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TOPIC | [WIP]Subspecies - Revenge
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[b][/b]@Dreamweave [img]http://flightrising.com/image_generators/dragonpic2.php?body=2&wing=59&style=13&gender=0&ages=1&prig=0&secg=2&tert=10&elem=2&tertgene=11&spec=prev.png[/img] [img]http://flightrising.com/image_generators/dragonpic2.php?body=2&wing=59&style=13&gender=1&ages=1&prig=0&secg=2&tert=10&elem=2&tertgene=11&spec=prev.png[/img] Requirements: ~Color~ Primary: White Secondary: Blood through Crimson Tertiary: Midnight through black Ideal: White/Crimson/Obsidian with plague eyes ~Genes~ Primary: Basic, poison, vipera, tiger, giraffe Secondary: Stripes Tertiary: Thylacine (Considering contour and smoke) Breed: Skydancers and Coatls Elements: pretty much any, but the more desirable ones being [b]plague[/b], shadow, fire, light, ice, and somewhat arcane (And I haven't written lore for the others yet though rough ideas are wind=greed because poverty caused the trauma somehow, Nature will be similar to wind, and Water will have something to do with predicting future traumas and being able to prevent them) THIS IS KINDA ROUGH STILL Lore ideas: Something traumatic happened to the dragons, maybe an attack that caused enough stress to bleach their primary (maybe their clan was wiped out by a rival or the beastclans when they were young and only they -and siblings?- survived, they saw everyone being killed --[i]to be mostly determined by their owner[/i]). When they got strong enough they sought revenge(red eye stage) and every time they killed they soaked their wings in the blood of their defeated foes eventually turning the wings permanently red. to look more intimidating or to help blend in with environment they painted their bodies with black oils, ink, and paints until their hide was permanently stained. (Thanks to my friend HeyImHylian for suggesting the blood soaking and the oils to look intimidating) Eye colors and what they mean [b][u]Plague[/u][/b]: these dragons are very affected still, they are angry and violent. These dragons are determined to get revenge for whatever happened to make them like this and will get that revenge at any cost (Backstory to be determined based on individual dragons, like what happened to them and the like) After the dragon has found revenge-- [u][b]Ice[/b][/u]- These dragons feel emotionless and void now, they feel they have no purpose in life after their struggle for revenge took up so much of their life, it was everything to them and now that they have succeeded they don't know what to do. Skydancers' antennae become useless at detecting emotion further plunging them into isolation while warping and eliminating their understanding of feelings such as affection. Skydancers and and coatls alike will start to view any attachments as a weakness and as such usually rarely have offspring, and only to pass on their genes. Their disturbed aloofness means that few dragons can tolerate them and any relationships quickly become strained unless the other dragon is just as unfeeling. These dragons usually develop an analytical and detached view on the lives of others making them great battle strategists since they are not affected by bonds and only look at the numbers and probabilities, though this causes clan tension when they show no care for the casualties of war. [b][u]Arcane[/u][/b]- These dragons got their revenge but it wasn't enough, they are still angry and prone to lashing out at others in fits of rage, they still feel unfulfilled; because of this if they become angry enough (being magical based breeds) they can at times lose control over their magic and have been known to burn down small forests and destroy anything in their way in a blind rage. If they are a coatl breed they transition to being prone to snapping in a record amount of time, even faster than most coatls, and the trigger is often unknown - usually an innocent slip of the tongue or a sight or sound that reminds them of their troubled past. If they are a Skydancer they SHOULD NEVER be put around troubled dragons since their antennae have become warped to pick up any distress, anger, or even simple annoyance, then magnify it to levels way out of proportion, especially if they are feelings reminiscent of their traumatic experience. In this way these dragons are often set off by secondhand feelings or experiences, feeding off other dragon's feelings and becoming irrational and uncontrolled. [b][u]Fire[/u][/b]- These dragons found peace with revenge but still are determined to kill, though no longer at random. They are usually mercenaries that seek jobs helping others who were wronged get justice no matter what, even if it means killing another dragon, stealing, or the like. These unconventional methods will often get these dragons in trouble with others, though no one will ever argue that their methods are ineffective. They are arguably best at obtaining revenge. [b][u]Light[/u][/b]- These dragons have found peace and acceptance, they usually go back to acting like