I really don't know what to do. All of this came up last minute. DX
TOPIC | [FIN]What On Earth Is Going On Discussio
Oh boy looks like I'm leaning towards scum for a lot of people. I would respond but there's only 1 minute left and it's also almost midnight so I'll do that tomorrow.
Lockdown. Any votes after this will not be counted. Please do not post before I dump up EoTD.
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Lockdown. Any votes after this will not be counted. Please do not post before I dump up EoTD.
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Players: @MorRioghan @Comba @Skydancer10 @Shimmerwing @Shadowlugia711 @V88 @EmberTheSkywing @MagykalWagykal @Nerasis @Cognitive @Sevlyna @Solcie
Subs: @Agrina @Pinkydapinkslime
Specs: @Maithax @Luxurious @Tanglefire
[center][size=5]End of Day 2[/size][/center]
Modgod is not feeling well so no flavor, sorry :/
The Overseer asks everyone about their lunch target, wham wham wham streaks of light converge in the middle of the clearing and show Shadow's name
Bam swoosh The Overseer now has a screen up and Shadow's rolecard is seen by all:
[quote]Welcome to the game, ShadowLugia711! You are aligned with the [color=green]town[/color]. You win when all members of the mafia are eliminated, and at least one member of the town is alive
Every night, you will give a piece of fruit (you can decide what fruit!) to a player. They will be notified that they get the fruit, and the fruit does nothing. This action is compulsory: if you do not submit an action, you will target a random player.
This is your quicktopic for mod communications.
Do not share any links to quicktopics with other people.
Good luck, ShadowLugia711![/quote]
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[b]Shadowlugia711 has been lynched. They were [color=green]town fruit vendor[/color].[/b]
Night 2 has begun! You may resume posting.
[b]Night 2 will end on 00FRT, 8 April 2019.[/b] Night actions submitted after this will not be counted.
Players: @MorRioghan @Comba @Skydancer10 @Shimmerwing @Shadowlugia711 @V88 @EmberTheSkywing @MagykalWagykal @Nerasis @Cognitive @Sevlyna @Solcie
Subs: @Agrina @Pinkydapinkslime
Specs: @Maithax @Luxurious @Tanglefire
Modgod is not feeling well so no flavor, sorry :/
The Overseer asks everyone about their lunch target, wham wham wham streaks of light converge in the middle of the clearing and show Shadow's name
Bam swoosh The Overseer now has a screen up and Shadow's rolecard is seen by all:
Shadowlugia711 has been lynched. They were town fruit vendor.
Night 2 has begun! You may resume posting.
Night 2 will end on 00FRT, 8 April 2019. Night actions submitted after this will not be counted.
Subs: @Agrina @Pinkydapinkslime
Specs: @Maithax @Luxurious @Tanglefire
End of Day 2
Modgod is not feeling well so no flavor, sorry :/
The Overseer asks everyone about their lunch target, wham wham wham streaks of light converge in the middle of the clearing and show Shadow's name
Bam swoosh The Overseer now has a screen up and Shadow's rolecard is seen by all:
Quote:
Welcome to the game, ShadowLugia711! You are aligned with the town. You win when all members of the mafia are eliminated, and at least one member of the town is alive
Every night, you will give a piece of fruit (you can decide what fruit!) to a player. They will be notified that they get the fruit, and the fruit does nothing. This action is compulsory: if you do not submit an action, you will target a random player.
This is your quicktopic for mod communications.
Do not share any links to quicktopics with other people.
Good luck, ShadowLugia711!
Every night, you will give a piece of fruit (you can decide what fruit!) to a player. They will be notified that they get the fruit, and the fruit does nothing. This action is compulsory: if you do not submit an action, you will target a random player.
This is your quicktopic for mod communications.
Do not share any links to quicktopics with other people.
Good luck, ShadowLugia711!
Shadowlugia711 has been lynched. They were town fruit vendor.
Night 2 has begun! You may resume posting.
Night 2 will end on 00FRT, 8 April 2019. Night actions submitted after this will not be counted.
[quote name="V88" date="2019-04-06 23:54:39" ]
I'm probably going to place a vote on Shadow. If they are a fruit vendor they are probably town, but I don't really know who else to vote for.
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@v88 This is the definition of sheeping. "Oh no, just got on, don't know who to vote for and if I don't jump on with the main group, I'm going to die." Do you understand how suspicious that is? You even admit that you think they're town because you got a fruit from them. Why wouldn't you bring that up earlier, anyway? I suppose maybe you weren't online earlier today, but we had two days. When it was clear he was coming under suspicion, why didn't you save him with a "He's the fruit vendor, he gave me a fruit."
All of this makes you look more and more suspicious. I wasn't seeing it before. I had you as a true neutral, trying to get a better read, but look at this!
[quote name="V88" date="2019-04-06 23:59:48" ]
Oh boy looks like I'm leaning towards scum for a lot of people. I would respond but there's only 1 minute left and it's also almost midnight so I'll do that tomorrow.
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You're right, you are leaning towards scum for a lot of people now. I made a mistake in voting out someone I thought could be mafia because of how quiet they were, how lurky they were. You intentionally voted someone out that you knew was a member of the town and admitted to it.
Scum. That just screams scum.
V88 wrote on 2019-04-06 23:54:39:
I'm probably going to place a vote on Shadow. If they are a fruit vendor they are probably town, but I don't really know who else to vote for.
