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[center] [img]http://i.imgur.com/C0iWO5c.png[/img] [/center] Welcome to the Old Dragon Collector's Association. This thread is a hub for people who are interested in all aspects of owning elderly dragons. We appreciate just how special they are as a fascinating, unique, and important part of Flight Rising history. Come share your favorite old dragons, your projects, and their stories with us! [center]***NEW TRADES PINGLIST*** [url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MVep00Xp5BuaXRdcTIGooJflgI41Y-xqd7DAhiMcISA/edit?usp=sharing][img]http://i.imgur.com/BSTkBYT.png[/img][/url] ***NEW TRADES PINGLIST*** [b][size=5][color=blue]ODCA Thread Contents[/color] [u][color=orange]Post 1[/u][/color] Link to pinglist document Old Dragon Spotlight [u][color=orange]Post 2[/u][/color] Market Guide - all about selling oldies Other Links and Resources - guides, rescue shelters, etc. [u][color=orange]Post 3[/u][/color] Events and Recreation- apparel contests, profile badges, etc. [/B][/size] [center][url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=60141] [img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/350/602/60141_350.png[/img] [/url] [b]Keir #60141 Born June 24, 2013[/b][/center] [center][b]Owner: [/b] [user=phoeniixfire][/center] [center][i]The spotlight dragon will be changed, uh... whenever I'm active and I remember!! If you're active on the thread, I might just choose an oldie from your lair to showcase! [/center]
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Welcome to the Old Dragon Collector's Association. This thread is a hub for people who are interested in all aspects of owning elderly dragons. We appreciate just how special they are as a fascinating, unique, and important part of Flight Rising history. Come share your favorite old dragons, your projects, and their stories with us!


***NEW TRADES PINGLIST***
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***NEW TRADES PINGLIST***




ODCA Thread Contents

Post 1
Link to pinglist document
Old Dragon Spotlight

Post 2
Market Guide - all about selling oldies
Other Links and Resources - guides, rescue shelters, etc.

Post 3
Events and Recreation- apparel contests, profile badges, etc.








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Keir #60141
Born June 24, 2013


Owner:


The spotlight dragon will be changed, uh... whenever I'm active and I remember!! If you're active on the thread, I might just choose an oldie from your lair to showcase!