someone typical of their breed. Though they keep their adeptness for killing, most of their clan members will never suspect it as they find little need for battle nowadays. Since they have found their peace these dragons rarely if ever talk about their past and now only look to the light of the future, often they become great counselors for other dragons and their even and untroubled aura is very soothing to those around them. [b][u]Shadow[/u][/b]- These dragons are now reclusive and avoid others because they scare normal dragons. They have dark tendencies and still like to battle, sometimes they get into dark magics such as necromancy, hexes, and curses. At times even mind control. Hatchlings sometimes disappear for no reason in clans that are home to these dragons, and although no one can ever find any evidence of what happened, many suspect these dragons. Sometimes the parents of hatchlings are found dead in the night. Other times there are stories. Stories of seeing grown versions of these missing hatchlings in far away marketplaces; familiar figures in the breaks in crowds or silhouetted in the light of a full moon. Through hushed tones and scribbled words these dragons are accused of practicing their dark magics on the vulnerable and defenseless minds of the missing hatchlings. Often the distrust grows too great for the dragon to simply explain away with sly talks of unfortunate and mischievous hatchlings running away in the dark of night to play in the forest, only to run into trouble and never return. The clan will at this point often rise up and drive these dragons from their lair slandering their name across the lands until no clan dares invite the unfortunate soul to stay with them. Even so hatchlings still disappear. However, a select few dragons who get close to these misunderstood dragons, learn of their story, become dear enough to these scarred mysteries, know the truth. The truth of troubled hatchlings with nowhere to turn, with parents so praised by their clan that no one would question the cohesiveness and happiness of their families. The truth of secret escape plans, the truth of misplaced guilt, the truth of the lies behind the cover stories of these missing hatchlings, the truth of these troubled families. The truth of revenge. [i]Fire and light dragons find peace, both help others but fire does so through battle and light through understanding. Ice and arcane are still troubled, ice feels nothing while arcane can't stop feeling the pain and anger. Like light and fire, Shadow dragons help others, but like ice and arcane they are still somewhat affected and that manifests in their dark magic and reluctance to trust others ~ if dragons turn to blame and accuse them of such dark things based on appearance and without getting to know them, why should they know the truth? (Descriptions are somewhat based on the amount of red in the eye color- can you tell? X3 ) [/i] ------ (Might be removed since I'm adding blood and others to the acceptable colors for the secondary for the main look vvv) In regards to Vishani's post about non-tangible traumas such as sickness or the shade being the trauma, here are some ideas. These dragons will only be plague (maybe ice, rarely if they get to a point past feeling, or arcane?) and will often become too warped because they will rarely be able to obtain closure. Their appearance will reflect this, since they will kill at random their wings will dull to the color of dried blood and many things can happen to their bodies. They will sometimes irrationally apply their paints and oils without care now, once clean stripes will become splotches carelessly applied only to dull their bodies to try and hide the constant reminder of their trauma, and some will even start using the blood of those slain to paint their bodies, sometimes they are applied as war painted stripes or careless splotches, or both. Here are some more examples, please tell me what you think :3 [img]http://flightrising.com/image_generators/dragonpic2.php?body=2&wing=59&style=12&gender=0&ages=1&prig=11&secg=2&tert=10&elem=2&tertgene=11&spec=prev.png[/img] [img]http://flightrising.com/image_generators/dragonpic2.php?body=2&wing=59&style=12&gender=0&ages=1&prig=0&secg=2&tert=10&elem=2&tertgene=11&spec=prev.png[/img] [img]http://flightrising.com/image_generators/dragonpic2.php?body=2&wing=59&style=13&gender=1&ages=1&prig=8&secg=2&tert=10&elem=2&tertgene=11&spec=prev.png[/img] [img]http://flightrising.com/image_generators/dragonpic2.php?body=2&wing=59&style=13&gender=0&ages=1&prig=2&secg=2&tert=10&elem=2&tertgene=11&spec=prev.png[/img] [img]http://flightrising.com/image_generators/dragonpic2.php?body=2&wing=59&style=12&gender=1&ages=1&prig=0&secg=2&tert=10&elem=6&tertgene=11&spec=prev.png[/img] [img]http://flightrising.com/image_generators/dragonpic2.php?body=2&wing=59&style=13&gender=0&ages=1&prig=11&secg=2&tert=10&elem=7&tertgene=11&spec=prev.png[/img] [quote]Intrested: jobutt CrazyassBat Vishani GarasuAlice Zayev [/quote]
@Dreamweave
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Requirements:

~Color~
Primary: White
Secondary: Blood through Crimson
Tertiary: Midnight through black

Ideal: White/Crimson/Obsidian with plague eyes

~Genes~
Primary: Basic, poison, vipera, tiger, giraffe
Secondary: Stripes
Tertiary: Thylacine (Considering contour and smoke)

Breed: Skydancers and Coatls

Elements: pretty much any, but the more desirable ones being plague, shadow, fire, light, ice, and somewhat arcane
(And I haven't written lore for the others yet though rough ideas are wind=greed because poverty caused the trauma somehow, Nature will be similar to wind, and Water will have something to do with predicting future traumas and being able to prevent them)

THIS IS KINDA ROUGH STILL

Lore ideas: Something traumatic happened to the dragons, maybe an attack that caused enough stress to bleach their primary (maybe their clan was wiped out by a rival or the beastclans when they were young and only they -and siblings?- survived, they saw everyone being killed --to be mostly determined by their owner). When they got strong enough they sought revenge(red eye stage) and every time they killed they soaked their wings in the blood of their defeated foes eventually turning the wings permanently red. to look more intimidating or to help blend in with environment they painted their bodies with black oils, ink, and paints until their hide was permanently stained. (Thanks to my friend HeyImHylian for suggesting the blood soaking and the oils to look intimidating)

Eye colors and what they mean
Plague: these dragons are very affected still, they are angry and violent. These dragons are determined to get revenge for whatever happened to make them like this and will get that revenge at any cost (Backstory to be determined based on individual dragons, like what happened to them and the like)

After the dragon has found revenge--

Ice- These dragons feel emotionless and void now, they feel they have no purpose in life after their struggle for revenge took up so much of their life, it was everything to them and now that they have succeeded they don't know what to do. Skydancers' antennae become useless at detecting emotion further plunging them into isolation while warping and eliminating their understanding of feelings such as affection. Skydancers and and coatls alike will start to view any attachments as a weakness and as such usually rarely have offspring, and only to pass on their genes. Their disturbed aloofness means that few dragons can tolerate them and any relationships quickly become strained unless the other dragon is just as unfeeling. These dragons usually develop an analytical and detached view on the lives of others making them great battle strategists since they are not affected by bonds and only look at the numbers and probabilities, though this causes clan tension when they show no care for the casualties of war.

Arcane- These dragons got their revenge but it wasn't enough, they are still angry and prone to lashing out at others in fits of rage, they still feel unfulfilled; because of this if they become angry enough (being magical based breeds) they can at times lose control over their magic and have been known to burn down small forests and destroy anything in their way in a blind rage. If they are a coatl breed they transition to being prone to snapping in a record amount of time, even faster than most coatls, and the trigger is often unknown - usually an innocent slip of the tongue or a sight or sound that reminds them of their troubled past. If they are a Skydancer they SHOULD NEVER be put around troubled dragons since their antennae have become warped to pick up any distress, anger, or even simple annoyance, then magnify it to levels way out of proportion, especially if they are feelings reminiscent of their traumatic experience. In this way these dragons are often set off by secondhand feelings or experiences, feeding off other dragon's feelings and becoming irrational and uncontrolled.

Fire- These dragons found peace with revenge but still are determined to kill, though no longer at random. They are usually mercenaries that seek jobs helping others who were wronged get justice no matter what, even if it means killing another dragon, stealing, or the like. These unconventional methods will often get these dragons in trouble with others, though no one will ever argue that their methods are ineffective. They are arguably best at obtaining revenge.

Light- These dragons have found peace and acceptance, they usually go back to acting like someone typical of their breed. Though they keep their adeptness for killing, most of their clan members will never suspect it as they find little need for battle nowadays. Since they have found their peace these dragons rarely if ever talk about their past and now only look to the light of the future, often they become great counselors for other dragons and their even and untroubled aura is very soothing to those around them.