@v88 This is the definition of sheeping. "Oh no, just got on, don't know who to vote for and if I don't jump on with the main group, I'm going to die." Do you understand how suspicious that is? You even admit that you think they're town because you got a fruit from them. Why wouldn't you bring that up earlier, anyway? I suppose maybe you weren't online earlier today, but we had two days. When it was clear he was coming under suspicion, why didn't you save him with a "He's the fruit vendor, he gave me a fruit."
All of this makes you look more and more suspicious. I wasn't seeing it before. I had you as a true neutral, trying to get a better read, but look at this!
V88 wrote on 2019-04-06 23:59:48:
Oh boy looks like I'm leaning towards scum for a lot of people. I would respond but there's only 1 minute left and it's also almost midnight so I'll do that tomorrow.
You're right, you are leaning towards scum for a lot of people now. I made a mistake in voting out someone I thought could be mafia because of how quiet they were, how lurky they were. You intentionally voted someone out that you knew was a member of the town and admitted to it.
Scum. That just screams scum.
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god if i had been up still we could have maybe avoided this
gotten v88 to vote for nera instead of shadow and switched my vote
though, to be fair, hindsight is 20/20 and nera could easily be town too
on another note, I'm going on an 8 hour road trip today so i'll only have maybe one post other than this
gotten v88 to vote for nera instead of shadow and switched my vote
though, to be fair, hindsight is 20/20 and nera could easily be town too
on another note, I'm going on an 8 hour road trip today so i'll only have maybe one post other than this
god if i had been up still we could have maybe avoided this
gotten v88 to vote for nera instead of shadow and switched my vote
though, to be fair, hindsight is 20/20 and nera could easily be town too
on another note, I'm going on an 8 hour road trip today so i'll only have maybe one post other than this
gotten v88 to vote for nera instead of shadow and switched my vote
though, to be fair, hindsight is 20/20 and nera could easily be town too
on another note, I'm going on an 8 hour road trip today so i'll only have maybe one post other than this
[quote name="Comba" date="2019-04-07 08:55:56" ]
[b]god if i had been up still we could have maybe avoided this[/b]
gotten v88 to vote for nera instead of shadow and switched my vote
though, to be fair, hindsight is 20/20 and nera could easily be town too
on another note, I'm going on an 8 hour road trip today so i'll only have maybe one post other than this
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@comba
I feel the same. I wish I would've been up so that we could have avoided this altogether. Alas, I had already been up past midnight EST and really needed to get some sleep. I waited until the last possible moment (for me) before casting my vote...
Also, have fun on your road trip!
Comba wrote on 2019-04-07 08:55:56:
god if i had been up still we could have maybe avoided this
gotten v88 to vote for nera instead of shadow and switched my vote
though, to be fair, hindsight is 20/20 and nera could easily be town too
on another note, I'm going on an 8 hour road trip today so i'll only have maybe one post other than this
gotten v88 to vote for nera instead of shadow and switched my vote
though, to be fair, hindsight is 20/20 and nera could easily be town too
on another note, I'm going on an 8 hour road trip today so i'll only have maybe one post other than this
I feel the same. I wish I would've been up so that we could have avoided this altogether. Alas, I had already been up past midnight EST and really needed to get some sleep. I waited until the last possible moment (for me) before casting my vote...
Also, have fun on your road trip!
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[quote name="@V88" date="2019-04-06 23:54:39" ]
I'm probably going to place a vote on Shadow. If they are a fruit vendor [b]they are probably town, but I don't really know who else to vote for.[/b]
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... wait just a sec, you knew Shadow was town, and were 'pretty sure', but decided to vote for them anyway?
You'd vote for someone you thought was town, and who actually did turn out to be town?
[quote name="Comba" date="2019-04-06 16:05:19" ]
MagykalWagykal - slight townlean
As much as I hassle her, she's so consistent in making me irritated that I'm starting to believe it's just a play-style. The abrupt transition from voting me to believing sincerely that I'm town is a bit jarring, though. I don't think she has bad intentions, but that's just a gut feeling.
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Thank you? I guess? xD I believe you're town because you roleclaimed. If you're Mafia, it will be hilariously easy to prove that when who you say gets blocked doesn't get blocked. There's no viable reason at all for you to lie. Therefore, you're probably town, or soon-to-be-lynched Mafia. No point in wasting energy sussing you now.
[quote name="@Comba" date="2019-04-06 14:56:05" ]
-Snippers, cause this is LONG-
[quote name="@/MagykalWagykal" date="2019-04-04 07:12:13" ]
[quote name="EccentricElf23" date="2019-04-03 19:04:28" ]
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I'm suspicious of @/MagykalWagykal because they seemed to be really aggressive towards other players. It felt like they were trying to rile people up and then hopefully direct our attention towards someone else in order to get a lynch. Specifically, this seemed to be directed towards @/Comba
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Well, yeah. I'm very in favor of Day 1 lynches. xD If we don't point out small things, we won't get that vital information from the first lynch.
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That ... doesn't answer what they pointed out? at all? Elf essentially said "you target people, and then point at someone else while ignoring them fighting back" The purpose being to direct sus at a lot of people, so one gets lynched. [/b]
You responded by saying "yeah i do that because i like d1 lynches" but ignored the accusation of ignoring the important messages from people who've responded to your sus - exactly what you did here, too.
