anymore, aren't used in the coliseum, and are simply kept for sentimental and lore purposes. If there was an option to store them someplace where they are still visible, but just out of the way to clear up lair space for other dragons and projects, I'd certainly use it, and it seems like people who collect old and gen one dragons would benefit the most from such a feature!

Perhaps it could just be a place to store them temporarily. While there, they can't be bred or be used in the coli, but you'd be able to free up much needed space, and as long as there's an option to place them back in your lair whenever you'd like, I don't see a downside.
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I definitely want lairspace over storage. It’s getting more and more frustrating to have to get rid of old dragons, dragons I spent a long time breeding or searching for, or whatever, just to be able to have a dragon with the new genes. Not to mention all the time and monies spent training them to level 25 and geneing them. Dragons are the most fun part of this game, so it’s awful to have to sell or exalt what I've worked so hard on. It'll be even worse if they release a new breed.

And I'd have no difficulty feeding them or paying high prices to house them. I understand the coli loading issue, but maybe there can be a thing where dragons need to be in the first 200 slots (since it already loads 200) to be eligible for the coli. That way the game only has to load the first 200 dragons of any lair. It would be a pain, but better than having my dragons stuffed in some storage somewhere.

I'll be super disappointed if we never get any more lair expansion spaces.

EDIT - Upon further thought, I'd be okay with storage if it allowed us to still see many dragons per page and also be able to see the dragon and it’s bio like we can now on their individual page. I've been working on a CYOA with the dragons in my lair and if their bios were not readable in storage, then it would mess the whole thing up. I don't mind them not being breedable or not being able to go in the coli. Most of mine are level 25 already and many of the old ones I don't breed any more. (But I'd still like it to be easy to swap them out with not stored dragons if I did want to breed or train them.)
I definitely want lairspace over storage. It’s getting more and more frustrating to have to get rid of old dragons, dragons I spent a long time breeding or searching for, or whatever, just to be able to have a dragon with the new genes. Not to mention all the time and monies spent training them to level 25 and geneing them. Dragons are the most fun part of this game, so it’s awful to have to sell or exalt what I've worked so hard on. It'll be even worse if they release a new breed.

And I'd have no difficulty feeding them or paying high prices to house them. I understand the coli loading issue, but maybe there can be a thing where dragons need to be in the first 200 slots (since it already loads 200) to be eligible for the coli. That way the game only has to load the first 200 dragons of any lair. It would be a pain, but better than having my dragons stuffed in some storage somewhere.

I'll be super disappointed if we never get any more lair expansion spaces.

EDIT - Upon further thought, I'd be okay with storage if it allowed us to still see many dragons per page and also be able to see the dragon and it’s bio like we can now on their individual page. I've been working on a CYOA with the dragons in my lair and if their bios were not readable in storage, then it would mess the whole thing up. I don't mind them not being breedable or not being able to go in the coli. Most of mine are level 25 already and many of the old ones I don't breed any more. (But I'd still like it to be easy to swap them out with not stored dragons if I did want to breed or train them.)
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Wait what.

Where is this Dragon Storage news coming from?

Did I miss something?
Wait what.

Where is this Dragon Storage news coming from?

Did I miss something?
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[quote name="TimeStandStill" date=2018-02-06 12:25:58] Wait what. Where is this Dragon Storage news coming from? Did I miss something? [/quote] @TimeStandStill its in the new Q & A [quote]While the act of increasing the cap isn't difficult, it does go hand-in-hand with having more mouths to feed and maintain, and bigger load-outs in Coliseum. In addition, lair slots are quite pricey, and new lair spaces would have to be at least as expensive as the tiers below them. While we could just pile on more lair slots, that may not be the best route taken. We have, however, heard loud and clear that players want more dragon storage. That's something that we're thinking about, even if it ends up not being in the form of additional lair slots.[/quote] @BashfulBat I really dont want temporal storage for my dragons. I get why it would work for some but everything has it places in my lair. Every dragon is there for a reason. I want soo many more old dragons IN my lair. Not in a storage of some sort..
TimeStandStill wrote on 2018-02-06:
Wait what.

Where is this Dragon Storage news coming from?

Did I miss something?

@TimeStandStill its in the new Q & A
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While the act of increasing the cap isn't difficult, it does go hand-in-hand with having more mouths to feed and maintain, and bigger load-outs in Coliseum. In addition, lair slots are quite pricey, and new lair spaces would have to be at least as expensive as the tiers below them. While we could just pile on more lair slots, that may not be the best route taken.

We have, however, heard loud and clear that players want more dragon storage. That's something that we're thinking about, even if it ends up not being in the form of additional lair slots.

@BashfulBat I really dont want temporal storage for my dragons. I get why it would work for some but everything has it places in my lair. Every dragon is there for a reason. I want soo many more old dragons IN my lair. Not in a storage of some sort..
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I don’t use lair space that common but i know the feeling when gen ones will need more space. They are a tone of combines that alot need to gather, plus big lairs are great for dom folders. The person will need alot of food if that the case. Or, add an another expansion in hopes prices will lower?


More the better!
I don’t use lair space that common but i know the feeling when gen ones will need more space. They are a tone of combines that alot need to gather, plus big lairs are great for dom folders. The person will need alot of food if that the case. Or, add an another expansion in hopes prices will lower?


More the better!
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