Shadow- These dragons are now reclusive and avoid others because they scare normal dragons. They have dark tendencies and still like to battle, sometimes they get into dark magics such as necromancy, hexes, and curses. At times even mind control. Hatchlings sometimes disappear for no reason in clans that are home to these dragons, and although no one can ever find any evidence of what happened, many suspect these dragons. Sometimes the parents of hatchlings are found dead in the night. Other times there are stories. Stories of seeing grown versions of these missing hatchlings in far away marketplaces; familiar figures in the breaks in crowds or silhouetted in the light of a full moon. Through hushed tones and scribbled words these dragons are accused of practicing their dark magics on the vulnerable and defenseless minds of the missing hatchlings. Often the distrust grows too great for the dragon to simply explain away with sly talks of unfortunate and mischievous hatchlings running away in the dark of night to play in the forest, only to run into trouble and never return. The clan will at this point often rise up and drive these dragons from their lair slandering their name across the lands until no clan dares invite the unfortunate soul to stay with them. Even so hatchlings still disappear.
However, a select few dragons who get close to these misunderstood dragons, learn of their story, become dear enough to these scarred mysteries, know the truth. The truth of troubled hatchlings with nowhere to turn, with parents so praised by their clan that no one would question the cohesiveness and happiness of their families. The truth of secret escape plans, the truth of misplaced guilt, the truth of the lies behind the cover stories of these missing hatchlings, the truth of these troubled families.
The truth of revenge.


Fire and light dragons find peace, both help others but fire does so through battle and light through understanding. Ice and arcane are still troubled, ice feels nothing while arcane can't stop feeling the pain and anger. Like light and fire, Shadow dragons help others, but like ice and arcane they are still somewhat affected and that manifests in their dark magic and reluctance to trust others ~ if dragons turn to blame and accuse them of such dark things based on appearance and without getting to know them, why should they know the truth? (Descriptions are somewhat based on the amount of red in the eye color- can you tell? X3 )


(Might be removed since I'm adding blood and others to the acceptable colors for the secondary for the main look vvv)
In regards to Vishani's post about non-tangible traumas such as sickness or the shade being the trauma, here are some ideas. These dragons will only be plague (maybe ice, rarely if they get to a point past feeling, or arcane?) and will often become too warped because they will rarely be able to obtain closure. Their appearance will reflect this, since they will kill at random their wings will dull to the color of dried blood and many things can happen to their bodies. They will sometimes irrationally apply their paints and oils without care now, once clean stripes will become splotches carelessly applied only to dull their bodies to try and hide the constant reminder of their trauma, and some will even start using the blood of those slain to paint their bodies, sometimes they are applied as war painted stripes or careless splotches, or both.


Here are some more examples, please tell me what you think :3
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jobutt
CrazyassBat
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GarasuAlice
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@Dreamweave I really love them! Red and black are my favorite colors so... XD I'd definitely buy one, if I have enough treasure ^^'
@Dreamweave I really love them! Red and black are my favorite colors so... XD I'd definitely buy one, if I have enough treasure ^^'
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@dreamweave the main difference between pretty dragon designs and subspecies is popularity and lore. Slap some lore on these pretties and spread the word and you might have somethin going for you here. Theyre rad, i like em. If they fit in with your flights lore, id try to get your flight on board, it seems easier to get support within flights (my fellow arcanites have been very helpful with my crystal star coatl subspecies project)
@dreamweave the main difference between pretty dragon designs and subspecies is popularity and lore. Slap some lore on these pretties and spread the word and you might have somethin going for you here. Theyre rad, i like em. If they fit in with your flights lore, id try to get your flight on board, it seems easier to get support within flights (my fellow arcanites have been very helpful with my crystal star coatl subspecies project)
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they look real nice!!! subspecies usually have some lore goin for em, do you have any ideas? I'd be interested either way :0!

i feel u on the work to get it done tho haha, currently trying to breed my own SS myself and its poopy lmao
they look real nice!!! subspecies usually have some lore goin for em, do you have any ideas? I'd be interested either way :0!

i feel u on the work to get it done tho haha, currently trying to breed my own SS myself and its poopy lmao
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@Aevios (tagged this person wrong at first sorry if you were randomly pinged with a similar name) @jobutt If you two were interested I came up with this [img]http://flightrising.com/image_generators/dragonpic2.php?body=10&wing=60&style=13&gender=0&ages=1&prig=9&secg=2&tert=59&elem=2&tertgene=11&spec=prev.png[/img] [img]http://flightrising.com/image_generators/dragonpic2.php?body=10&wing=60&style=13&gender=1&ages=1&prig=9&secg=2&tert=10&elem=2&tertgene=6&spec=prev.png[/img] [img]http://flightrising.com/image_generators/dragonpic2.php?body=10&wing=60&style=12&gender=0&ages=1&prig=9&secg=2&tert=10&elem=2&tertgene=11&spec=prev.png[/img] [img]http://flightrising.com/image_generators/dragonpic2.php?body=59&wing=60&style=12&gender=1&ages=1&prig=9&secg=2&tert=10&elem=2&tertgene=11&spec=prev.png[/img] [spoiler] I dunno how I feel about or if I'm comfortable with how dark some of this is lol [/spoiler]
@Aevios (tagged this person wrong at first sorry if you were randomly pinged with a similar name)
@jobutt If you two were interested I came up with this