[quote name="MagykalWagykal" date="2019-04-04 07:12:13" ]
[quote name="MorRioghan" date="2019-04-03 17:42:53" ]
I also tend to find people really vocal in calling others out to be suspicious myself. Like the whole idea of... Spread the guilt to everyone else so no one looks or points fingers towards you, I guess.
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Yeah... but if you don't call out others, we would have literally no discussion and the game would be stagnant while the Mafia slowly whittled us away. xD
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This builds upon what I just said. Pointing a finger at everyone, and not dealing with the consequences. [b]Obviously, you have to call out others to spark discussion, but yelling at e v e r y o n e isn't you helping. Sure, it gets other people interested in the small things you pointed out, but you're not doing any of the further investigation. [/b]
[s]also ghshfdusb this doesn't relate to much but god do i despise when people use emoticons[/s]
[quote name="MagykalWagykal" date="2019-04-04 07:12:13" ]
[quote name="Cognitive" date="2019-04-03 17:41:02" ]
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@/MagykalWagykal Where does it come across that Comba is convinced Shimmer is town? Looking through what you brought up it reads more as Comba was only saying that they felt Shimmer's posts weren't as suspicious as you thought.
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'Convinced is town' mayyyyyy have been a bit of an overstatement. xD I was just figuring that if you DIDN'T really think someone was town, would you put that much effort into a defense post? Maybe that was just a wording thing, me jumping to conclusions.
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Yeah, right. That's not just a wording thing. jumping to conclusions is what you did - now, did you have an agenda in mind when you said that? possibly.
I know someone else already pointed this out, but the "may have been a bit of an overstatement" is horrid. [b]This whole reply is just a lot of excuses, sans the second sentence. Did you really need the other three? Leaving it with the second sentence would have made sense enough.[/b]
[quote name="MagykalWagykal" date="2019-04-04 07:12:13" ]
[quote name="Comba" date="2019-04-03 11:42:14" ]
[s]snip[/s]
and with your final comment on Nera there, he is a vet player. He was in the first game I ever played, I know that much. Just because someone's good doesn't mean they're trustworthy - just means they're more dangerous as scum and more helpful as town
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[s]snip[/s]
I'm just here to point out what I can while I'm alive. Very few of us'll make it to the end of the game- we'll be lynched, nightkilled, whatever-ed. That's why we have a group wincon- and when you win as a group, you have to play for the group, not for yourself.
And, regarding Nera, that's absolutely true! I don't think I ever said that was not true. (<-- why I quote allllllllll the posts, to keep things in context xD) Could you quote what I said again so I could respond to THAT? :)
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First paragraph - I know i do this myself, but I dislike when people talk as though they're town. Like, I did my best to prove that I'm town, but when others do it without having any evidence .. it's ehh..
Second paragraph - here's the quote:
[quote name="MagykalWagykal" date="2019-04-03 11:21:33" ]
[s]snip[/s]
As to being all 'buddy-buddy' with Nerasis...
I think @/Nerasis is just a veteran player- and a good one, too. I think I saw him in action once before in Witches Revolt. He agreed with me on the Shimmerwing thing since he knows that usually that's the sort of stuff that gets Mafia lynched- little slip-ups.
Also, if agreeing with someone is considered suspicious, we'd better lynch the whole place, starting with me, since I've done that a lot before. xD
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I'm sorry if I leave out quotes or snip a lot, I just want to make my endlessly long posts somewhat less long. If I'm directly talking to one person, I assume they know what I'm talking about without me needing to quote it.
Analysis on the quote you asked me for: You never said it wasn't true, but you suggested it - you said "that's what gets mafia lynched" - implying he was town, and thus not possibly dangerous scum. I said you shouldn't trust him just because he's a vet, which is what you're doing. Also, "little slip ups" in reference to something that wasn't even a slip up - something you misinterpreted yourself.
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Agreeing with someone CAN be suspicious. In most cases, it's not - people agree on actions others have taken. On the other hand, it can suggest a shared agenda.[/b]
[quote name="MagykalWagykal" date="2019-04-04 08:44:17" ]
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Um. Also. I can vouch for us making up problems and Nera quitting due to stress- pretty sure that's just blatant honesty, not guilt-tripping. Just wanted to put that out there. :) Though I definitely agree that the 'you'll miss me when I'm gone' part WAS little odd...
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Yeah, I don't doubt that you had problems. The thing is that he already mentioned that in a completely separate post, so there was absolutely no need to say it again here. The only reason would be to push his new objective.
[quote name="Sevlyna" date="2019-04-04 23:22:59" ]
As of now,I don't really find anyone suspicious,although that could be because I have no patience to scroll through everything.The only one I'm a little suspicious about is Solcie and MagykalWagykal.
For Solcie I have this feeling that something's not right,while the latter is 'cause their post on topics to discuss involved some irrelevant ones,which seemed like they were meant to distract.On the other hand, I could be wrong and those were actually for fun.
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who .. are you?? I checked your post history and evidently you've posted some, but it really goes to show how effective lurking can be. Also, I get the "no patience" thing - a lot of the time, I just skip over big posts because I don't care enough to read them. What I'm seeing more and more, though, is that the posts really aren't that long - they only look long because of all the quotes.