Used to be cooneyms! Username changed 9/10/18
[center][img]http://i.imgur.com/yn7Kid0.png[/img][/center] [right][size=1]market guide written by cooneyms last updated May 15, 2018[/size][/right] [i]Welcome! This guide is meant to be used as an informational resource for people who are interested in buying or selling old dragons. It is constantly being updated.[/i] [size=5][u]I. The Appeal of Old Dragons[/u][/size] Old dragon collecting has become a popular pastime for many FR players for all sorts of reasons. The appeal is sometimes sentimental, where a player wishes to protect dragons who have been active on the site for a very long time from being exalted. For others, a wise elder is useful in story clans with developing lore or roleplay purpose. Then of course, there is the prestige and pride many collectors seek in owning something that has become quite valuable as a relic of Flight Rising's early days. Oldies are set apart from other dragons because of their low ID#s. The ID# is one of the very few things that cannot be changed about a dragon (generation and past breeding being the others), so collectors look to it as something that makes their dragon unique. Low ID#s are limited edition and their supply is not renewable. Exalted oldies can not be replaced and dragons with low ID#s will continue to grow in value over time. One of the first questions that many people have before trying to sell their aged dragons is, "[b]so how old is old enough?[/b]" [indent]Most buyers prefer dragons with [b]6 digit ID#s and lower[/b], but there is a small market for dragons with ID#s in the low end of 7 digits as well. [/indent] [size=5][u]II. Value and Worth[/u][/size] There are many things that contribute to an old dragon's value. Note that these factors are not set in stone and that more may be uncovered (or become irrelevant) at any time. Factors that might [b]raise a dragon's value[/b]: [LIST] [*]Low Generation (1st and sometimes 2nd) [*]Unbred (clean slate offspring list) [*]If bred, all offspring are named (offspring list is neat and tidy) [*]Interesting ID# (repeating numbers, multiple 0s, etc.) [*]Trending colors [*]Bio or art in its Info box (a charming detail for many collectors) [*]If the dragon is an Imperial (especially low generation)[/LIST] Factors that might [b]decrease a dragon's value[/b]: [LIST] [*]Exalted offspring left unnamed [*]Exalted offspring with noticeably undesirable names (ex: "Exalted" or "UGLY") [*]In some limited cases, being bred at all[/LIST] All that being said, it's also worth noting that there are some factors that are potentially neutral and may not lower an oldie's value that much if they're undesirable. These factors are the dragon's [b]colors or genes[/b]. [indent]While ugly colors on an all-Basic starter dragon might be fodder in any other market, it's common for a dragon with a low ID# to become someone's project. When a collector buys an old dragon, especially a very expensive one, it is expected that any further investment for Scrolls will be well worth the initial expense. The same goes for dragons that have been scattered and gened a previous owner. Many people will purchase a dragon and scatter/regene it immediately, so paying for previous genes is something that few buyers are willing to do in today's market. [/indent] [size=5][u]III. Pricing and Selling An Oldie[/u][/size] Unfortunately there isn't a cookie-cutter standard for pricing oldies as their value depends on the individual dragon. Refer to the section above to figure out what's desirable or undesirable about an old dragon. The first thing to know about the old dragon market is that [b]it moves fast.[/b] Prices have been on the upward since the creation of the ODCA in August 2014. If you are ever in doubt about the worth of a dragon you're trying to sell, it's usually a solid decision to set up a thread in the Sales forum, use the relevant pinglist, and do an interest check. An auction is often the answer. In the next section, you will find a link to a how-to guide about auctions. [b]For examples of actual sales and auctions check out the [b]Community Sales History[/b] tab of the [url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MVep00Xp5BuaXRdcTIGooJflgI41Y-xqd7DAhiMcISA/edit?usp=sharing]ODCA pinglist document[/url].[/b] There you can find a record of old dragon sales. Compare dates, prices, auction styles, and the features of individual dragons to gain a better understanding of the market and how values have fluctuated! The Community Sales History might give you a good starting point on finding a SB for your auction or tell you what dragons like yours have sold for in the past. [b]In auctions for old dragons, it's sometimes a good idea to NOT have an Auto-Buy unless you have a specific deal in mind. [/b]Depending on the competition, an AB that's too low can end an auction before you've gotten what the dragon is worth. If you're unsure about an AB amount, it's best not to limit the sale. While it's ideal to imagine that the bidding will keep climbing, there are times, however uncommon, when perfectly good oldies sell for [b]under typical market price[/b] when put to auction. When this happens, it is usually because of competition. If there are a large number of auctions happening at the same time, interested buyers have to pick and choose which one(s) they can afford to continue bidding on. This can translate into less bids per individual auction. Sometimes this competition can occur from one person; for example, if a single seller is auctioning multiple dragons at the same time. In cases like this, the seller is creating their own competition and the bids placed on their dragons are lower overall. Some dragons may even become overlooked completely if it is being auctioned next to a more valuable dragon. [b]It may be tempting to take care of all sales at once, but it is far more profitable to auction dragons one at a time. [/b] [size=5][u]IV. Other Useful Resources[/u][/size] Looking to trade oldies? Check out the [b][url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/drt/1504234]Low ID# Trading Hub[/url]![/b] [b][url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gde/1330237/1]How To: Dragon Auctions[/url][/b] - A guide to hosting auctions on the Dragon Sales forum. This guide covers how to set up an auction, definitions of common auction terminology, and proper auction etiquette. Written by FR user [url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?p=lair&tab=userpage&id=35405]Confectionary[/url]. To learn more about how to use pinglists, check out [b][url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gde/1484992]Pinglist Etiquette and Usage Guide: How to Ping Lots of People Without Making Anyone Mad[/url][/b], written by [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gde/1484992]cooneyms[/url]. The guide covers what to do and what not to do when pinging a large amount of people to a sales thread. If the oldie you're hoping to sell is also a Gen 1, don't forget to ping the [b][url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/drs/2246598/1]Gen 1 Hoarders[/url][/b] too! Someone there might be interested in bidding on your dragon as well. The link will take you to their thread in the Dragon Share forum and the pinglists are linked in the 4th post. [b][url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/1339126/1]The 3-Digit Extinction[/url][/b] - A thread set up by [url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?p=lair&tab=userpage&id=10438]Cutiepaws[/url] dedicated to researching the population of dragons with 3 digit ID#s. [center][url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/baz/2172853/1][img]http://orig07.deviantart.net/246d/f/2017/115/b/0/returu_by_pumpkinsnuffle-db72253.png[/img][/url][/center] The value of old dragons is well established at this point and it's rare that oldies with 6 digit ID#s or less get exalted when they are no longer wanted. But this isn't the case for aged dragons with 7 digit numbers. While they aren't highly valuable from a sales perspective, they're still a neat slice of site history. Don't they deserve some love too? 7th Haven is a rescue thread dedicated to preserving the under-appreciated tier of oldies with 7 digit ID#s. [center][font=courier new][size=6][url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/drs/2528809#post_2528809]The Scatterscroll Addicts' Anonymous[/url][/size][/font] [font=times new roman][i]We're All Crazy Here.[/i][/font][/center] [size=5][u]V. Fun Facts![/u][/size] Due to the site system downtime that occurred from August 5 - August 10, 2013, there are no dragons born during those dates. [indent]The last dragon born on 8/5/13 before downtime is #317889. The next unexalted dragon (#317904, only 5 away) was born on 8/11/13.[/indent]
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market guide written by cooneyms
last updated May 15, 2018



Welcome! This guide is meant to be used as an informational resource for people who are interested in buying or selling old dragons. It is constantly being updated.