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I dunno how I feel about or if I'm comfortable with how dark some of this is lol
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@Dreamweave heyy that's p good! Love good ol revenge killers. I would def like to be put on the pinglist C:
@Dreamweave heyy that's p good! Love good ol revenge killers. I would def like to be put on the pinglist C:
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Better names for this subspecies would also be appreciated and considered X3 still not too set on the name
Better names for this subspecies would also be appreciated and considered X3 still not too set on the name
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@Dreamweave

Well, I'm on board (I love ship puns) with the idea, partially because of the colors, and partially because of the lore.

Considering both of these breeds are magic users, however, maybe for the Arcane ones, they're more likely to burst into a magical fit of anger, often leaving things burning or exploding? They seem very volatile, and probably have a huge hunger to learn all that they can, to prevent feeling so very helpless and weak after the traumatic experience.

Although, what about dragons who can't go after tangible things? Like, their flight got wiped out by the Shade, or sickness took everyone in their home and had to be forcefully removed from the premises. Would they just, go after anything and everything that might be related to the Shade / sickness, and eventually become something like the guardians' Search; a hunt to eradicate everything that might of started the traumatic incident?

And Skydancers, due to their antennae + feels, would they cut off the antennae (if they become something similar to Ice)? Just to stop feeling altogether.

Could also be "bad luck" to hatch a dragon (regardless of breed, perhaps) that looks like this, something similar to how coatls view dully-colored coatls. Potentially means that the death of the clan is imminent, which would mean that this could turn a water (due to oracle properties) clan inside out, trying to discern where this apparent wipeout would come from. Or, at least, increase water profits by a good margin to act as oracles for other clans when they hatch a dragon that looks like this.

Ice also reminds me of Artemis Entreri from Forgotten Realms by R.A. Salvatore -- cold hearted killer, physical peak of perfection, and views personal relationships + everything regarding feels as a weakness to be exploited. I APPROVE.


@Dreamweave

Well, I'm on board (I love ship puns) with the idea, partially because of the colors, and partially because of the lore.

Considering both of these breeds are magic users, however, maybe for the Arcane ones, they're more likely to burst into a magical fit of anger, often leaving things burning or exploding? They seem very volatile, and probably have a huge hunger to learn all that they can, to prevent feeling so very helpless and weak after the traumatic experience.

Although, what about dragons who can't go after tangible things? Like, their flight got wiped out by the Shade, or sickness took everyone in their home and had to be forcefully removed from the premises. Would they just, go after anything and everything that might be related to the Shade / sickness, and eventually become something like the guardians' Search; a hunt to eradicate everything that might of started the traumatic incident?

And Skydancers, due to their antennae + feels, would they cut off the antennae (if they become something similar to Ice)? Just to stop feeling altogether.

Could also be "bad luck" to hatch a dragon (regardless of breed, perhaps) that looks like this, something similar to how coatls view dully-colored coatls. Potentially means that the death of the clan is imminent, which would mean that this could turn a water (due to oracle properties) clan inside out, trying to discern where this apparent wipeout would come from. Or, at least, increase water profits by a good margin to act as oracles for other clans when they hatch a dragon that looks like this.

Ice also reminds me of Artemis Entreri from Forgotten Realms by R.A. Salvatore -- cold hearted killer, physical peak of perfection, and views personal relationships + everything regarding feels as a weakness to be exploited. I APPROVE.


I don't know what I'm doing,
I'm just-day-to-day,
But here goes nothing,
I'm doing it, doing it!

Gotta get my s**t together,
Because I'm on my way either way!
@Vishani

Updated the lore in general and made changes based on some of your questions~!
@Vishani

Updated the lore in general and made changes based on some of your questions~!
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@Dreamweave

I'm definitely a fan! I love how well white vipera/toxin works with black thylacine.
@Dreamweave

I'm definitely a fan! I love how well white vipera/toxin works with black thylacine.
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