@Nerasis I know I'm being pretty harsh on you, but honestly, the fondest memory of playing one of these games was one you hosted (I've forgotten the name, but it had like 7 factions) - Don't feel bad about yourself! You're an awesome and cool vampire idol.
[quote name="MagykalWagykal" date="2019-04-05 06:19:48" ]
[quote name="Comba" date="2019-04-05 05:08:04" ]
So here's my way:
Sorry @/MagykalWagykal , but it does require a claim
I RB'd you.
Do you accept or deny this?
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I accept it. :) Storm simply said, 'Your action has been noted', and [b]I didn't get to see the results.[/b] So I guess you're conftown now, unless the Mafia has a roleblocker, which, ehhh. I'm pretty sure you're town now, especially with Shimmerwing's death.
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[b]OwO what's this? your action gives results? some type of investigator mayhaps?
New question : Do you accept or deny the above observation? :p[/b]
- Final snippers-
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Ooooooookay, here we go! :)
1st bold: so, essentially, what Eccentric was saying was, 'you only point out everything wrong with people so you can get a lynch', which is absolutely true! :) The whole point of noticing suspicious things is to get a lynch.
I'm sorry if it feels like I've ignored statements from players defending themselves- usually, if I lay off and move on, it's because I've already noted whatever they did in the first place in my spreadsheet and their reaction wasn't suspicious. Part of the point of pointing out little things is to watch reactions, and when that reaction is so totally un-suspicious-ly benign, there's really nothing to say except like, 'okaydoke' and move on.
You were also a little worried, it looks like, of my tendency to jump around and accuse EVERYONE. I assure you that this is my regular gameplay (please, feel free to go dig through the forums! My most definitive example of this was House of Lies, although Cog told me earlier that it's been deleted... so, try any game timed after Train of Kites Mafia (because before, I was a flailing newb xD). I try to not have 'town-goggles' (i.e., seeing someone as town and ignoring all their faults) for anyone, instead preferring to see EVERYONE- except those exhonorated- as potential Mafia.
Tunnel vision is bad, very bad. When you see people as more suspicious and keep harping on them no matter what they do, that can be really, really dangerous for town, since Mafia will be able to fly under the radar. Always squint at everyone equally.
I hope that clears things up! :)
2nd bold! This really isn't much to add- here you basically say I accuse everyone. You mean this as an insult, but I'll take it as a compliment, since it means I'll have at least some data on everyone- although some more suspicious than others- and that will help me avoid tunneling.
Although it is a good point that I'm not doing a lot of 'further investigation', although I'm not sure what that would entail... I push, I gather reactions, I collect data and analyze it and bring up what I find. How do you think I could improve this area of gameplay? :)
Also, really??? What's not to like about emoticons? :DDDDDDDDDD They're a good way to express oneself and make one's posts that much more colorful and entertaining.
3rd bold!
Yikesssssss. Okay. So. Let me get this straight: if I brush it off or make a joke, I'm dodging and that's highly suspicious. If I tell people why I said it in the first place, I'm making excuses and that's also highly suspicious.
Heads you win, tails I lose.
Welp. I'm just going to stop addressing this further- I've told you why, and you can choose whether or not you would like to believe me or not. If you'd like to suss me, please do, but please find fresh, [i]relevant[/i] evidence that I haven't already addressed. There you go. Good-bye. :)
NEXT!
4th bold:
You're absolutely right here- and that's why I called you out on the Shimmerwing thing in the first place, regardless of whether it was the right call or not. :)
Really getting a little tired of this double-standard-ing. Accuse me if you will and I'd be delighted to look into it with you, but I will not be held doubly accountable for something that you and plenty of others do simply because you don't like my playstyle.
5th bold:
Why don't you say that a little[i] louder[/i] so all the Mafia players can hear I'm the investigator conventiently in time to kill me?
Honestly, I'm a little annoyed with this, Comba. The rest is kind of meh, but you're just going to go revealing my role all over the place without my permission or anything?
'HEY, MAFIA, WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE GAME RIGHT OVER HERE, COME AND GET IT!'
There's a reason why roleclaiming is bad, and that's because the Mafia knows the most important people to target. Protectors can't protect everyone at once.
I guess I'd better do all my scumhunting now, because I'll be dead tomorrow. Splendid.
@V88 wrote on 2019-04-06 23:54:39:
I'm probably going to place a vote on Shadow. If they are a fruit vendor they are probably town, but I don't really know who else to vote for.
... wait just a sec, you knew Shadow was town, and were 'pretty sure', but decided to vote for them anyway?
You'd vote for someone you thought was town, and who actually did turn out to be town?
Comba wrote on 2019-04-06 16:05:19:
MagykalWagykal - slight townlean
As much as I hassle her, she's so consistent in making me irritated that I'm starting to believe it's just a play-style. The abrupt transition from voting me to believing sincerely that I'm town is a bit jarring, though. I don't think she has bad intentions, but that's just a gut feeling.
Thank you? I guess? xD I believe you're town because you roleclaimed. If you're Mafia, it will be hilariously easy to prove that when who you say gets blocked doesn't get blocked. There's no viable reason at all for you to lie. Therefore, you're probably town, or soon-to-be-lynched Mafia. No point in wasting energy sussing you now.