I. The Appeal of Old Dragons

Old dragon collecting has become a popular pastime for many FR players for all sorts of reasons. The appeal is sometimes sentimental, where a player wishes to protect dragons who have been active on the site for a very long time from being exalted. For others, a wise elder is useful in story clans with developing lore or roleplay purpose. Then of course, there is the prestige and pride many collectors seek in owning something that has become quite valuable as a relic of Flight Rising's early days.

Oldies are set apart from other dragons because of their low ID#s. The ID# is one of the very few things that cannot be changed about a dragon (generation and past breeding being the others), so collectors look to it as something that makes their dragon unique. Low ID#s are limited edition and their supply is not renewable. Exalted oldies can not be replaced and dragons with low ID#s will continue to grow in value over time.

One of the first questions that many people have before trying to sell their aged dragons is, "so how old is old enough?"

Most buyers prefer dragons with 6 digit ID#s and lower, but there is a small market for dragons with ID#s in the low end of 7 digits as well.




II. Value and Worth

There are many things that contribute to an old dragon's value. Note that these factors are not set in stone and that more may be uncovered (or become irrelevant) at any time.


Factors that might raise a dragon's value:
  • Low Generation (1st and sometimes 2nd)
  • Unbred (clean slate offspring list)
  • If bred, all offspring are named (offspring list is neat and tidy)
  • Interesting ID# (repeating numbers, multiple 0s, etc.)
  • Trending colors
  • Bio or art in its Info box (a charming detail for many collectors)
  • If the dragon is an Imperial (especially low generation)


Factors that might decrease a dragon's value:
  • Exalted offspring left unnamed
  • Exalted offspring with noticeably undesirable names (ex: "Exalted" or "UGLY")
  • In some limited cases, being bred at all


All that being said, it's also worth noting that there are some factors that are potentially neutral and may not lower an oldie's value that much if they're undesirable. These factors are the dragon's colors or genes.

While ugly colors on an all-Basic starter dragon might be fodder in any other market, it's common for a dragon with a low ID# to become someone's project. When a collector buys an old dragon, especially a very expensive one, it is expected that any further investment for Scrolls will be well worth the initial expense. The same goes for dragons that have been scattered and gened a previous owner. Many people will purchase a dragon and scatter/regene it immediately, so paying for previous genes is something that few buyers are willing to do in today's market.




III. Pricing and Selling An Oldie

Unfortunately there isn't a cookie-cutter standard for pricing oldies as their value depends on the individual dragon. Refer to the section above to figure out what's desirable or undesirable about an old dragon.

The first thing to know about the old dragon market is that it moves fast. Prices have been on the upward since the creation of the ODCA in August 2014. If you are ever in doubt about the worth of a dragon you're trying to sell, it's usually a solid decision to set up a thread in the Sales forum, use the relevant pinglist, and do an interest check. An auction is often the answer. In the next section, you will find a link to a how-to guide about auctions.

For examples of actual sales and auctions check out the Community Sales History tab of the ODCA pinglist document. There you can find a record of old dragon sales. Compare dates, prices, auction styles, and the features of individual dragons to gain a better understanding of the market and how values have fluctuated!

The Community Sales History might give you a good starting point on finding a SB for your auction or tell you what dragons like yours have sold for in the past. In auctions for old dragons, it's sometimes a good idea to NOT have an Auto-Buy unless you have a specific deal in mind. Depending on the competition, an AB that's too low can end an auction before you've gotten what the dragon is worth. If you're unsure about an AB amount, it's best not to limit the sale.

While it's ideal to imagine that the bidding will keep climbing, there are times, however uncommon, when perfectly good oldies sell for under typical market price when put to auction. When this happens, it is usually because of competition. If there are a large number of auctions happening at the same time, interested buyers have to pick and choose which one(s) they can afford to continue bidding on. This can translate into less bids per individual auction.

Sometimes this competition can occur from one person; for example, if a single seller is auctioning multiple dragons at the same time. In cases like this, the seller is creating their own competition and the bids placed on their dragons are lower overall. Some dragons may even become overlooked completely if it is being auctioned next to a more valuable dragon. It may be tempting to take care of all sales at once, but it is far more profitable to auction dragons one at a time.