@Comba wrote on 2019-04-06 14:56:05:
-Snippers, cause this is LONG-
@/MagykalWagykal wrote on 2019-04-04 07:12:13:
EccentricElf23 wrote on 2019-04-03 19:04:28:
I'm suspicious of @/MagykalWagykal because they seemed to be really aggressive towards other players. It felt like they were trying to rile people up and then hopefully direct our attention towards someone else in order to get a lynch. Specifically, this seemed to be directed towards @/Comba
Well, yeah. I'm very in favor of Day 1 lynches. xD If we don't point out small things, we won't get that vital information from the first lynch.
That ... doesn't answer what they pointed out? at all? Elf essentially said "you target people, and then point at someone else while ignoring them fighting back" The purpose being to direct sus at a lot of people, so one gets lynched.
You responded by saying "yeah i do that because i like d1 lynches" but ignored the accusation of ignoring the important messages from people who've responded to your sus - exactly what you did here, too.
MagykalWagykal wrote on 2019-04-04 07:12:13:
MorRioghan wrote on 2019-04-03 17:42:53:
I also tend to find people really vocal in calling others out to be suspicious myself. Like the whole idea of... Spread the guilt to everyone else so no one looks or points fingers towards you, I guess.
Yeah... but if you don't call out others, we would have literally no discussion and the game would be stagnant while the Mafia slowly whittled us away. xD
This builds upon what I just said. Pointing a finger at everyone, and not dealing with the consequences. Obviously, you have to call out others to spark discussion, but yelling at e v e r y o n e isn't you helping. Sure, it gets other people interested in the small things you pointed out, but you're not doing any of the further investigation.
MagykalWagykal wrote on 2019-04-04 07:12:13:
Cognitive wrote on 2019-04-03 17:41:02:
@/MagykalWagykal Where does it come across that Comba is convinced Shimmer is town? Looking through what you brought up it reads more as Comba was only saying that they felt Shimmer's posts weren't as suspicious as you thought.
'Convinced is town' mayyyyyy have been a bit of an overstatement. xD I was just figuring that if you DIDN'T really think someone was town, would you put that much effort into a defense post? Maybe that was just a wording thing, me jumping to conclusions.
Yeah, right. That's not just a wording thing. jumping to conclusions is what you did - now, did you have an agenda in mind when you said that? possibly.
I know someone else already pointed this out, but the "may have been a bit of an overstatement" is horrid. This whole reply is just a lot of excuses, sans the second sentence. Did you really need the other three? Leaving it with the second sentence would have made sense enough.
MagykalWagykal wrote on 2019-04-04 07:12:13:
Comba wrote on 2019-04-03 11:42:14:
and with your final comment on Nera there, he is a vet player. He was in the first game I ever played, I know that much. Just because someone's good doesn't mean they're trustworthy - just means they're more dangerous as scum and more helpful as town
I'm just here to point out what I can while I'm alive. Very few of us'll make it to the end of the game- we'll be lynched, nightkilled, whatever-ed. That's why we have a group wincon- and when you win as a group, you have to play for the group, not for yourself.
And, regarding Nera, that's absolutely true! I don't think I ever said that was not true. (<-- why I quote allllllllll the posts, to keep things in context xD) Could you quote what I said again so I could respond to THAT? :)
First paragraph - I know i do this myself, but I dislike when people talk as though they're town. Like, I did my best to prove that I'm town, but when others do it without having any evidence .. it's ehh..
Second paragraph - here's the quote:
MagykalWagykal wrote on 2019-04-03 11:21:33:
As to being all 'buddy-buddy' with Nerasis...
I think @/Nerasis is just a veteran player- and a good one, too. I think I saw him in action once before in Witches Revolt. He agreed with me on the Shimmerwing thing since he knows that usually that's the sort of stuff that gets Mafia lynched- little slip-ups.
Also, if agreeing with someone is considered suspicious, we'd better lynch the whole place, starting with me, since I've done that a lot before. xD
Analysis on the quote you asked me for: You never said it wasn't true, but you suggested it - you said "that's what gets mafia lynched" - implying he was town, and thus not possibly dangerous scum. I said you shouldn't trust him just because he's a vet, which is what you're doing. Also, "little slip ups" in reference to something that wasn't even a slip up - something you misinterpreted yourself.
Agreeing with someone CAN be suspicious. In most cases, it's not - people agree on actions others have taken. On the other hand, it can suggest a shared agenda.
MagykalWagykal wrote on 2019-04-04 08:44:17:
Um. Also. I can vouch for us making up problems and Nera quitting due to stress- pretty sure that's just blatant honesty, not guilt-tripping. Just wanted to put that out there. :) Though I definitely agree that the 'you'll miss me when I'm gone' part WAS little odd...
Sevlyna wrote on 2019-04-04 23:22:59:
As of now,I don't really find anyone suspicious,although that could be because I have no patience to scroll through everything.The only one I'm a little suspicious about is Solcie and MagykalWagykal.
For Solcie I have this feeling that something's not right,while the latter is 'cause their post on topics to discuss involved some irrelevant ones,which seemed like they were meant to distract.On the other hand, I could be wrong and those were actually for fun.
For Solcie I have this feeling that something's not right,while the latter is 'cause their post on topics to discuss involved some irrelevant ones,which seemed like they were meant to distract.On the other hand, I could be wrong and those were actually for fun.
@Nerasis I know I'm being pretty harsh on you, but honestly, the fondest memory of playing one of these games was one you hosted (I've forgotten the name, but it had like 7 factions) - Don't feel bad about yourself! You're an awesome and cool vampire idol.
MagykalWagykal wrote on 2019-04-05 06:19:48:
Comba wrote on 2019-04-05 05:08:04:
So here's my way:
Sorry @/MagykalWagykal , but it does require a claim
I RB'd you.
Do you accept or deny this?
Sorry @/MagykalWagykal , but it does require a claim
I RB'd you.
Do you accept or deny this?
I accept it. :) Storm simply said, 'Your action has been noted', and I didn't get to see the results. So I guess you're conftown now, unless the Mafia has a roleblocker, which, ehhh. I'm pretty sure you're town now, especially with Shimmerwing's death.
New question : Do you accept or deny the above observation? :p
- Final snippers-
Ooooooookay, here we go! :)
1st bold: so, essentially, what Eccentric was saying was, 'you only point out everything wrong with people so you can get a lynch', which is absolutely true! :) The whole point of noticing suspicious things is to get a lynch.
I'm sorry if it feels like I've ignored statements from players defending themselves- usually, if I lay off and move on, it's because I've already noted whatever they did in the first place in my spreadsheet and their reaction wasn't suspicious. Part of the point of pointing out little things is to watch reactions, and when that reaction is so totally un-suspicious-ly benign, there's really nothing to say except like, 'okaydoke' and move on.
You were also a little worried, it looks like, of my tendency to jump around and accuse EVERYONE. I assure you that this is my regular gameplay (please, feel free to go dig through the forums! My most definitive example of this was House of Lies, although Cog told me earlier that it's been deleted... so, try any game timed after Train of Kites Mafia (because before, I was a flailing newb xD). I try to not have 'town-goggles' (i.e., seeing someone as town and ignoring all their faults) for anyone, instead preferring to see EVERYONE- except those exhonorated- as potential Mafia.
Tunnel vision is bad, very bad. When you see people as more suspicious and keep harping on them no matter what they do, that can be really, really dangerous for town, since Mafia will be able to fly under the radar. Always squint at everyone equally.
I hope that clears things up! :)
2nd bold! This really isn't much to add- here you basically say I accuse everyone. You mean this as an insult, but I'll take it as a compliment, since it means I'll have at least some data on everyone- although some more suspicious than others- and that will help me avoid tunneling.
Although it is a good point that I'm not doing a lot of 'further investigation', although I'm not sure what that would entail... I push, I gather reactions, I collect data and analyze it and bring up what I find. How do you think I could improve this area of gameplay? :)
Also, really??? What's not to like about emoticons? :DDDDDDDDDD They're a good way to express oneself and make one's posts that much more colorful and entertaining.
3rd bold!
Yikesssssss. Okay. So. Let me get this straight: if I brush it off or make a joke, I'm dodging and that's highly suspicious. If I tell people why I said it in the first place, I'm making excuses and that's also highly suspicious.
Heads you win, tails I lose.
Welp. I'm just going to stop addressing this further- I've told you why, and you can choose whether or not you would like to believe me or not. If you'd like to suss me, please do, but please find fresh, relevant evidence that I haven't already addressed. There you go. Good-bye. :)
NEXT!
4th bold:
You're absolutely right here- and that's why I called you out on the Shimmerwing thing in the first place, regardless of whether it was the right call or not. :)
Really getting a little tired of this double-standard-ing. Accuse me if you will and I'd be delighted to look into it with you, but I will not be held doubly accountable for something that you and plenty of others do simply because you don't like my playstyle.
5th bold:
Why don't you say that a little louder so all the Mafia players can hear I'm the investigator conventiently in time to kill me?
Honestly, I'm a little annoyed with this, Comba. The rest is kind of meh, but you're just going to go revealing my role all over the place without my permission or anything?
'HEY, MAFIA, WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE GAME RIGHT OVER HERE, COME AND GET IT!'
There's a reason why roleclaiming is bad, and that's because the Mafia knows the most important people to target. Protectors can't protect everyone at once.
I guess I'd better do all my scumhunting now, because I'll be dead tomorrow. Splendid.
ENTP- True Neutral- she/her- +3 FR time
A Quickly Made Readlist (Due to Impending Death) That Is Subject To Spontaneous Change:
MorRioghan: Slight scumlean. I don't like how she's so quick to take credit for everything. There's been some other stuff, too, that I've already covered.
Comba: Has to be town because of her roleclaim. If she's Mafia, she'll be lynched as soon as it's proven she doesn't have her role, so she's probably town. Most likely town.
V88: Almost certainly scum. If V88 isn't scum, I don't know what's going on. The fact that he voted for someone he knew was town because everyone else was doing it is honestly evidence enough for me, although there was the whole lurking thing and sheeping and all that.
EmberTheSkywing: No read. Just kind of... there. She's said some helpful stuff, but not a lot. Very, very neutral. I'll watch her a little more.
Nerasis: I might just be falling into whatever Epic Vet Trap he has set up, but I'd be willing to bet that he's town, just from how everything's been going. I'm just not very comfortable with the rising tide of people who want to lynch him- it feels rushed, almost like the Mafia are bussing him to get rid of a valuable town player. I know it's kind of an unpopular opinion, but I'd say he's town.
Cognitive: Pretty sure she's playing like Town Cog. Pointing stuff out, doing well. I'm not as sure as with Nerasis, but if she is Mafia-aligned, I'll be surprised.