IV. Other Useful Resources

Looking to trade oldies? Check out the Low ID# Trading Hub!

How To: Dragon Auctions - A guide to hosting auctions on the Dragon Sales forum. This guide covers how to set up an auction, definitions of common auction terminology, and proper auction etiquette. Written by FR user Confectionary.

To learn more about how to use pinglists, check out Pinglist Etiquette and Usage Guide: How to Ping Lots of People Without Making Anyone Mad, written by cooneyms. The guide covers what to do and what not to do when pinging a large amount of people to a sales thread.

If the oldie you're hoping to sell is also a Gen 1, don't forget to ping the Gen 1 Hoarders too! Someone there might be interested in bidding on your dragon as well. The link will take you to their thread in the Dragon Share forum and the pinglists are linked in the 4th post.

The 3-Digit Extinction - A thread set up by Cutiepaws dedicated to researching the population of dragons with 3 digit ID#s.


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The value of old dragons is well established at this point and it's rare that oldies with 6 digit ID#s or less get exalted when they are no longer wanted. But this isn't the case for aged dragons with 7 digit numbers. While they aren't highly valuable from a sales perspective, they're still a neat slice of site history. Don't they deserve some love too? 7th Haven is a rescue thread dedicated to preserving the under-appreciated tier of oldies with 7 digit ID#s.


The Scatterscroll Addicts' Anonymous We're All Crazy Here.




V. Fun Facts!

Due to the site system downtime that occurred from August 5 - August 10, 2013, there are no dragons born during those dates.

The last dragon born on 8/5/13 before downtime is #317889. The next unexalted dragon (#317904, only 5 away) was born on 8/11/13.
Used to be cooneyms! Username changed 9/10/18
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August 7-9: ODCA Anniversary Event


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Ongoing: Old Dragon Fashion Shows!


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Monthly apparel contests happen the week after each FR holiday! Only dragons that are 1 year old and older are eligible to enter and the theme is the same as the recent holiday's element (more themes to come). Anyone with eligible dragons can enter, not just players involved with the ODCA! The judges score each entry on various criteria such as apparel layering, adherence to theme, uniqueness, and creativity. Roleplay lovers welcome! Prizes include old dragons, apparel, gene and breed change scrolls, and familiars.



Apparel Contest Judges Roster:
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Stormflight
benalene
botanyblack
Lexreon


Interested in helping out with contests by being a judge?
Want to donate items or dragons to the prize pool?
PM Stormflight to inquire!





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@cooneyms
This is awesome! Definitely put me on the ping list!
@cooneyms
This is awesome! Definitely put me on the ping list!
ACCENT SHOP 9Y3Cg0F.gif Be excellent to each other.
I wanna be on the buyers list. Especially for old Gen 1s! :)
I wanna be on the buyers list. Especially for old Gen 1s! :)
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@cooneyms

YES, totally put me on the ping list! So my old dragons wanted thread is here and my selling thread here, but is there any particular format you wanted me to use or anything?

Also pinging @Fanguish @Rogue @Rothkind @Talonflame @Arintol @Pyon @Fairytale @Warwick @Esinololly @Pesticide @Mallicat just in case you guys wanna be on a pinglist, too? (And sorry if you don't like people pinging you! It won't happen again.)
@cooneyms

YES, totally put me on the ping list! So my old dragons wanted thread is here and my selling thread here, but is there any particular format you wanted me to use or anything?

Also pinging @Fanguish @Rogue @Rothkind @Talonflame @Arintol @Pyon @Fairytale @Warwick @Esinololly @Pesticide @Mallicat just in case you guys wanna be on a pinglist, too? (And sorry if you don't like people pinging you! It won't happen again.)
@Teal @Mandee @benalene
Awesome, you're added!
Feel free to ping any other collectors or sellers you know so we can get their thread links on the resource :D
@Teal @Mandee @benalene
Awesome, you're added!
Feel free to ping any other collectors or sellers you know so we can get their thread links on the resource :D
Used to be cooneyms! Username changed 9/10/18
@Stormflight
Thanks a bunch! :D
@Cooneyms
I'll be added please :)
@Stormflight
Thanks a bunch! :D
@Cooneyms
I'll be added please :)
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@cooneyms

Totally interested in being on the list! I'm after year olds born in June that are unbred and g1/2~
@cooneyms

Totally interested in being on the list! I'm after year olds born in June that are unbred and g1/2~
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@Stormflight
Nope, you're good! I added you to both the buyers and seller list!
@Stormflight
Nope, you're good! I added you to both the buyers and seller list!
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