Sevlyna: Randomly popped in to say another person and I are suspicious without any reasoning at all. Welp. Mafia lurker/sheeper, town oddball, or clever 3p?
Skydancer10: I... hmm. Slight scumlean, but not... really. It's super close to neutral, because I appreciate her willingness to help, put in the time, and recognize good ideas, although I do find her playstyle a little weird.
Solcie: Slight scumlean. Disappears a lot, doesn't say much. I'd have to look through her posts more for definite proof, but I remember thinking she's suspicious. Not immediately lynch-able, but definitely worth putting on the back burner.
MorRioghan: Slight scumlean. I don't like how she's so quick to take credit for everything. There's been some other stuff, too, that I've already covered.
Comba: Has to be town because of her roleclaim. If she's Mafia, she'll be lynched as soon as it's proven she doesn't have her role, so she's probably town. Most likely town.
V88: Almost certainly scum. If V88 isn't scum, I don't know what's going on. The fact that he voted for someone he knew was town because everyone else was doing it is honestly evidence enough for me, although there was the whole lurking thing and sheeping and all that.
EmberTheSkywing: No read. Just kind of... there. She's said some helpful stuff, but not a lot. Very, very neutral. I'll watch her a little more.
Nerasis: I might just be falling into whatever Epic Vet Trap he has set up, but I'd be willing to bet that he's town, just from how everything's been going. I'm just not very comfortable with the rising tide of people who want to lynch him- it feels rushed, almost like the Mafia are bussing him to get rid of a valuable town player. I know it's kind of an unpopular opinion, but I'd say he's town.
Cognitive: Pretty sure she's playing like Town Cog. Pointing stuff out, doing well. I'm not as sure as with Nerasis, but if she is Mafia-aligned, I'll be surprised.
Sevlyna: Randomly popped in to say another person and I are suspicious without any reasoning at all. Welp. Mafia lurker/sheeper, town oddball, or clever 3p?
Skydancer10: I... hmm. Slight scumlean, but not... really. It's super close to neutral, because I appreciate her willingness to help, put in the time, and recognize good ideas, although I do find her playstyle a little weird.
Solcie: Slight scumlean. Disappears a lot, doesn't say much. I'd have to look through her posts more for definite proof, but I remember thinking she's suspicious. Not immediately lynch-able, but definitely worth putting on the back burner.
A Quickly Made Readlist (Due to Impending Death) That Is Subject To Spontaneous Change:
MorRioghan: Slight scumlean. I don't like how she's so quick to take credit for everything. There's been some other stuff, too, that I've already covered.
Comba: Has to be town because of her roleclaim. If she's Mafia, she'll be lynched as soon as it's proven she doesn't have her role, so she's probably town. Most likely town.
V88: Almost certainly scum. If V88 isn't scum, I don't know what's going on. The fact that he voted for someone he knew was town because everyone else was doing it is honestly evidence enough for me, although there was the whole lurking thing and sheeping and all that.
EmberTheSkywing: No read. Just kind of... there. She's said some helpful stuff, but not a lot. Very, very neutral. I'll watch her a little more.
Nerasis: I might just be falling into whatever Epic Vet Trap he has set up, but I'd be willing to bet that he's town, just from how everything's been going. I'm just not very comfortable with the rising tide of people who want to lynch him- it feels rushed, almost like the Mafia are bussing him to get rid of a valuable town player. I know it's kind of an unpopular opinion, but I'd say he's town.
Cognitive: Pretty sure she's playing like Town Cog. Pointing stuff out, doing well. I'm not as sure as with Nerasis, but if she is Mafia-aligned, I'll be surprised.
Sevlyna: Randomly popped in to say another person and I are suspicious without any reasoning at all. Welp. Mafia lurker/sheeper, town oddball, or clever 3p?
Skydancer10: I... hmm. Slight scumlean, but not... really. It's super close to neutral, because I appreciate her willingness to help, put in the time, and recognize good ideas, although I do find her playstyle a little weird.
Solcie: Slight scumlean. Disappears a lot, doesn't say much. I'd have to look through her posts more for definite proof, but I remember thinking she's suspicious. Not immediately lynch-able, but definitely worth putting on the back burner.
MorRioghan: Slight scumlean. I don't like how she's so quick to take credit for everything. There's been some other stuff, too, that I've already covered.
Comba: Has to be town because of her roleclaim. If she's Mafia, she'll be lynched as soon as it's proven she doesn't have her role, so she's probably town. Most likely town.
V88: Almost certainly scum. If V88 isn't scum, I don't know what's going on. The fact that he voted for someone he knew was town because everyone else was doing it is honestly evidence enough for me, although there was the whole lurking thing and sheeping and all that.
EmberTheSkywing: No read. Just kind of... there. She's said some helpful stuff, but not a lot. Very, very neutral. I'll watch her a little more.
Nerasis: I might just be falling into whatever Epic Vet Trap he has set up, but I'd be willing to bet that he's town, just from how everything's been going. I'm just not very comfortable with the rising tide of people who want to lynch him- it feels rushed, almost like the Mafia are bussing him to get rid of a valuable town player. I know it's kind of an unpopular opinion, but I'd say he's town.
Cognitive: Pretty sure she's playing like Town Cog. Pointing stuff out, doing well. I'm not as sure as with Nerasis, but if she is Mafia-aligned, I'll be surprised.
Sevlyna: Randomly popped in to say another person and I are suspicious without any reasoning at all. Welp. Mafia lurker/sheeper, town oddball, or clever 3p?
Skydancer10: I... hmm. Slight scumlean, but not... really. It's super close to neutral, because I appreciate her willingness to help, put in the time, and recognize good ideas, although I do find her playstyle a little weird.
Solcie: Slight scumlean. Disappears a lot, doesn't say much. I'd have to look through her posts more for definite proof, but I remember thinking she's suspicious. Not immediately lynch-able, but definitely worth putting on the back burner.
ENTP- True Neutral- she/her- +3 FR time
[quote name="MagykalWagykal" date="2019-04-07 11:51:11" ]
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[quote name="@Comba" date="2019-04-06 14:56:05" ]
[quote name="MagykalWagykal" date="2019-04-05 06:19:48" ]
[quote name="Comba" date="2019-04-05 05:08:04" ]
So here's my way:
Sorry @/MagykalWagykal , but it does require a claim
I RB'd you.
Do you accept or deny this?
[/quote]
I accept it. :) Storm simply said, 'Your action has been noted', and [b]I didn't get to see the results.[/b] So I guess you're conftown now, unless the Mafia has a roleblocker, which, ehhh. I'm pretty sure you're town now, especially with Shimmerwing's death.
[/quote]
[b]OwO what's this? your action gives results? some type of investigator mayhaps?
New question : Do you accept or deny the above observation? :p[/b]
- Final snippers-
[/quote]
-snip-
[B]Why don't you say that a little[i] louder[/i] so all the Mafia players can hear I'm the investigator conventiently in time to kill me?[/b]
Honestly, I'm a little annoyed with this, Comba. The rest is kind of meh, [b]but you're just going to go revealing my role all over the place without my permission or anything?[/b]
'HEY, MAFIA, WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE GAME RIGHT OVER HERE, COME AND GET IT!'
There's a reason why roleclaiming is bad, and that's because the Mafia knows the most important people to target. Protectors can't protect everyone at once.
I guess I'd better do all my scumhunting now, because I'll be dead tomorrow. Splendid.
[/quote]
Um?? Comba didn't reveal your role, you just did. There is more than one possible role that receives results. Comba questioned whether or not you were the investigator (not that that was a good decision, I won't get into that) but you're the one who outed yourself. And very dramatically, I might add.
You could have just as easily ignored or denied the claim (not that that would make it go away, but if the mafia are newer players or weren't paying attention, it could have slipped under the radar) but you made it very obvious that you're (supposedly) the investigator. I don't like that at all.
MagykalWagykal wrote on 2019-04-07 11:51:11:
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I accept it. :) Storm simply said, 'Your action has been noted', and I didn't get to see the results. So I guess you're conftown now, unless the Mafia has a roleblocker, which, ehhh. I'm pretty sure you're town now, especially with Shimmerwing's death.
OwO what's this? your action gives results? some type of investigator mayhaps?
New question : Do you accept or deny the above observation? :p
- Final snippers-
-snip-
Why don't you say that a little louder so all the Mafia players can hear I'm the investigator conventiently in time to kill me?
Honestly, I'm a little annoyed with this, Comba. The rest is kind of meh, but you're just going to go revealing my role all over the place without my permission or anything?
'HEY, MAFIA, WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE GAME RIGHT OVER HERE, COME AND GET IT!'
There's a reason why roleclaiming is bad, and that's because the Mafia knows the most important people to target. Protectors can't protect everyone at once.
I guess I'd better do all my scumhunting now, because I'll be dead tomorrow. Splendid.
@Comba wrote on 2019-04-06 14:56:05:
MagykalWagykal wrote on 2019-04-05 06:19:48:
Comba wrote on 2019-04-05 05:08:04:
So here's my way:
Sorry @/MagykalWagykal , but it does require a claim
I RB'd you.
Do you accept or deny this?
Sorry @/MagykalWagykal , but it does require a claim
I RB'd you.
Do you accept or deny this?
I accept it. :) Storm simply said, 'Your action has been noted', and I didn't get to see the results. So I guess you're conftown now, unless the Mafia has a roleblocker, which, ehhh. I'm pretty sure you're town now, especially with Shimmerwing's death.
New question : Do you accept or deny the above observation? :p
- Final snippers-
-snip-
Why don't you say that a little louder so all the Mafia players can hear I'm the investigator conventiently in time to kill me?
Honestly, I'm a little annoyed with this, Comba. The rest is kind of meh, but you're just going to go revealing my role all over the place without my permission or anything?
'HEY, MAFIA, WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE GAME RIGHT OVER HERE, COME AND GET IT!'
There's a reason why roleclaiming is bad, and that's because the Mafia knows the most important people to target. Protectors can't protect everyone at once.
I guess I'd better do all my scumhunting now, because I'll be dead tomorrow. Splendid.
Um?? Comba didn't reveal your role, you just did. There is more than one possible role that receives results. Comba questioned whether or not you were the investigator (not that that was a good decision, I won't get into that) but you're the one who outed yourself. And very dramatically, I might add.
You could have just as easily ignored or denied the claim (not that that would make it go away, but if the mafia are newer players or weren't paying attention, it could have slipped under the radar) but you made it very obvious that you're (supposedly) the investigator. I don't like that at all.